Tour de Suisse 2017 (10/06 > 18/06/2017)

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Mayomaniac said:
Yes, Kitel has probably the best chance when i comes to beat Saggan wih such such a crappy route.
Matthews is a bit like an EBH who still has a good sprint after +250km.
Boasson Hagen? +250km?
 
Mar 23, 2010
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RedheadDane said:
hfer07 said:
RedheadDane said:
Is it just me, or did Sagan almost crash in the sprint? His bike kinda wobbled weirdly in the situation which caused him to bump into Degenkolb.

indeed- he almost pulled a Cavendish on Degenkolb

Well, if accidentally crashing is pulling a Cavendish... Looks like he simply lost control of his bike. Can happen to the best, even Peter Sagan.
Pulling a Cavendish is timing your sprint too early in the TdS, jumping out in front of the bunch, then having your front wheel fold in half right in front of you taking out Heinrich Haussler's career on your way to the ground.
 
Jun 30, 2014
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Popchu said:
Mayomaniac said:
Yes, Kitel has probably the best chance when i comes to beat Saggan wih such such a crappy route.
Matthews is a bit like an EBH who still has a good sprint after +250km.
Boasson Hagen? +250km?
Similar skillset, but Matthews still has a good sprint after +250km o racing.
Pozzovivo has to be on fire, otherwise he wouldn't test his legs on such a finish.
 
Aug 22, 2016
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My private ranking for tomorrow first mountain stage:
Costa
Soler
Pizzovivo
Dumoulin
Van Gardener
Izaguirre
Hirt
Mathias
Krunswick
 
Jan 3, 2012
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Mayomaniac said:
Popchu said:
Mayomaniac said:
Yes, Kitel has probably the best chance when i comes to beat Saggan wih such such a crappy route.
Matthews is a bit like an EBH who still has a good sprint after +250km.
Boasson Hagen? +250km?
Similar skillset, but Matthews still has a good sprint after +250km o racing.
Pozzovivo has to be on fire, otherwise he wouldn't test his legs on such a finish.

Are you serious? EBH and Mathews are completely different riders. Bad comparison, in my opinion.
 
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spiritualride said:
I don't understand the point of having two ITTs in a week long stage race. What do you all think?
It´s 9 days long. Week has 7 days.

Very insightful. What's your point? I don't know if you're a troll or simply don't understand the general meaning of the phrase. So 22% of the stages are ITTs instead of 28%. If a grand tour had that percentage, there would be 4-5 ITTs.
 
Apr 16, 2009
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spiritualride said:
Screecher said:
spiritualride said:
I don't understand the point of having two ITTs in a week long stage race. What do you all think?
It´s 9 days long. Week has 7 days.

Very insightful. What's your point? I don't know if you're a troll or simply don't understand the general meaning of the phrase. So 22% of the stages are ITTs instead of 28%. If a grand tour had that percentage, there would be 4-5 ITTs.

The first one is a prologue, very short, so not a big deal if you ask me.
 
May 5, 2010
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myrideissteelerthanyours said:
RedheadDane said:
hfer07 said:
RedheadDane said:
Is it just me, or did Sagan almost crash in the sprint? His bike kinda wobbled weirdly in the situation which caused him to bump into Degenkolb.

indeed- he almost pulled a Cavendish on Degenkolb

Well, if accidentally crashing is pulling a Cavendish... Looks like he simply lost control of his bike. Can happen to the best, even Peter Sagan.
Pulling a Cavendish is timing your sprint too early in the TdS, jumping out in front of the bunch, then having your front wheel fold in half right in front of you taking out Heinrich Haussler's career on your way to the ground.

Then Sagan obviously did pull a Cavendish. Coz Haussler was nowhere to be seen.
 
Apr 29, 2017
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Some very suspicious lack of time gaps when the group split at the finish. Im not suggesting they gave Frank the same time as the lead group only because he is swiss.... He was way back. The trio of Gilbert, Solar & Geoghegan-Hart were lucky, but that just takes the piss.
 
Jul 12, 2015
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Strawberry_Jams said:
Some very suspicious lack of time gaps when the group split at the finish. Im not suggesting they gave Frank the same time as the lead group only because he is swiss.... He was way back. The trio of Gilbert, Solar & Geoghegan-Hart were lucky, but that just takes the piss.

Apparently they are testing a new rule which only generates gaps between groups if there is at least a 3 seconds gap between them.
 
Jun 10, 2017
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spiritualride said:
Screecher said:
spiritualride said:
I don't understand the point of having two ITTs in a week long stage race. What do you all think?
It´s 9 days long. Week has 7 days.

