Tour de France 2025 route rumours and announcements

[ashhutch1997]

and Remco also didnt have good prep being he was in the exact same crash and likely had flu or covid at the Dauphine

Come on man, although Remco's preparation wasn't ideal, it was still much, much better than JV.
Anyway, we're all getting off topic again.

 

[Fyr3]

An arrival at La Plagne can be good if they do the first part of the 2018 La Rosière stage with the climbs of Bisanne and Col du Pré. You can also link it with the Col du Tra which they have done in the opposite direction to Longefoy in 2023 on the Courchevel stage. But I generally agree that gradients below 8-9% don't make enough difference anymore with how fast these guys climb, which is why you can see performances like that of Mikkel Bjerg on Hourquet d'Ancizan or more recently Nils Politt on Cime de la Bonette. Nowadays I would rather see a sequence of steeper but shorter climbs like to Le Lioran than these tempo climbs. Or at most just one to set up a first GC hierarchy or after a steeper climb to initiate long range attacks.

 

[Peyroteo94]

An arrival at La Plagne can be good if they do the first part of the 2018 La Rosière stage with the climbs of Bisanne and Col du Pré. You can also link it with the Col du Tra which they have done in the opposite direction to Longefoy in 2023 on the Courchevel stage. But I generally agree that gradients below 8-9% don't make enough difference anymore with how fast these guys climb, which is why you can see performances like that of Mikkel Bjerg on Hourquet d'Ancizan or more recently Nils Politt on Cime de la Bonette. Nowadays I would rather see a sequence of steeper but shorter climbs like to Le Lioran than these tempo climbs. Or at most just one to set up a first GC hierarchy or after a steeper climb to initiate long range attacks.

Pogacar just demolish everyone in a 15 km climb at 7%.

 

[Fyr3]

Pogacar just demolish everyone in a 15 km climb at 7%.

Yes but that is because he is so much better than everyone else he can do that. Its not very interesting for the rest of the GC battle when you see people just all riding their own tempo one by one after getting dropped by the UAE train. On steeper gradients you at least get more people going over their limit by misjudging their effort and completely blowing up, and its more suitable to riders who have a tendency to speed up / slow down on a climb a lot rather than riding one solid tempo to ensure they stay in the draft.

 

[Froome]

Pogacar just demolish everyone in a 15 km climb at 7%.

2025 is a new year.

 

[ashhutch1997]

Yes but that is because he is so much better than everyone else he can do that. Its not very interesting for the rest of the GC battle when you see people just all riding their own tempo one by one after getting dropped by the UAE train. On steeper gradients you at least get more people going over their limit by misjudging their effort and completely blowing up, and its more suitable to riders who have a tendency to speed up / slow down on a climb a lot rather than riding one solid tempo to ensure they stay in the draft.

France doesn't have the super steep climbs like Zoncolan, Mortirolo, Angliru ect. I guess the nearest you get is the Mont du Chat or Grand Colombier west? I'd love to see a repeat of the Chambery stage in 2017 with today's mutants.

 

[Froome]

France doesn't have the super steep climbs like Zoncolan, Mortirolo, Angliru ect. I guess the nearest you get is the Mont du Chat or Grand Colombier west? I'd love to see a repeat of the Chambery stage in 2017 with today's mutants.

They have some climbs like that, but they usually don't use it.

Granon, mont du chat......

There is a climb called Col du sabot who probably never was used, because there is few space at the top. This climb is a monster, 14.5 km at 9% in a narrow road.

 

[E_F_]

Col de la Loze?

 

[Froome]

Col de la Loze?

What about la Tougnète?

 

[rghysens]

They have some climbs like that, but they usually don't use it.

Granon, mont du chat......

There is a climb called Col du sabot who probably never was used, because there is few space at the top. This climb is a monster, 14.5 km at 9% in a narrow road.

A narrow gravel road, if I´m not mistaken.

 

[Froome]

A narrow gravel road, if I´m not mistaken.

Col du sabot is not a gravel road, looking at the videos on youtube.

 

[ashhutch1997]

They have some climbs like that, but they usually don't use it.

Granon, mont du chat......

There is a climb called Col du sabot who probably never was used, because there is few space at the top. This climb is a monster, 14.5 km at 9% in a narrow road.

Yes the Sabot is a monster, given that they managed to finish up Puy du Dome last year, I think they could finish there. The biggest problem with Sabot is its right next to Alpe d'huez, meaning ASO would most likely always go there.

 

[ashhutch1997]

Col de la Loze?

Loze is a monster, but the steepest part is compressed to the last 4km, and the first 10km is essentially a 'tempo climb'. I was thinking about climbs that are consistently 9/10% for the whole climb.

 

[Froome]

View: https://youtu.be/UiGYO9cD45o?si=3S7NBhgHH4DQB4Ov

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Vaujany has hosted Dauphiné stages before and that's the municipality it's in, the problem is that the entire two-thirds past Vaujany would need to be repaved and that's an investment that would only be interesting if there was a Tour stage involved.

 

[ashhutch1997]

Vaujany has hosted Dauphiné stages before and that's the municipality it's in, the problem is that the entire two-thirds past Vaujany would need to be repaved and that's an investment that would only be interesting if there was a Tour stage involved.

Could you compare the Sabot situation with what the Col de Portet was like before 2018?

 

[Froome]

Vaujany has hosted Dauphiné stages before and that's the municipality it's in, the problem is that the entire two-thirds past Vaujany would need to be repaved and that's an investment that would only be interesting if there was a Tour stage involved.

What about doing the climb on these narrow road instead of repaving? It would be more hard for the riders.

Let's go ASO, fire Gouvenou and bring Zomegnan.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Could you compare the Sabot situation with what the Col de Portet was like before 2018?

Politically, no - Portet and Pla d'Adet are in the same municipality, Sabot and Huez aren't.

Conversely, I think the road up to Sabot would actually need less work. Portet was partially unpaved at the time and I seem to recall the tunnel in the final kilometre needed work too.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

What about doing the climb on these narrow road instead of repaving? It would be more hard for the riders.

Let's go ASO, fire Gouvenou and bring Zomegnan.

You think this is an acceptable state for a road to be in for a pro race? Width is no problem, surface definitely is.

 

[Froome]

You think this is an acceptable state for a road to be in for a pro race? Width is no problem, surface definitely is.

Call me crazy, but it would be absolute Cinema!

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

You think this is an acceptable state for a road to be in for a pro race? Width is no problem, surface definitely is.

Climbing it shouldnt be a big issue really? Going down on such road would be a big no of course.

 

[Netserk]

You think this is an acceptable state for a road to be in for a pro race?

Yes. Riders will be in a single file or ride on their own. They won’t need every inch of the road like on Kortekeer.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

I think for safety reasons all the riders would need helicopter taxis to go down from this MTF (there probably isn‘t space for busses), quite impractical

 

[staubsauger]

I always thought Ventoux historically is the Tour de France's analogy to the Angliru & Zoncolan!?

 

[YavorD]

I always thought Ventoux historically is the Tour de France's analogy to the Angliru & Zoncolan!?

I don't think they are really comparable. Both pf the are too recent, much shorter and much steeper.

I'd use Grappa for a Ventoux comparison.