Tour de Suisse 2024, June 9 - 16

[noob]

Of course, I’d they’d been in the Dauphine, they might have crashed like Rog and Remco.

I am almost certain you can't find any GC rider with a smaller crash record than Almeida! Possibly in the whole history of cycling lol.

 

[Sciatic]

Now that Suisse is over we can compare it with Dauphine. In my opinion this year (unlike previous years) Suisse was the higher level race. Almeida and Yates would have smashed Rogla and Jorgenson. In the top 10 of Suisse we got 10 lightweight climbers and not a Canadian rouleur and a Spanish flat domestique like in the Dauphine.
What do you guys think?

I think we’ll get to see all we need to know in just 2 weeks, so no need to struggle over apples and oranges comparisons.

 

[Froome]

No it is not, lmao??? XD

Suisse climbing level was obviousy higher, even my deaf, blind and numb grandma can tell you that.

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It was "higher level" in stages with 40 km ....but the reason for that is quite obvious.

 

[Froome]

But not when Teddy beats farmers by 10 minutes, right?

Exactly the same.

 

[Gigs_98]

4 consecutive 1-2s since they told me UAE weren't the highest performing team in the world

Who said that btw? I've been wondering ever since you started making these comments if this is a reference to me claiming the "switching to team UAE" effect is overrated, but it surely isn't, right?

 

[Unchained]

I think we’ll get to see all we need to know in just 2 weeks, so no need to struggle over apples and oranges comparisons.

These posts are going to be priceless when the outcome is so obvious and predetermined to many.
Glad I didn't have money on all the injured lame race horses that ended up in the hospital after Basque country accident on April 4th. After seeing lots of fresh flyers I am not going to be surprised by a surprise!!Too many guys riding at a high level!! And as far as solid rehab and recovery.. Remco and Roglic still falling off their bikes. Amazing that part of the solid make up of UAE is not crashing!! And Del Toro fell off 2 times in 8 stages... He is not going to the TDF!!

 

[Peyroteo94]

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It was "higher level" in stages with 40 km ....but the reason for that is quite obvious.

Yes, Ciccone is better than Yates because he did more W/kg!! You are always bringing this crap of comparisons. Can you see a race with proper eyes or you just rely on these w/kg estimations to assess rider performances?

 

[Valv.Piti]

Its painfully obvious to everyone that Yates and Almeida was climbing better than any other riders in both races. Apart from our guy Froome

 

[Unchained]

Its painfully obvious to everyone that Yates and Almeida was climbing better than any other riders in both races. Apart from our guy Froome

The only thing at this point important to Froome is did he have same financial advice team as Sir Bradley Wiggins..

 

[SHAD0W93]

Its painfully obvious to everyone that Yates and Almeida was climbing better than any other riders in both races. Apart from our guy Froome

Trying to figure out why Vingegaard didn’t put as much time into Bernal.

 

[Froome]

Its painfully obvious to everyone that Yates and Almeida was climbing better than any other riders in both races. Apart from our guy Froome

Then, tell me why you think they were climbing better than Roglic, jorgenson and Carlitos.

Maybe i can agree in the end with you, if you tell me valid reasons on why you think that.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Then, tell me why you think they were climbing better than Roglic, jorgenson and Carlitos.

Maybe i can agree in the end with you, if you tell me valid reasons on why you think that.

Because they did it for 5 stages, 4 of which they went 1 and 2.

 

[Rou]

Then, tell me why you think they were climbing better than Roglic, jorgenson and Carlitos.

Maybe i can agree in the end with you, if you tell me valid reasons on why you think that.

Maybe because Mr. Roglic, Mr. Rodriguez and Mr. Jorgenson could not drop Mr. LAZKANO uphill. Or you think it will be the other way around this year in the Tour - Enric Mas will pull for Lazkano (the superclimber) on the flat.

 

[Mayomaniac]

I am almost certain you can't find any GC rider with a smaller crash record than Almeida! Possibly in the whole history of cycling lol.