Very insightful. What's your point? I don't know if you're a troll or simply don't understand the general meaning of the phrase. So 22% of the stages are ITTs instead of 28%. If a grand tour had that percentage, there would be 4-5 ITTs.
It used to be common for a TdF to have 2 long ITTs, a prologue, and a TTT. I think in 87 they had all that, plus a mountain TT up the Ventoux.
 
May 19, 2014
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Leinster said:
spiritualride said:
Screecher said:
spiritualride said:
I don't understand the point of having two ITTs in a week long stage race. What do you all think?
It´s 9 days long. Week has 7 days.

Very insightful. What's your point? I don't know if you're a troll or simply don't understand the general meaning of the phrase. So 22% of the stages are ITTs instead of 28%. If a grand tour had that percentage, there would be 4-5 ITTs.
It used to be common for a TdF to have 2 long ITTs, a prologue, and a TTT. I think in 87 they had all that, plus a mountain TT up the Ventoux.

One prologue, 3 ITTs and a TTT.

Almost 210 kms of TT. One of them was almost 90 km long. Dumoulin would have won 7 or 8 minutes on everyone else (GT-wise).
And here we have people claiming this year's Giro had too much TT kms and was tailor made for guys like Dumoulin. :eek:
 
May 13, 2015
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I think Nieve will win tommorow.

He needs to test his shape and be strong for the Tour. One of Froome's most important doms.
 
Apr 12, 2015
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Steven Kruijswijk is never good in one-week races. He'll not get into top 12.

Top 12:
Tejay
Ion, s/t
Pozzo, 2 secs
Soler, 16 secs
Nieve, 26 secs
Reichenbach, 33 secs
Woods, 40 secs
Spilak, s/t
Kudus, s/t
Dennis, 56 secs
Costa, s/t
Dumoulin, s/t
 
Apr 12, 2015
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Velolover2 said:
Steven Kruijswijk is never good in one-week races. He'll not get into top 12.

Top 12:
Tejay
Ion, s/t
Pozzo, 2 secs
Soler, 16 secs
Nieve, 26 secs
Reichenbach, 33 secs
Woods, 40 secs
Spilak, s/t
Kudus, s/t
Dennis, 56 secs
Costa, s/t
Dumoulin, s/t


Forgot Hirt. I think he will be up there with Nieve.
 
Dec 28, 2010
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You're all forgetting about Damiano Caruso. Pantano will surely bounce back too, if he's feeling well again.
 
Jun 10, 2013
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klintE said:
BigMac said:
klintE said:
My private ranking for tomorrow first mountain stage:
Costa
Soler
Pizzovivo
Dumoulin
Van Gardener
Izaguirre
Hirt
Mathias
Krunswick
Usually Costa doesn't do well on the first mountain stage.
viewtopic.php?p=1734059#p1734059
Maybe you're right but this year he won first mountain stage at Vuelta de San Juan. So it's not a strict rule
Usually Costa doesn't do well on the first mountain stage at this time of the year.

Velolover2 said:
Steven Kruijswijk is never good in one-week races. He'll not get into top 12.

Top 12:
Tejay
Ion, s/t
Pozzo, 2 secs
Soler, 16 secs
Nieve, 26 secs
Reichenbach, 33 secs
Woods, 40 secs
Spilak, s/t
Kudus, s/t
Dennis, 56 secs
Costa, s/t
Dumoulin, s/t

Those time gaps are not going to happen.
 
Oct 21, 2012
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Calmejane was winning everything at the start of the year, though seems to have gone a boil a little. Maybe trying to peak for the Tour.

Don't know if Direct Energie are going for stage wins or GC here? Either way he could be in contention over the next three days
 
May 19, 2017
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Several riders who could have done well in GC already lost a lot of time. TvG, Reichenbach, De La Cruz, Atapuma, Dennis, Pantano and everyone on Cannondale. Of those who haven't lost several minutes I guess everyone except Izagirre will lose a lot of time in the ITT. Think Ion will do a solid time trial, like in Basque Country, but I don't see him taking time from TD in the mountains. Don't see anyone doing that, actually. Maybe Pozzo, Nieve or Soler if they're in strong shape.
 
Aug 3, 2015
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Haven't been paying attention to this race at all, hopefully I will catch the next stages live now we are going into some interesting terrain. Lots of riders I like here, should be a good one. Most intrigued about Superman Lopez, of course... but should also be a good test for Betancur, one thing is hammer series, another thing ig serious racing.