Tour de San Luis l 2.1 l 17-1 / 23-1-2011

[Reverend_T_Preedy]

Even more interesting when they get to europe in the Tours of Qatar, Méditerranéen & Oman

They're riding in Oman and Qatar? I know they're off to Mumbai and the Mediterranean but I haven't heard about Oman and Qatar.

 

[lucybears]

They're riding in Oman and Qatar? I know they're off to Mumbai and the Mediterranean but I haven't heard about Oman and Qatar.

mmmm....had heard they would be there and at Vuelta Ciclista a Murcia - Costa Calida (4-6 March), but it appears not....

 

[Fester]

The retired Laurent Jalabert probably best fits the ticket. And of course Val Verde. The very rare "complete" riders. I think it comes down to type II x muscle fibre composition; which probably also means cycling looses a lot of this type of talent to other sports where more money can be earned for less effort by someone who is relatively fatigue resistant as well as fast. Football for example. Sean Kelly is another example...

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Thing is, Valverde and Jalabert are both too good at climbing for Cândido. Even at his peak he never actually won the Volta. That's why Ryo mentioned Bettini, I think that's a more accurate representation of where his climbing was at.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Based on earlier posts in this thread, I think I've figured it out for you guys: Candido Barbosa is just like Eddy Merckx.

he may have doped just as much that's for sure

 

[roundabout]

Thing is, Valverde and Jalabert are both too good at climbing for Cândido. Even at his peak he never actually won the Volta. That's why Ryo mentioned Bettini, I think that's a more accurate representation of where his climbing was at.

Bettini finished 7th or 8th in the Giro once. Admittedly it wasn't the deepest of fields but Bettini could climb well if he wanted.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Bettini finished 7th or 8th in the Giro once. Admittedly it wasn't the deepest of fields but Bettini could climb well if he wanted.

Yes, and Cândido was 2nd in the Volta twice, but not on the most mountainous of parcours. Bettini's highest GT finish that I know of is 19th in 2008, so he can climb plenty but isn't one of the elites. Valverde and Jalabert are both better climbers than him, and most definitely better climbers than Cândido Barbosa, who was primarily a sprinter who could do the all-round things as a secondary skill.

 

[hfer07]

the team lineups look good
any chances of video Broadcasting?

 

[profff]

Yes, and Cândido was 2nd in the Volta twice, but not on the most mountainous of parcours. Bettini's highest GT finish that I know of is 19th in 2008, so he can climb plenty but isn't one of the elites. Valverde and Jalabert are both better climbers than him, and most definitely better climbers than Cândido Barbosa, who was primarily a sprinter who could do the all-round things as a secondary skill.

bettini was 10th in the first or second tour he raced, when he was riding for carrera, he was very young and he took advantage of some breakaways when he was not anymore a contender for GC.
he never did well in long climbs in his career , except in his wins in tour of lombardy where he was able to stay with the best on ghisallo.
he never won a top mountain finish in a GT.
valverde and jaja ,a vomplete different story, i agree

 

[Matthijs]

seems one of the best in climbs here but in itt I would think some of the south americans will beat him most notably giacinti. but who knows

Tondo has top 5's in very well competed TT's. Not at his top in SA though, but last year he had sort of the same TT results as nibali for instance.

Bettini had some mtf stages in the Vuelta where he finishes not so much behind the favourites. While riding himself into form for the worlds every year.
But to be honest, EBH seems a better comparison. Bettini has way more class (what did barbosa prove in one days of 260k?) handeling those distances is as much a special strength as itt, sprints or mountains...

 

[lucybears]

New route for the Tour de San Luis
The sixth stage from La Estancia Grande to Carolina will now be 193.1 kilometers, with the addition of a new stretch of 51.2 km which connects Rio Grande to Nogolí.
http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=34513
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[Ryo Hazuki]

Tondo has top 5's in very well competed TT's. Not at his top in SA though, but last year he had sort of the same TT results as nibali for instance.

Bettini had some mtf stages in the Vuelta where he finishes not so much behind the favourites. While riding himself into form for the worlds every year.
But to be honest, EBH seems a better comparison. Bettini has way more class (what did barbosa prove in one days of 260k?) handeling those distances is as much a special strength as itt, sprints or mountains...

