Tour de France Tour de France 2024, Stage 15 14/7 Loudenvielle-Plateau de Beille 197.7k

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Despite clearly being far from his best in this Tour, I still expected more from him yesterday. I hope for his sake that the heavy race schedule for the rest of the season won't stop him from getting back to his best next year.

I'm afraid that ship has sailed.

Jorgenson was the guy that took 3 minutes out of the break on one climb today, accelerated and left everyone behind except his guy Jonas and Tadej. He's the guy that could ride across to Tadej on the gravel...realize his Patron is back in the dust and retrieve him....then ride back up to Pogacar while everyone else was also dropped. He also won a stage race and placed 2nd in another by seconds this year after winning a semi-classic. Seems like you could do something with a guy like that.

You don't say. Taking 3 minutes off a break that has attacked at the start of the hardest stage and attacking each other with no cooperation... that must never have happened before. And being a good domestique on a gravel stage... I'm also waiting for Van Aert to win the Tour.

Another year with team support and he is #2, a recovered Jonas #3, Primoz #4 and Remco still working hard but not built for GTs.

Oh. ok... That seems like an extremely reasonable non-delusional take. I would get an early bet before the bookies catch on.
As for not being built for GT's (likely TDF podium, Vuelta win, missed a Giro win/podium due to covid). Please post a list of 1m90+ guys (like Jorgenson) winning a GT. Then tell me again how much better he is built for GT's than Evenepoel.

 

[RedheadDane]

There was also pretty good Tennis and Golf if one are into that.

And don't forget the finale of the (women's) Giro.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

And don't forget the finale of the (women's) Giro.

Duh, my apologies, you're correct!

 

[BigCoward]

Rather superb day yesterday for sports fans. Plateau de Beille stage in the AM, followed by the European Cup final, followed by Copa America final. Hard to beat that.

And that weapon Djokovic got absolutely handled at Wimbledon.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

...I imagine just getting a good night sleep does wonders for a lot of riders. If you look at those reviews by Cort you can see that there is a huge gap between teams. UAE, Ineos, Bora have their own sleeping arrangements with specialised mattresses, air purifiers...you name it. Money is no obstacle for them, while teams like Uno-X have to sleep in bunker like conditions peeing in bottles during the night.

I don't believe that this is correct. I read not that many years ago that ASO books hotels, and then all teams have to go where they are sent, and the teams all have a similar mix of different grades of hotel: I believe that is still the case. Yes, some teams might bring items with them, and I guess not all 2* hotels are identical and one team might have been particularly unlucky one night, but the accommodation is not a matter of teams' budget.

 

[Oldermanish]

I'm afraid that ship has sailed.


You don't say. Taking 3 minutes off a break that has attacked at the start of the hardest stage and attacking each other with no cooperation... that must never have happened before. And being a good domestique on a gravel stage... I'm also waiting for Van Aert to win the Tour.


Oh. ok... That seems like an extremely reasonable non-delusional take. I would get an early bet before the bookies catch on.
As for not being built for GT's (likely TDF podium, Vuelta win, missed a Giro win/podium due to covid). Please post a list of 1m90+ guys (like Jorgenson) winning a GT. Then tell me again how much better he is built for GT's than Evenepoel.

Before you poopoo the effort to pace Jonas you forgot to consider Remco couldn't get up to move from that point on. MJ's pacing setup the eclipse of "Pantani's record..." which is equally dependent on conditions out of his control. But go ahead; suggest it amounts to nothing.

As for tall guys winning a GT: he weighs about the same as Tadej and Primoz. That's an important metric you may ignore unless you consider some other Tour winners.
All of the Sky/Ineos GT Brits were above 6' and weighed more. Then there is Indurain, Bjarne Riis (Senor 60 was also skinny as sh*t)...etc. Height can mean leverage if a rider is not over heavy.

