Tour de France Femmes 2025 (July 26th- August 3rd)

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It wasn't about saying Elisa winning was preordained, but rather to counter the "the Italians would make as big a pomp and circumstance of a home winner too" when they demonstrably didn't.
Maybe if she wins two more in a row the Italians be more ebullient? The Italian women have owned their race so it's not that big a thing.

Throw the French a bone. After all, the last Frenchman that got close was Fignon and lost by seconds...to an American! Marsal as the Frenchwoman in '90....I can see why they're excited.
 
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Maybe if she wins two more in a row the Italians be more ebullient? The Italian women have owned their race so it's not that big a thing.

Throw the French a bone. After all, the last Frenchman that got close was Fignon and lost by seconds...to an American! Marsal as the Frenchwoman in '90....I can see why they're excited.
You said we can expect to see the same when the Italians next win their home race, now you say it's "not that big a thing". It is what it is, but I'm not going to pretend I enjoyed it, and the fact so many people are demanding I justify my opinion then telling me how wrong I am to not get lost in the moment only serves to make things more antagonistic than they ever were meant to be.
 
You said we can expect to see the same when the Italians next win their home race, now you say it's "not that big a thing". It is what it is, but I'm not going to pretend I enjoyed it, and the fact so many people are demanding I justify my opinion then telling me how wrong I am to not get lost in the moment only serves to make things more antagonistic than they ever were meant to be.
Well, as the kids around here say: "you do you". You don't need to blame Pauline.
 
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Well, as the kids around here say: "you do you". You don't need to blame Pauline.
Well, that's what I've been doing. But people seem to insist that I justify it because they want to feel warm and fuzzy. I never said they can't feel warm and fuzzy. Just that I don't. But apparently I have to feel warm and fuzzy too otherwise they can't feel warm and fuzzy so I have to be demanded to justify not feeling warm and fuzzy. I don't get it.
 
Maybe if she wins two more in a row the Italians be more ebullient? The Italian women have owned their race so it's not that big a thing.

Throw the French a bone. After all, the last Frenchman that got close was Fignon and lost by seconds...to an American! Marsal as the Frenchwoman in '90....I can see why they're excited.
This ^^^

Yes, it was a feeling that the French public hadn't felt in a long time, it was like Andy Murray winning at Wimbledon for the English. If you are shocked, wait for the next time that Brazil wins a World Cup. You'll see what overreacting really means. Men will become Gods.

The French needed it. After '19, the trauma, and the documentary that the entire country watched with sorrow, France needed this. I am so happy that it was Pauline who did it. One of the greatest cyclists that we have ever seen, man or woman. That's what we should be talking about. Her greatness.

Conspiracy theory: Pauline and Marion.

At the French Championships in '12, PFP won the ITT (Longo 7th) and Marion Rousse won the RR (Longo didn't bother sprinting for 3rd, freewheeled to 12th, last of the group). Age 53. I'm mentioning Jeannie, who just won (another) national title this year at age 66. Jeannie Longo desrved credit. Was it when the evil plan was designed?

Tom Brady: too good looking, too good at his craft, too much fame, too much money...I hated him...

I can go on and on, write a book...but I shouldn't have to convince anyone. PFP is a massive champion. Bravo Pauline!
 
The 2nd issue applies more to women: Media Coverage and DS directives re: female cyclists or runners weight (whether too much or two little weight) runs into the issue of female body shaming, which is considered abusive. So while criticism of Remco, or in the past guys like Ulle or LeMond, could be considered shaming, they aren’t generally viewed or labeled that way. So there a fine line: if there something that is normative to discuss about (and by) male cyclists shouldn’t that also be kosher in the women’s peloton? But that’s not the case. The issue of body-shaming of female athletes, especially cyclists and runners, in the U.S. may garner not only criticism but also lawsuits:
While men and women are fundamentally different biologically and that women are far more vulnerable to eating disorders, I don't think sexism is the solution.