2009 itt, when he won the queenstage and was 2nd in other mountaintop finish so definteely in shape:

1 Jorge Giacinti (Arg) Argentina National Team A 23.44 (50.056 km/h)
2 Tom Zirbel (USA) Bissell Pro Cycling 0.09
3 Martin Garrido (Arg) Palmeiras Resort - Tavira 0.10
4 Ben Maynes (USA) Bissell Pro Cycling 0.14
5 Andry Grivko (Ukr) Team ISD 0.22
6 Jason McCartney (USA) Saxo Bank 0.26
7 Nazaret Prado (Bra) Brazil National Team 0.28
8 Dirk Müller (Ger) Nutrixxion Sparkasse 0.34
9 Ivan Basso (Ita) Liquigas 0.38
10 Luis Amaran (Cub) Colavita Sutter Home 0.43
11 Jose Rodolfo Serpa Perez (Col) Diquigiovanni 0.53
12 Dmytro Grabovsky (Ukr) Team ISD 0.54
13 Alfredo Lucero (Arg) Argentina National Team A
14 Vincenzo Nibali (Ita) Liquigas 1.14
15 Gerardo Fernadez (Arg) Argentina National Team A 1.16
16 Ignacio Pereyra (Arg) Argentina National Team U23 1.19
17 Guillermo Brunetta (Arg) Argentina National Team B 1.20
18 Alejandro Marque (Spa) Palmeiras Resort - Tavira
19 Gabriel Brizuela (Arg) Argentina National Team B 1.23
20 Andreas Schillinger (Ger) Nutrixxion Sparkasse 1.27
21 Marco Arriagada (Chi) Chile National Team A 1.28
22 Brian Vandborg (Den) Liquigas 1.32
23 Gustavo Lopez (Arg) Argentina National Team U23 1.36
24 Xavier Tondo (Spa) Andalucía - Cajasur 1.39

 

[taiwan]

Glad there's something a little more vertical coming up, race wise. The rosters aren't bad either (although no european riders will have any form).

 

[taiwan]

No stage results yet, but team presentation photos are on Biciciclismo.

 

[Reverend_T_Preedy]

No stage results yet, but team presentation photos are on Biciciclismo.

Stage 1 finishes about 8pm GMT if I've worked it out right so a bit of a wait yet.

 

[taiwan]

Stage 1 finishes about 8pm GMT if I've worked it out right so a bit of a wait yet.

I was expecting this morning. Might have been 12 hours out.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

LIQUIGAS-CANNONDALE
1 Ivan Basso
2 Eros Capecchi
3 Jacopo Guarnieri
4 Dominik Nerz
5 Cristiano Salerno
6 Alessandro Vanotti

SELECCION ARGENTINA
11 Walter Pérez
12 Jorge Giacinti
13 Martín Garrido
14 Alfredo Lucero
15 Josué Moyano
16 Mauro Richeze
17 Gerardo Fernández
18 Leandro Messineo
19 Cristian Martínez
20 Juan Lucero

MOVISTAR
21 Carlos Oyarzun
22 Javier Iriarte
23 Pablo Lastras
24 Francisco Pérez
25 Mauricio Soler
26 Xavier Tondo

AG2R
31 Ben Gastauer
32 Julien Berard
33 Guillaume Bonnafond
34 Sebastién Hinault
35 David Le Lay
36 Matteo Montaguti

ANDRONI-GIOCATTOLI
41 José Serpa
42 Luca Solari
43 Jackson Rodríguez
44 Roberto Ferrari
45 Giairo Ermiti
46 Angel Vicioso

ANDALUCIA-CAJA GRANADA
51 David Bernabéu
52 Adrián Palomares
53 José Luis Roldán
54 Antonio Piedra
55 Antonio Cabello
56 Jesús Rosendo

ENDURA RACING
61 Robert Partridge
62 David Clarke
63 Maarten de Jonge
64 René Mandri
65 Iker Camaño
66 Alexander Wetterhall

DE ROSA-FLAINIA
71 Patxi Vila
72 Giorgio Brambilla
73 Cristian Benenati
74 Damiano Margutti
75 Paolo Bailetti
76 Stefano Borchi

ONDA-BOAVISTA
81 Celio Sousa
82 Alberto Morrás
83 Ion Pardo
84 Alexandro Marque
85 Bruno Lima
86 Helder Oliveira