I'm not the one obsessing about Remco's weight or talking about that being his key to winning a Tour or GT. He's physically built more like the Tashkent Terror, Abdoujaporav than Jonas. Unless he has bones removed he is at his healthy, natural stature. He's a great racer.

 

[Oldermanish]

I am not sure in which thread it was (will try to find it) but it included map of climb with information how much time was gained in each section of the climb. Most of the advantage was gained in last 5km after Pog's attack.

Note I posted the "record" in quotes because it is situationally irrelevant. Unless it's a full on TT those ascents occur in such varying conditions to make them pointless. I'll compare the relevancy of climbing records in a race to the miniscule body weight differences of the rider that rode those climbs.
The point was that the Visma rider rode everyone into submission and that's an impressive effort. He's capable of more, for sure.

 

[kingjr]

Before you poopoo the effort to pace Jonas you forgot to consider Remco couldn't get up to move from that point on. MJ's pacing setup the eclipse of "Pantani's record..." which is equally dependent on conditions out of his control. But go ahead; suggest it amounts to nothing.

As for tall guys winning a GT: he weighs about the same as Tadej and Primoz. That's an important metric you may ignore unless you consider some other Tour winners.
All of the Sky/Ineos GT Brits were above 6' and weighed more. Then there is Indurain, Bjarne Riis (Senor 60 was also skinny as sh*t)...etc. Height can mean leverage if a rider is not over heavy.

I'm not the one obsessing about Remco's weight or talking about that being his key to winning a Tour or GT. He's physically built more like the Tashkent Terror, Abdoujaporav than Jonas. Unless he has bones removed he is at his healthy, natural stature. He's a great racer.

Can you back that up? And no, please don't use images from Google, I'm talking about physiological specifics.

 

[ManicJack]

Can you back that up? And no, please don't use images from Google, I'm talking about physiological specifics.

Abdoujaporav weighed at least 20 lbs more than Remco

 

[Oldermanish]

Can you back that up? And no, please don't use images from Google, I'm talking about physiological specifics.

Hold on a moment...my Sarcasm meter just exploded.
Seriously? You post a challenge without research and include qualifying sources? Horrors...
Remco: 5'7", 134 to 139 lbs depending on who is arguing if he's fat or right on the money

Abdujaporov: 5'8", upper 140's to 150's in the 80's. Probably heavier now as he is in his 60's.
Both had broad shoulders, deep chest for upper body build.

You're welcome.

 

[kingjr]

Hold on a moment...my Sarcasm meter just exploded.
Seriously? You post a challenge without research and include qualifying sources? Horrors...
Remco: 5'7", 134 to 139 lbs depending on who is arguing if he's fat or right on the money

Abdujaporov: 5'8", upper 140's to 150's in the 80's. Probably heavier now as he is in his 60's.
Both had broad shoulders, deep chest for upper body build.

You're welcome.

Because he has broad shoulders.... he's not built for GTs... is that what you're saying here?

 

[Lequack]

Extended highlights

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUfW1qJbOTc

 

[chris_sssss]

Please post a list of 1m90+ guys (like Jorgenson) winning a GT. Then tell me again how much better he is built for GT's than Evenepoel.

People were much smaller 50 or 100 years ago. But in recent history some GT winners had similar height - Wiggins, Indurain, Zülle. It not about height but about weight. And as Jorgenson weight 5-10 kg less than these riders he has perfect preconditions for success. I suppose that he makes huge steps in his development the next 2 seasons and then we will see what he is capable of.

 

[Valv.Piti]

GOAT MTF. Even better than Aubisque in 2007, PSM 2015 and Granon 2022!

 

[James M]

GOAT MTF. Even better than Aubisque in 2007, PSM 2015 and Granon 2022!

It sure was history. Cemented as the nr 1 performance in history I guess that stage and mountain will always have a huge relevance.

Also was a wake up to reality for alot of people which was living in something which always was just a dream or hope call if what you want.