Track star to GT hero

[thehog]

He is skinny, thin ankles [=climbing proneness], bit like Zulle, with the right training he can learn to climb to a level where he can kill everyone off in the time trials. Otherwise, a great Paris Roubaix winner for the future.

Agree. He's PR material and maybe Flanders. He'll be a great one day rider. He doesn't have Andy Shleck abilities like Andy did at 22 going up the mountains.

 

[thehog]

Any future British GT contender will almost certainly be an ex track rider.Likewise any Australian.This wasn't always the case.

In Australia the seasons are in reverse. Track was in the summer so grew very big because it became a family sport whereby the road season was in winter and competed with Australian Rules/Rugby.

That's different now whereby national junior road riders like in the UK are stationed in the Europe and in their summer.

Still track riders don't become GT riders. What you present explains nothing about the phenomenon that occurred with Wiggins.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

What you present explains nothing about the phenomenon that occurred with Wiggins.

Rudi Altig Hog, how about him?

He was the one of.

To the Schleck in the previous post: he and his father are quite special in a sence.

 

[ChrisE]

Anyone in the last 40 years?

Moser, yes. Agreed. Blood doper though. One of the first to blood dope mind you.

BZZZZZZZZZZZZT! Irrelevant to his GT prowess.

The clinic has already established that blood doping was not possible in the 80's for GT's.

 

[thehog]

Rudi Altig Hog, how about him?

He was the one of.

To the Schleck in the previous post: he and his father are quite special in a sence.

He was a six day rider not pure track but he's he is one if not the only example.

 

[ebandit]

fast eddy

it's before my time but did not eddy merckx excel on the track before

concentrating on the road?

 

[Siriuscat]

It was nice to see a Brit win the Tour, not a big fan but definately something to be happy about but as we question everything these days so this merits questioning also so carry on..

One wee point there's a first time for everything.

 

[Parker]

Fausto Coppi, Jacques Anquetil, Rudi Altig, Hugo Koblet, Ferdinand Bracke and Francesco Moser have all won World Track medals and a Grand Tour.

 

[TheGame]

Because the world needed another Sky thread that the same five people can participate in

 

[Joachim]

On a subject that has already been done to death on the Sky thread.

Next time, hoggie, make it a little less obvious

 

[ebandit]

?

Because the world needed another Sky thread that the same five people can participate in

you're kidding me?...............next hoggie will be saying that they would be

disappointed if wiggo tested positive

 

[xcleigh]

So Boardman was the first World-class track is from Britain? Reg Harris, Hugh Porter, Tony Doyle & Colin Sturgess never existed? Nor their 11 world track titles, 7 of which were in the individual pursuit?

Over a 25 year period British riders won almost a third if the pursuit golds before Boardman's 1992 win

No totally agree with those world class riders from the UK track. But Boardman's Olympics ride was the start of the lottery funded rise of track in the UK. Therefore it's no suprise to now see "Track riders" from the UK migrating to the road side.
Many of the previous British road Pros from the 80's and 90's, if riding now may well have gone through the track system rather than the tough amateur French, Belgian etc road scene.

 

[thehog]

Fausto Coppi, Jacques Anquetil, Rudi Altig, Hugo Koblet, Ferdinand Bracke and Francesco Moser have all won World Track medals and a Grand Tour.

Bar Hugo Koblet what track medals did medals guys win?

Didn't realise 6-day events were also Championship events

 

[taiwan]

Because the world needed another Sky thread that the same five people can participate in

Yep. This was all discussed at great length in the "Sky" thread, near the start. Of course it had not yet been discussed in a thread started by thehog, so that had to be sorted

 

[Parker]

Bar Hugo Koblet what track medals did medals guys win?

They were all pursuit riders: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UCI_Track_Cycling_World_Championships_–_Men's_individual_pursuit

 

[ultimobici]

No totally agree with those world class riders from the UK track. But Boardman's Olympics ride was the start of the lottery funded rise of track in the UK. Therefore it's no suprise to now see "Track riders" from the UK migrating to the road side.
Many of the previous British road Pros from the 80's and 90's, if riding now may well have gone through the track system rather than the tough amateur French, Belgian etc road scene.

Wrong. Lottery funding came in after Peter Keen & Boardman's success in Barcelona. The British lottery wasn't even in existence until almost 2 years after that gold medal ride. It merely served as the template for Keen's work later on with British Cycling.

 

[xcleigh]

Wrong. Lottery funding came in after Peter Keen & Boardman's success in Barcelona. The British lottery wasn't even in existence until almost 2 years after that gold medal ride. It merely served as the template for Keen's work later on with British Cycling.

I totally agree, I didn't say Boardman was lottery funded but it was I think the catalyst.

 

[thehog]

They were all pursuit riders: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UCI_Track_Cycling_World_Championships_–_Men's_individual_pursuit

That they were. Thank-you.

Moser we can discount for his blood doping. The others are all pre-60's.

So in 50-60 years no one has got close.

Not even Dean Woods.

It's still a massive phenomenon in my eyes. Extremely unusual. Not a given to go from 4000m to GT winner.

Interesting data though.

It could've suggested that anyone pre 60's was going to be good at all forms of cycling like those you mention.

Certainly no one in the modern era has achieved this feat. Well except for Berzin

 

[thehog]

It was nice to see a Brit win the Tour, not a big fan but definately something to be happy about but as we question everything these days so this merits questioning also so carry on..

One wee point there's a first time for everything.

True. There is a first time for everything. Possible but not probable in the modern era. In fact statistically almost impossible.

 

[simo1733]

I totally agree, I didn't say Boardman was lottery funded but it was I think the catalyst.

No doubt about it.That was the start of British track cycling entering the modern era.I remember the GB pusuit team all had different bikes while the Germans were on FES carbon.

 

[deValtos]

Doesn't look a natural or normal progression at all. It actually looks like a "off the charts" phenomena.

It's unexplainable.

In fact statistically almost impossible.

So you have guys like Coppi, Altig, Moser, Berzin, McGee, Wiggins plus some non-climbers (Ekimov, Boardman, Bobridge ... ) and you throw out words like phenomena and statistically almost impossible

This has got to be a wind-up? I don't usually comment but as a student of maths I feel a tad annoyed by this thread.

There's a lot of suspicious things about Wiggins but this isn't one of them.

 

[ultimobici]

No totally agree with those world class riders from the UK track. But Boardman's Olympics ride was the start of the lottery funded rise of track in the UK. Therefore it's no suprise to now see "Track riders" from the UK migrating to the road side.
Many of the previous British road Pros from the 80's and 90's, if riding now may well have gone through the track system rather than the tough amateur French, Belgian etc road scene.

Wrong. Lottery funding came in after Peter Keen & Boardman's success in Barcelona. The British lottery wasn't even in existence until almost 2 years after that gold medal ride. It merely served as the template for Keen's work later on with British Cycling.

 

[simo1733]

Some peoples only goal is to annoy others.It is a characteristic commom amongst teenage boys.Think of Beavis and Butthead.

 

[Joachim]

In fact statistically almost impossible.

'In fact', eh?

Is it. Is it really? Care to give us your statistical calculations?

I'm really good at statistics. Would love to see the Maths behind your conclusion.

 

[will10]

Phinney will be next.