NUTRIXXION-SPARKASSE
91 Sebastian Forke
92 Sergej Fuchs
93 Grischa Janorschke
94 Dirk Muller
95 Steffen Radochla
96 Bjorn Schroder

D'ANGELO-ANTENUCCI
101 Fortunato Baliani
102 Simone Campagnaro
103 Bernardo Riccio
104 Giuseppe Muraglia
105 Maximiliano Richeze
106 Miguel Angel Rubiano

UNITEDHEALTHCARE
111 Christian Meier
112 Andrew Pinfold
113 Rory Sutherland
114 Scott Zwizanski
115 Davide Frattini
116 Charles Wegelius

FUNVIC-PINDAMONHANGABA
121 Matías Medici
122 Marco Crespo
123 Héctor Aguilar
124 Tiago Gasparotto
125 Adelio Silva
126 Douglas Moi
127 Tiago Fiorilli

SELECCION CUBA
131 Arnold Alcolea
132 Alien García
133 Yasmani Martínez
134 Yennier López
135 Pedro Portuondo
136 Lisuandi Alonso

SELECCION COLOMBIA
141 Weimar Roldán
142 Juan E. Arango
143 Edwin Avila
144 Alex castro
145 Félix Barón
146 Félix R. Cárdenas
147 Hernán Buenahora
148 Camilio Gómez
149 Juan Pablo Valencia
150 Jonathan Millán

SELECCION CHILE
151 Marco Arriagada
152 Luis Mansilla
153 Patricio Almonacid
154 Gonzalo Garrido
155 Rodrigo Cuevas
156 José Medina
157 Luis Delgado
158 Sebastián Araya
159 Jorge Contreras
160 Gonzalo Miranda

SELECCION PARAGUAY
161 Fernando Rolón
162 Gustavo A. Miño
163 José Luis Arroyo
164 Samuel Coronel
165 Juan P. Villamayor
166 Oscar A. Matiauda

SELECCION BRASIL
171 Renato Seabra
172 Daizón Méndez
173 Cristian Rosa
174 Felipe Delai
175 Rodrigo Araujo
176 Renato Santos

SELECCION ECUADOR
181 Byron Guama
182 Segunda Navarrete
183 Jorge Gallegos
184 José Ragonessi
185 José Ruiz
186 Ramico Calpa
187 Luis Calispa

SELECCION BOLIVIA
191 Oscar Soliz
192 Juan Cotumba
193 Víctor H. Tarqui
194 Horacio Gallardo
195 Piter Campero
196 Yamil Montaño

SELECCION URUGUAY
201 Richard Mascarañas
202 José L. Miraglia
203 Néstor Pías
204 Mariano De Fino
205 Emanuel Yanes
206 Jorge Soto
207 Pablo Pintos
208 Nemesio García
209 Gregory Duarte

 

[taiwan]

I'm calling: Roberto Ferrari, Sebastien Hinault, Jacopo Guarnieri for the first stage.

Others to watch for the overall: Serpa, Bernabeu, Baliani.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

for the sprints I'd say marcos crespo. no really strong sprinters from europe compared to last year with chicchi and napolitano.

for overall Soler, Giacinti, Serpa, Tondo, Oyarzun I think

 

[taiwan]

We may be forgetting Basso. No reason why he would have any condition/interest at this time of year, but he could still end up in the top 5 or even win.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

he won't do too well in itt I think and this race has always been won in itt except 2009 when lucero won from a long break, otherwise giacinti had won that race also because of itt.

 

[will10]

if anyone finds a live feed later could they post it here? thx

 

[sublimit]

Good start line up. Team healthcare on Boardman bikes should be interesting, and Endura.
Looking out for Soler, Capechi. Basso. Sebastien Hinault will probably get a stage..
Its clearly going to be a better race than TDU but there you go.

 

[taiwan]

Team healthcare on Boardman bikes should be interesting...

I wonder if Charlie Wegelius will get any opportunities on this team. It would be cool if he could get a stage win or something this year (not this race).

 

[Libertine Seguros]

for overall Soler, Giacinti, Serpa, Tondo, Oyarzun I think

he won't do too well in itt I think and this race has always been won in itt except 2009 when lucero won from a long break, otherwise giacinti had won that race also because of itt.

Feels like a contradiction in terms.