Don't jinx it!
One of those 2 wont feature high up on the gc during the Tour, gun to my head I'd say Almeida will be the 2nd gc guy.
If they are smart they let Ayuso recover from his crash and bring one of the Giro rouleurs (Bjerg or Politt) instead.

 

[Froome]

@Valv.Piti you don't think Jorgenson, Carlitos Rodríguez or Roglic could not drop Bernal or Ricittelo by 10/20 s in every mountain stage?

Because it was the gaps Almeida and Yates could make to them in every mountain stage on Tour suisse.

If we do the comparation between teammates, Carlitos is way better than Bernal at the moment in climbing level.

 

[Froome]

Because they did it for 5 stages, 4 of which they went 1 and 2.

Like i said on the previous post. You don’t think Roglic for example could not drop Bernal by 10/20 s in every mountain stage?

Adam yates and Almeida won all of the mountain stages, by they always won by a short margin.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Gall said he kinda expected this result because he did more volume less intensity in his last training camp to be better than last year at the Tour, so he still lacked the edge in high end intensity in the TdS and used it (and the coming altitude block) to get the intensity.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Like i said on the previous post. You don’t think Roglic for example could not drop Bernal by 10/20 s in every mountain stage?

Adam yates and Almeida won all of the mountain stages, by they always won by a short margin.

They finished ahead of the others more than Roglic, Jorgensen, and Rodriquez did. Maybe you’re underestimating the other riders while continuing your UAE crusade. Heaven forbid Vingegaard wins by 3 mins but he hasn’t so far this year.
If we take how the CdD went and take his shape each stage and put it here, no because he cracked on the last stage.

 

[zlev11]

They finished ahead of the others more than Roglic, Jorgensen, and Rodriquez did. Maybe you’re underestimating the other riders while continuing your UAE crusade. Heaven forbid Vingegaard wins by 3 mins but he hasn’t so far this year.
If we take how the CdD went and take his shape each stage and put it here, no because he cracked on the last stage.

you dont think Roglic could've outclimbed a group of Kelderman, Onley, Pidcock and Skjelmose? lol

 

[SHAD0W93]

you dont think Roglic could've outclimbed a group of Kelderman, Onley, Pidcock and Skjelmose? lol

That’s not what was said. Skjelmose has also done something Roglic hasn’t done and beat him the last time they raced. lol

 

[zlev11]

That’s not what was said.

"the finished ahead of the others"? those are the 'others'

Roglic cracked on the last stage because of the crashes. the Dauphine stages were also much harder. two of the stages in this race were a joke length and the other two were one climb summit finishes (of which the most comparable one with a Dauphine climb, Roglic still did better numbers).

 

[SHAD0W93]

"the finished ahead of the others"? those are the 'others'

And go read what I replied to.

 

[zlev11]

And go read what I replied to.

you mean the post where you didn't answer the question posed? I figured i would just ignore it too, but just for kicks, let's revisit it. do you think Roglic could've outclimbed Bernal by 10-20 seconds?

 

[SHAD0W93]

Like i said on the previous post. You don’t think Roglic for example could not drop Bernal by 10/20 s in every mountain stage?

If we take how the CdD went and take his shape each stage and put it here, no because he cracked on the last stage.

you mean the post where you didn't answer the question posed? I figured i would just ignore it too, but just for kicks, let's revisit it. do you think Roglic could've outclimbed Bernal by 10-20 seconds?

What’s the keyword in Froome’s post?

 

[SHAD0W93]

so you think Bernal would've climbed with Jorgenson and Rodriguez then? because he didn't do anywhere near close to the numbers those two did on that stage in this race. he would've been with Remco on that last stage.

I think Bernal wouldn’t have been 10/20s behind Roglic. Which means Roglic wouldn’t drop Bernal by 10/20s in every mountain stage.

And to the first point, the response was why Almeida and Adam looked more impressive compared with Roglic. Roglic was sprint, sprint, dropped. Almeida and Adam took over and attacked the others.

I also think Roglic can’t be fairly judged due to the crash, which is why I said if we take how each stage went. But if he’s swapped with UAE, Roglic most certainly wins TdS and one of UAE wins CdD.

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