Tour de La Provence 2020 (2.Pro) - February 13-16

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May 25, 2018
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Nairo is looking lean and mean. Looks like the move away from Movistar has done him good. It's early in the year, so maybe it's hard to speculate about the other riders. I wouldn't worry about Pinot here. He's looking decent, ready for continuing gains in form later on. Last year, maybe he came into the TDF peaking just a bit early(?) . . . Eddie Dunbar is impressive. Also, Sepp Kuss is looking much better early on than he usually does. Also, Vlasov has followed up his strong ride from yesterday with another good one today. Carthy is looking strong, too.

Great to see the Condor attack and not get chased down by his own teammates :p

As for Eddie he not only has promising skills but judging by interviews has the head and definitely the confidence to match
 
Oct 16, 2012
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Great performance from Nairo looks like the Quintana of a few years ago

On other riders Sivakov didn't seem great today
 
Apparently Pinot has been battling a stomach bug since Thursday, even surprising himself by finishing top-10 yesterday, explaining this sub-par performance to some degree
I would have thought he looked okay for this early in the year even if he wasn't sick. But if he was not feeling well, then he's performing well. I'm hoping he's feeling really good when it counts most, in July.
 
Jul 16, 2011
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Good to see Dunbar up there. I like him. He's a punchy sort .... provided he hasn't bottomed himself out on that climb, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him attack tomorrow.
 
Sep 2, 2011
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Estimated power output for Quintana was 6,8 w/kg.

Might be his best climbing performance ever.
 
Jun 7, 2010
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Estimated power output for Quintana was 6,8 w/kg.

Might be his best climbing performance ever.

What would be the estimated power for Kuss using the same set of assumptions?

Quintana was likely excellent today, but I have doubts that he was that good.
 
Apr 16, 2009
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I doubt those numbers are right. If there was tail wind that could have affected the numbers.
Sometimes people like to normalize the power which confuses me quite a bit.
 
Apr 16, 2009
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I'm not quite convinced, to be honest. I don't mean to rain on his parade, but let's look at the context. He took 1m28 on... Lutsenko, Carthy & Vlasov. In Februari.

This is not exactly vs Bernal, Roglic or Froome in July.
I don't think we are taking into consideration the competition anymore, but the times. Mountain is still the same whether is Pantani or Quintana.
I just don't think that the number 6.8 w/kg is right.
 
Apr 16, 2009
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Strava says 374w avg for him. 374/64=5.8??
I assume 374 is for Kuss. I made the calculation with no wind and got 390 watts for Quintana using the energy equation, not the VAM. That is around 6.6 watts per kilogram for him which might be Ok for that length.
 
Jun 20, 2015
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I suspect maybe only one or two riders from the peleton could have beaten Quintana on Ventoux and even then I'm far from certain.
 
I'm not quite convinced, to be honest. I don't mean to rain on his parade, but let's look at the context. He took 1m28 on... Lutsenko, Carthy & Vlasov. In Februari.

This is not exactly vs Bernal, Roglic or Froome in July.
His raw numbers look insane, regardless of competition. 28:12 is quicker than anyone, ever. 6.8 w/kg, incredible. If this becomes his standard once more, he'll be a problem for anyone.
 
Feb 20, 2012
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His raw numbers look insane, regardless of competition. 28:12 is quicker than anyone, ever. 6.8 w/kg, incredible. If this becomes his standard once more, he'll be a problem for anyone.
Faster than Pantani isn't standard for anyone since the 90's basically. Obviously an amazing performance, but I really doubt the W/kg calculations and I guess there must have been a big tailwind as well.
 
Faster than Pantani isn't standard for anyone since the 90's basically. Obviously an amazing performance, but I really doubt the W/kg calculations and I guess there must have been a big tailwind as well.
Of course, and the legendary time of Mayo isn't the best reference either since the finish was much higher up the Ventoux in '04. However, when compared to other ~ 30 minute efforts, this might be Nairo's best performance ever.
 
Feb 20, 2012
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Of course, and the legendary time of Mayo isn't the best reference either since the finish was much higher up the Ventoux in '04. However, when compared to other ~ 30 minute efforts, this might be Nairo's best performance ever.
Struggle to find any 30 minute climbs that comes close in the post Armstrong era.
 
His raw numbers look insane, regardless of competition. 28:12 is quicker than anyone, ever. 6.8 w/kg, incredible. If this becomes his standard once more, he'll be a problem for anyone.
Who cares about the numbers when Vlasov, Lutsenko and Carthy only lose 1m28 on a 13k climb. Maybe Vlasov is peaking early, Lutsenko may want to be aiming for the classics, but Carthy certainly isn't and wants to go for GC in the Giro. That's some way off to be in top shape. And carthy isn't Bernal or even close.

For me, the circumstances don't exactly scream "new reference effort". But he does certainly look a lot more alive (as a competitor) than he's looked in a long time. I can see him in the mix come summer, but i won't assume he'll drop everyone just yet.
 
You make it sound like beating your closest competition by 1'30" is common feat.
No, i'm simply pointing out the closest competition is hardly worldclass (yet) and it's february. I can't imagine this effort would be enough to drop the entire GC competition come july. Which is what some people who are claiming it to be one of the all time greatest climbing efforts are somewhat insinuating it is. Things don't add up imho.
 
Jun 7, 2010
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1.30 would be very roughly something like 0.35 W/kg less which any way you slice it is a big margin on a 140km 1-big climb stage on day 3 in a race.