Tour de l'Avenir 2015, August 22 - August 29

[Spider1964]

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4 stages, danish riders:

1st
2nd
1st
1st

Pretty good

and as soon as they turn pro they suck. always the same story. they are treated like pro's at such young age they gain nothing as elite's similar to australian track riders

Just like Caleb Ewan today I guess

 

[greenedge]

Or Rohan Dennis... To be fair to Ryo Caleb did not ride much on the track compared to Durbridge or Hepburn.

 

[42x16ss]

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Or Rohan Dennis... To be fair to Ryo Caleb did not ride much on the track compared to Durbridge or Hepburn.

I don't think Ewan rode track at all past 16/17, he came up through the NSWIS road program then went into the AIS road program.

 

[Spider1964]

Time flies, but I think I remember him doing the Bendigo Madison in 2012, which would make him about 18 at the time? He was still doing plenty of track that year, but certainly changed tack once Orica came knocking.

 

[42x16ss]

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Time flies, but I think I remember him doing the Bendigo Madison in 2012, which would make him about 18 at the time? He was still doing plenty of track that year, but certainly changed tack once Orica came knocking.

Yeah, 17/18. I assumed he'd done some track as a junior but didn't think he kept at it for long.

 

[Bushman]

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4 stages, danish riders:

1st
2nd
1st
1st

Pretty good

and as soon as they turn pro they suck. always the same story. they are treated like pro's at such young age they gain nothing as elite's similar to australian track riders

In the past many years young Danish riders suffered from being boring allrounders only capable of winning from a breakaway (Anders Lund, Mads Christensen, Jonas Aaen ect). These guys looks more like the real deal. But there are some truth to your statement I guess.

There was in the past, yes. But from what I have heard the Danish Cycling Federation has been quite concerned with securing that young riders don't train too much early on and instead gradually increase the amount of training from year to year. In a couple of years we will see if it has had an effect. I dont believe that guys like Cort, Kragh and Mads Pedersen will fade away in the next couple of years.

That's just the opposite of what Kristoff's trainer, Stein Ørn, is doing. He has always said that his philosophy is to have the riders train hard at a young age (too hard to get great results) for the long term benefits, instead of focusing on reaching peak form when they're young.

Interesting that there's two completely opposite perceptions on the matter.

Actually that is quite interesting.

I think the idea of the Danish federation is that in the past many riders who had been very good in juniors and u23 couldnt make the jump to pros because they had already been training as much as the pros, thus they didn't have a lot of room for improvement.

 

[janraaskalt2]

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That's just the opposite of what Kristoff's trainer, Stein Ørn, is doing. He has always said that his philosophy is to have the riders train hard at a young age (too hard to get great results) for the long term benefits, instead of focusing on reaching peak form when they're young.

Interesting that there's two completely opposite perceptions on the matter.

One thing they have in common is that they're not focusing on u23 results but on the long term. My gut feeling says that the (new) Danish model is preferable. Since Kristoff is a true beast, he might have benefited from the hard training. I can imagine though that not anybody can survive such an approach.

 

[Bye Bye Bicycle]

Nuno Bico just abandoned. First time I noticed he's in the race.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

any ticker?

 

[Bye Bye Bicycle]

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any ticker?

Yes, there is a ticker.

 

[Ruudz0r]

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any ticker?

How can you follow cycling for this long and not know where to find French races ?

http://direct.directvelo.com/live-course/2512/tour-de-l-avenir-etape-5-coupe-des-nations-espoirs.html

 

[DNP-Old]

Maison, leader of the race, just fell on the descent, and broke his collar bone. How unlucky.

 

[Bushman]

Thats unlucky didn't have a big gap though.

Sounds like it has been very fast racing for the entire stage so far. Colombians and French really active.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Re: Re:

4 stages, danish riders:

1st
2nd
1st
1st

Pretty good

and as soon as they turn pro they suck. always the same story. they are treated like pro's at such young age they gain nothing as elite's similar to australian track riders

Just like Caleb Ewan today I guess

yeah he rode massively on track in the past

 

[Billie]

Guillaume Martin wins.

Mühlberger would've won if not for taking the wrong route with a couple hundred meters to go. He does take the leaders jersey.

 

[Ricco']

Henao disappointing.

 

[Escarabajo]

Henao needs another 2 weeks to make an impact. His deal is recovery. It is not going to happen for him here in Lavenir.

In other news Daniel Felipe Martinez is shaping up like a good prospect for Colombia. He had a good showing in Utah.

 

[Escarabajo]

Besides these stages are too short.

Maybe tomorrow with that monster of a climb. Madeleine.

 

[Gigs_98]

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Guillaume Martin wins.

Mühlberger would've won if not for taking the wrong route with a couple hundred meters to go. He does take the leaders jersey.

Sometimes I get the feeling the Austrians just don't want to win races

 

[Valv.Piti]

So, so much for the danish domination. Field hits the mountains and Im still starving for the next Rasmussen.

Oh well, I guess I just should applaud them for what they have done so far like a normal danish cycling fan, but I badly wants climbers. Søren Kragh is the real deal tho.

 

[Bushman]

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So, so much for the danish domination. Field hits the mountains and Im still starving for the next Rasmussen.

Oh well, I guess I just should applaud them for what they have done so far like a normal danish cycling fan, but I badly wants climbers. Søren Kragh is the real deal tho.

Würtz as well.

 

[Broccolidwarf]

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So, so much for the danish domination. Field hits the mountains and Im still starving for the next Rasmussen.

Oh well, I guess I just should applaud them for what they have done so far like a normal danish cycling fan, but I badly wants climbers. Søren Kragh is the real deal tho.

That's like expecting Cancellara to win Alpe D'Huez, instead of Paris-Roubaix..... you cannot expect riders to do well in terrain that doesn't suit them.... and the danish team has surely maximized their potential this tour already

 

[Spider1964]

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4 stages, danish riders:

1st
2nd
1st
1st

Pretty good

and as soon as they turn pro they suck. always the same story. they are treated like pro's at such young age they gain nothing as elite's similar to australian track riders

Just like Caleb Ewan today I guess

yeah he rode massively on track in the past

Yeah he did His background is track... was quick and did heaps with NSWIS as a junior. And, as I said, then Orica came knocking. You don't have to do too much digging to know this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caleb_Ewan

Track
2011
1st Jersey rainbow World Junior Omnium Championships
National Junior Championships
1st MaillotAustralia Omnium
1st MaillotAustralia Points race
1st MaillotAustralia Madison
2nd Team pursuit
3rd Scratch race
2012
National Junior Championships
2nd Madison
2nd Points race
3rd Scratch race
3rd Team pursuit
2nd Oceania Individual Pursuit Championships
2013
2nd National Team Pursuit Championships

 

[nuvolablu]

http://direct.directvelo.com/live-course/2513/tour-de-l-avenir-etape-6-coupe-des-nations-espoirs.html

Daniel Martinez attacked on Col de la Madeleine and the peloton exploded. Haig and Oomen already dropped . Moscon DNS

En tête: Elie Gesbert (France)

à 50": Daniel Martinez (Colombie).

à 2'40": le groupe maillot jaune.

à 3'40": le groupe maillot vert.

à 4'10": le groupe "Oomen".

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

martinez tearing the race up!