Tour de France Tour de France 2025 Stage 19: Albertville-La Plagne (93.1k) ‚Historic day, magnificent racing‘ ~ Rob Hatch, probably

[Tricycle Rider]

Noob question: was there ever a true rivalry (friendly or otherwise) between teams with a GC rider in the past? Cause this thing with UAE and Visma seems so silly and fabricated to me...

 

[Samu Cuenca]

So Vingegaard should ride the last 5 kilometers at 1,000 watts?

Better yet, 10.000 for 50 km.

 

[madthebad]

Terrible take, in order to win you must be willing to lose. He was maybe 100m off in his calculations.

nah , that was not a miscalculation , he was afraid to not give Pogi another win , he's in his head 100% , the kid is done , should retire with this mentality .

 

[Sciatic]

I don't really get this narrative... Vingegaard looked like he was trying to win the stage. He knows he can't drop Pogacar, so attacking low down the climb is a pointless endeavour. I think he made a mistake in the final km and left it too late, but in general the Gerrans approach was the best for the stage win. It's sad, but it's a reflection of the gap between the two riders.

Of course that's possible. But I don't believe it. He wasn't willing trying to win if it meant losing the stage to Pog

 

[E_F_]

Oh, it was 250m to go when Vingegaard went? If only there had been graphics providing that info...

There must have been some signs next to the road...

 

[Peyroteo94]

I’m not happy; Vingegaard did the most logical thing for his chances of a stage win today. If you can’t understand that, than no one can help you im afraid.

He missed a big opportunity today. He didn't even attack in the last 3 km.

 

[Kangaridoo]

The explosiveness training finally paying off.

Lovely to see him “beat” Pogi once and coming so close for the stage victory. Really fitting.

I think this was more a testament to prolonged wheelsucking and incredibly poor timing

 

[madthebad]

So Vingegaard should ride the last 5 kilometers at 1,000 watts?

nope , just the last 300-400 meters .

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Pogacar: *Drops Vingegaard every climb, especially in the final 200m every climb*

Cycling fans: "Why doesn't Vingegaard work for Pogacar?"

Honestly, I hope you‘re trolling because the alternative is way worse.

 

[kingjr]

Noob question: was there ever a true rivalry (friendly or otherwise) between teams with a GC rider? Cause this thing with UAE and Visma seems so silly and fabricated to me...

There was a notable rivalry between the teams of Peter Post and Jan Raas in the late 80s and early 90s, but they weren't riding for GC.

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

Noob question: was there ever a true rivalry (friendly or otherwise) between teams with a GC rider? Cause this thing with UAE and Visma seems so silly and fabricated to me

The only rivalry is between Jorgensen and Pogi lol.

 

[pelotonIQ]

I didn’t know a non racer could win 2 Tours 🙄

He didn't look like someone that has won 2 Tours, that's for sure.

 

[burning]

Visma easily secured their team GC lead, lol

 

[Peyroteo94]

Pogacar: *Drops Vingegaard every climb, especially in the final 200m every climb*

Cycling fans: "Why doesn't Vingegaard work for Pogacar?"

Did you not watch Pogacar was leading the climb for more than 20 minutes?

 

[dobrien]

Everyone just looked cooked, if Pog could have won that he would have. I think Jonas could have taken that if he'd trusted himself to go just a couple hundred meters earlier but it is what it is.

Great win by Arensman, that one took some balls; two stage wins for him and his team is MASSIVE.

Very impressive by Lipowitz, and Onley as well.

I hope this shows how dumb it is to backload the Tour like this; the organizers don't want to spread the mountains out because they're afraid of the race being over too soon, but instead everyone just gets too fried to do anything but hang on by the end.

Final day road race in Paris is going to be EPIC; everyone is going to want to win that one.

 

[Boehmand]

Arensman's accent is interesting, it's like a Dutchman having been brought up in the US - but now living in the UK

 

[Squire]

It blows my mind someone trying to defend Vingegaard here, specially when a guy is leading the GC and won 4 stages and the other has 0 stages and nothing else to conquer in this Tour.

It blows my mind how people always know the correct tactics here after the stage is finished. If Vingegaard had opened up 500m earlier and then been passed by Pogacar before the line, he had been lambasted for being stupid. He had one shot at working out the dilemma of not leading out Pog while leaving enough time to catch Arensman. He mistimed it by a few seconds. I don't see what other strategy he could have employed. He's clearly not gonna drop Pogacar on a shallow-ish headwind climb when he hasn't dropped him one single time so far.

 

[dr.eve]

the guy doesnt have a win all race , this was his last chance and he's still afraid of not losing a few seconds to Pogacar . Attack for the stage win mate, do it for the team , for the fans , for yourself, ffs .

Look I'm not a Vingegaard supporter and also not a Pogacar supporter. From that perspective I do not care which one of them takes the stage.
I did hope for more competition in GC earlier, that Vingegaard would catch up. But today that of course was not at stake, he's 4 min down. Why would he attack Pogacar? The best chance he has is to let Pogacar work the climb and try beat him at the end. And Pogacar also wanted to win right?

 

[iBanesto]

I already said before the Tour he should give up on GC and target stage wins instead because it was a lost cause, but they never listen.

But the Tour "is not over" though..

If Pogacar didn't bother with the Spring classics, probably would have won by over 10 minutes.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Vingo is a phenomenal GT racer. I think the complaint is that he didn't push Pog at all today, after claiming yesterday that "the Tour isn't over." Maybe he will try again tomorrow or Sunday, but the strategy here seems to have been to sit on Pog's wheel and try to outsprint him, essentially an admission that the Tour is over.

 

[Nerlo]

Man is Vingegaard pathetic. He has nothing in this tour and nothing to lose. I hope Trine lets him know what a coward he is

 

[Salvarani]

Did you not watch Pogacar was leading the climb for more than 20 minutes?

Pog wanted to race.

Not his main opponent.

 

[Red Rick]

Honestly, I hope you‘re trolling because the alternative is way worse.

No. I just happen to understand game theory.

 

[RobertCrawley]

It blows my mind someone trying to defend Vingegaard here, specially when a guy is leading the GC and won 4 stages and the other has 0 stages and nothing else to conquer in this Tour.

It's not a video game. These are real human beings who are baked after three weeks. I know it's really super cool to get on the internet and $&)^ on people, but this is the hardest race in the world and they are doing their best.

 

[iBanesto]

1	1	-	Pogačar Tadej	UAE Team Emirates - XRG	25	52″	69:41:46
2	2	-	Vingegaard Jonas	Team Visma | Lease a Bike		34″	4:24
3	3	-	Lipowitz Florian	Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe		4″	11:09
4	4	-	Onley Oscar	Team Picnic PostNL		4″	12:12
5	6	▲1	Gall Felix	Decathlon AG2R La Mondiale Team			17:12
6	8	▲2	Johannessen Tobias Halland	Uno-X Mobility			20:14
7	7	-	Vauquelin Kévin	Arkéa - B&B Hotels			22:35
8	5	▼3	Roglič Primož	Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe			25:30
9	9	-	Healy Ben	EF Education - EasyPost		20″	28:02
10	10	-	O'Connor Ben	Team Jayco AlUla		10″	34:34