Cav only like 10 minutes off Pantani I think not bad not bad
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Landa is a help mentally as well as physically ...or so they said
He probably rides in the wind on windy days, will give a bike if necessary and could ride on the front if required
Not landas problem he cant keep up with top 3 ,,he tried to bridge today but couldnt ...so what you gonna do ?
He probably rides in the wind on windy days, will give a bike if necessary and could ride on the front if required
Not landas problem he cant keep up with top 3 ,,he tried to bridge today but couldnt ...so what you gonna do ?
Remco followed and dropped Landa immediately, Landa couldn't keep up. At that point Remco just decided to set his own tempo, as did Landa. There hasn't really been any need for him.
Ok, let's do this exercise. Let's imagine that a crash had taken Jonas and Pogacar down. Remco would have been leading the race by more than 5 minutes. In the process would have broken the same records that Pogacar is breaking. The question is wouldn't everyone be thinking that He was better than Vingo and Pogacar together?
LOL.
LOL.
You don't seem to understand. When his pace over 10km of climbing is only 1m slower than his "leader" then surely he could have dug deeper intead of riding his own pace, in order to pace Evenepoel for a few km. But after that he would blow up obviously. Hence, he is not riding as a domestique, he is riding for his own GC.
I don't necessarily have an issue with it, but they shouldn't try to convince us that he is Evenepoel 's helper when he clearly isn't. He doesn't shelter him (rides behind), he gets dropped and rides his own pace, and even in downhill he isn't able to help out, while Evenepoel is far from a top descender.
I would like to know Cavs time.
It doesn't really work like that, though. Landa was clearly at his limit, if he had ridden in front of Remco at a higher pace than what Remco was already doing it would have lasted like, a minute, for basically no gain. Landa would've blown up just trying to keep up with Remco trying to follow Vingegaard, lol.
Think he started the climb 36-37 minutes or so behind, ended up at 51.30
If he had Landa to set the tempo for the same distance as Vingegaard did for Pogacar, he could be closer to Vingegaard and not as exhausted. Even at 6-7-8% steepness and 30 km/h riding, drag plays a role.
All this talk about numbers and records.....what is evident is that so many riders are better now than they were 8/10 years ago
Even Landa today beat Contadors time from 2007 when Contador was a young buck and yet couldnt beat Contador when he raced him
So much has happened to improve performance but mostly nutrition and the ability to ingest and use carbs
Historical comparisons tell us nothing except maybe to fuel the cries of those that want to always call doping
However these improvement will level off as huma psychology can only benefit so much...well until the next new thing
BTW : How disheartening to improve so much and still not be able to make a mark on the race result
Even Landa today beat Contadors time from 2007 when Contador was a young buck and yet couldnt beat Contador when he raced him
So much has happened to improve performance but mostly nutrition and the ability to ingest and use carbs
Historical comparisons tell us nothing except maybe to fuel the cries of those that want to always call doping
However these improvement will level off as huma psychology can only benefit so much...well until the next new thing
BTW : How disheartening to improve so much and still not be able to make a mark on the race result
I am only complaining about Gee because I bet $10 on a website that doubled my bet for signing up!! So really lost $10!!
I watch these often!!
Remco would have lost significant time if that had happened, because Landa is not as good as Remco. He would have been ~90s behind Pog, and then had 5km to do on his own, and ended up more or less at the same point.
Besides, there's still the issue of how does Landa keep up with Remco's first acceleration? He would've gone way into the red and blown up. If Remco wanted assistance, he'd have slowed down, not continued at a pace that was impossible for Landa to keep up with. This is a storm in a teacup
Yet it does work like that. Look at how Benoot, Jorgenson, etc went above their limit today and were able to drop better climbers than them. They are able to do that for more than 1 minute. Again, when Landa only loses 1m over 10k of climbing, he should have been able to pace Evenepoel quite a bit, but it would come at the expense of his own GC.
Well yes the Remco fan base would have him winning 6 Tours for sure ...they do get carried away...but most people recognise Pog/Vinge are on a different level when it comes to climbing
Jorgenson didn't drop anyone that unexpected lol, if Landa had to go at the pace Remco wanted to set it would've killed him.
Jorgenson dropped Almeida, Ciccone, Buitrago, Gall...
And no, again, when Landa's pace over 10k is only 1m slower, then he definitely could have been of help in case he went over his limit instead of pacing himself for his own GC.
What does this have to do with anything? I am discussing the use of Landa for Evenepoel, which so far has been zilch.
Well he cant pace someone who has gone off out in front of him...now can he ?
If Remco had not tried to go after the big 2 then maybe Landa could have gone to the front and paced him for awhile
So I repeat what you gonna do? if Remco jumps off and then doesnt wait and you cant catch him
landa I am sure would pace and bury himself but isnt given the chance
And btw you dotn know how Landa helps
Visma Jorgenson is not a worse climber than the names you mentioned.
But again, we get to the same point – how can Landa even catch up with Remco once Vingegaard attacks, without blowing up? I'm sure Landa could have paced him had they stayed together, but once Remco was 15-20s up the road very quickly, that option was out the window.
It's not over yet. Vingo"s lungs...Tadej's giro legs...mechanicals? Come on Remco..do it for Belgium...do it for cycling...do it for my friends on this CN board...do it for me...do it to defeat the [[deleted: clinic]]...do it for the sake of all that is holy and glorious...Go Remco Go!!!
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Look at the Remco Evenepol is the next Eddy Merckx thread...plenty of it in there that is too boring to read again
Lots of posts about Remco was going to beat everyone for a few years there
The name of the thread alone says it all
If Pog and Vinge was not in this race the usual crew would have ear marked to win everything and beat everyone in the future
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