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Polza_ said:
Only if he holds himself at fault. Which it doesn't really seem from his subsequent tweets.
Seeing as most people on here don't and never have raced, including me, this seems very relevant.
@Mark Cavendish
Can all sprint experts on twitter go & try flicking their bike right at 65kph without leaning your body left to balance & come back to me.
Seems he was trying to avoid him but just couldn't.
@Mark Cavendish
Can all sprint experts on twitter go & try flicking their bike right at 65kph without leaning your body left to balance & come back to me.
Seems he was trying to avoid him but just couldn't.
King Boonen said:
Greg Henderson @Greghenderson1 5m
Dont get me wrong. @MarkCavendish is not a crazy sprinter. Never has been, never will be. He has speed. Today was a mistake by him IMO.
Zam_Olyas said:
Why would what Greg Henderson has to say be relevant? From what I can see he's nowhere near the crash.
Cav did bad
DQ would be silly, relegated would be reasonable. The Stannard incident was not comparable, it was a crowded road and it got narrow. Cav messed up badly to knock Kittel off his bike. Cav was out of position, out of contention, and if he had to flick his bike to get around Kittel then he wasn't paying attention.
DQ would be silly, relegated would be reasonable. The Stannard incident was not comparable, it was a crowded road and it got narrow. Cav messed up badly to knock Kittel off his bike. Cav was out of position, out of contention, and if he had to flick his bike to get around Kittel then he wasn't paying attention.
Looked like Cav would have taken out the Argos dude regardless. I think Cav should loose his placings, but I'm no sprinter, and I might even be a cav hater.
cineteq said:"If and only if I'm at fault, I apologize" <= what a jerk!
Why would he apologise is he wasn't at fault?
Race Radio said:
This is more like the old Cav. Much better instead of trying to be a polite young man, which frankly often comes out fake and useless.
Chapeau.
I'm amazed at some of the comments on here from armchair watchers who have probably never been involved in a real sprint either on the road or on a velodrome. Sprinting is a tough business, actions are taken in split seconds, and riders sometimes make the wrong decisions. In this case, the replays clearly show a number of things:
1. Veelers peeled off the lead out and did not make enough of an attempt to get out of the way of the following sprinters. Sure, you don't have to go off to the side, but you shouldn't slow down right in front of the others and you should make predictable movements.
2. Cavendish probably had the wrong wheel (Veelers'), realized it, then tried to get around him. At the same time, Veelers slowed and swerved to the right by about a foot (impossibly to know if this was deliberate blocking, but he did take a look at Cavendish before he did it which would lead me to believe it was an impeding move).
3. Cavendish used his exceptional track-derived handling skills to avoid going down by using his body weight and his shoulder (not his elbows, not his head) at 40 mph. This is not easy.
I'd say Veelers made the dangerous move (slowing and swerving at least a foot) - probably not malicious, but not safe. Cavendish was protecting himself from going down.
1. Veelers peeled off the lead out and did not make enough of an attempt to get out of the way of the following sprinters. Sure, you don't have to go off to the side, but you shouldn't slow down right in front of the others and you should make predictable movements.
2. Cavendish probably had the wrong wheel (Veelers'), realized it, then tried to get around him. At the same time, Veelers slowed and swerved to the right by about a foot (impossibly to know if this was deliberate blocking, but he did take a look at Cavendish before he did it which would lead me to believe it was an impeding move).
3. Cavendish used his exceptional track-derived handling skills to avoid going down by using his body weight and his shoulder (not his elbows, not his head) at 40 mph. This is not easy.
I'd say Veelers made the dangerous move (slowing and swerving at least a foot) - probably not malicious, but not safe. Cavendish was protecting himself from going down.
William H said:
Why would you apologies if you weren't at fault? Whether he is at fault is another matter to me looks 50/50 you could blame either for different reasons.
Are biased people either way and even unbiased people will see the incident.
Greg Henderson recons it was Cavs fault Robbie McEwen that it was an accident.
Polza_ said:
He shouldn't apologise if he doesn't think he did anything wrong, absolutely. All I'm saying is that as it stands, he hasn't apologised
Being an accident doesn't mean it wasn't Cav's fault. Just that there wasn't any malicious intent
I agree with TrackCynic. I think people are failing to really consider just how fast they were going. We're talking a guy moving over at 65kph and Cav having to both go around him and protect himself from eating asphalt. This was just an unfortunate racing accident.
Zam_Olyas said:
Exactly, nowhere near it. He also didn't bad-mouth Greipel when he sent Martin flying. If you don't have a point don't try and use a random quote from someone else in an attempt to make one.
Crashes sometimes happen in sprints. This was a racing incident, nothing more, nothing less. Why does someone always have to be at fault?
King Boonen said:
I didn't try to make a point,i just post what a pro tweeted regarding the incident.Sorry, if you don"t like it, HTFU mofo. I don't really care whether it was cavendish or Veelers fault.
Look381 said:
Jesus who is this guy?? he doesn't even know the result??
Yet his first instinct is to slag some guy!
FFS !!
Zam_Olyas said:
If you're not trying to make a point then why quote my post?
Or maybe you were, realised it looked ridiculous and tried to bail? Nice try flower.
King Boonen said:
You posted a tweet by a pro and so i posted a tweet by another pro. What was ridiculous about it, sunshine?
Zam_Olyas said:
If you can read you can work it out, it's all there. You're boring me now though.
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