Transfers and Rumours 2011 > 2012

[Vino attacks everyone]

not to get in the middle of this fight, butatleast this year bmc DOES have had a problem with injuries. Which is something you can't completely blindly look past

 

[nobilis]

not to get in the middle of this fight, butatleast this year bmc DOES have had a problem with injuries. Which is something you can't completely blindly look past

I don't think BMC had more problems than other teams. Most of the teams so far this year had problems with injuries, crashes, illnesses. BMC had more problems of lack of fitness.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

not to get in the middle of this fight, butatleast this year bmc DOES have had a problem with injuries. Which is something you can't completely blindly look past

every team has had problems with injuries. it's not worse than any other team. gilbert I don't call injured. just out of shape. hushovd has been sick a few times but even for that performed abysmal. gva got over his injury after trentino he said. phinney is always injured. he will never do much as a roadcyclist when this young you already crash in every race and injure. you could see that coming from miles. same with kelderman

 

[spalco]

it would be hilariosu if they got nibali. bmc always buy the riders with the biggest hype and pay them the most. but don't know how often they just had one lucky year ro are inmensely overrated. guys like tjvg, eijssen, tim roe, hushovd, burghardt, phinney, santambrogio, pinotti, kroon, kristoff

Hushovd is hardly overrated, let alone a one-year-wonder. He's no Boonen or Cancellara, but he has a very impressive palmares.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

bmc bought him after his 2 most succesful years for increidbly salary. he is 34 and he will never do that well again I think it's save to say. I'm not saying he's not a great rider

 

[karlboss]

bmc bought him after his 2 most succesful years for increidbly salary. he is 34 and he will never do that well again I think it's save to say. I'm not saying he's not a great rider

Hushovd is repotedly at 1.5 -2 million euro a year, for 3 years. What would expect from a rider worth this much? I think he needs to pull a Boonen and refind his sprint. Without it he's good for stage hunting and not much else. 1.5 million, he'd have to be in contention i mean top 5 regularly for races like MSR, GW, E3, PR, PT, GT stages and the odd week stage race stage to be worth that.

Without refinding his sprint I just don't see it. He certainly hasn't been at that sort of level this year. Maybe next year...

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

2 million euros for a guy that is never going to win a monument foir you and maybe a tour stage is quite a lot. you can't refind your sprint. hushovd has lost it like many powersprinters do over time. boonen is 3 years younger than hushovd and was always faster

 

[karlboss]

2 million euros for a guy that is never going to win a monument foir you and maybe a tour stage is quite a lot. you can't refind your sprint. hushovd has lost it like many powersprinters do over time. boonen is 3 years younger than hushovd and was always faster

In good form he is still capable of winning MSR and PR with a little luck...

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

In good form he is still capable of winning MSR and PR with a little luck...

no he's not. boonen is faster and better and cancellara is a lot better. what are the odds that both will drop out of race? and then I still have to see him wheelsuck flecha or ballan to the finish. or perhaps even a strong boom. msr absolute 0 chance. he will always encounter riders that are faster than him

 

[karlboss]

no he's not. boonen is faster and better and cancellara is a lot better. what are the odds that both will drop out of race? and then I still have to see him wheelsuck flecha or ballan to the finish. or perhaps even a strong boom. msr absolute 0 chance. he will always encounter riders that are faster than him

My definition of a little luck is broader than yours

Sure he'll never be the strongest, but out of an elite group of 10 have Ballan attack, watch Boonen and Cancellara watch each other take resposibility and chase and then take the sprint coming off Boonen's wheel. Not likely, but with a little luck

MSR just pick the right wheel in the sprint, and it's done, I suggest Boonen or Sagan. Again it's not a good bet, but with a little luck

If he is being paid 2 million it is clearly too much IMHO, based on performance I'd say around the million is about right if he's on form, 1.5 if he's on form considering he's a former world Champ.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I don't mean to say 2 million is too much. but comparing to other riders and team yes. bmc never buy a rider that has yet to break through and not rider ever breaks through with bmc. same with phonak

 

[karlboss]

I don't mean to say 2 million is too much. but comparing to other riders and team yes. bmc never buy a rider that has yet to break through and not rider ever breaks through with bmc. same with phonak

When you consider that riders on around the 2 million mark are reportedly, Boonen, Cancellara, and A Schleck, what do you think of Hushovd at 2 mill? I think it's too much.

Floyd broke through with Phonak

i guess they are hoping for TJ, Phinney, or GVA, anyone else?. I think GVA is on the up and up.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

gva was already great with lotto but isn't really a future topstart either. cancellara make only 2 million? I think more like 3

 

[El Pistolero]

GVA definitely improved with BMC and Evans had his biggest successes with the team. They obviously bought Phinney with an eye for the future. And a WT prologue victory and top 20 in your first Paris-Roubaix is by no means bad. He just needs to crash a little bit less. Ballan also refound his old legs at BMC. Third at the Ronde van Vlaanderen and Paris-Roubaix is not bad for a rider like him. It's hard to actually win a big race if you don't have a good sprint.

 

[karlboss]

gva was already great with lotto but isn't really a future topstart either. cancellara make only 2 million? I think more like 3

I suppose it depends on what you mean by breaks through. GVA was good with lotto but surely his breakthrough year was with BMC last year, he won a major classic and was top 10 in loads more. I think he is stronger this year, and is only 26. How much better he gets...I guess we'll have to wait.

3 million transfer 2 million salary according to an article I found from l'equipe. I was surprised too, I thought both he and Boonen would be on more.

 

[dlwssonic]

Yeah there were riders who broke through in BMC. GVA did really well last season and is doing well this season. Evans has performed his best in BMC. TDF, Romandie, TA, CI, FW, Giro stage and 5th in GC.
Like pistolero said ballan is also performing at a high level in BMC.
Frank has also broken through and so has alexander kristoff and morabito.
TJVG and pinotti are also performing well in their first season with BMC.
Phinney has already performed well since recovering from that injury a prologue victory and a second also in another prologue. Getting 4th GC in eneco and leading his team to TTT victory.

 

[karlboss]

Yeah there were riders who broke through in BMC. GVA did really well last season and is doing well this season. Evans has performed his best in BMC. TDF, Romandie, TA, CI, FW, Giro stage and 5th in GC.
Like pistolero said ballan is also performing at a high level in BMC.
Frank has also broken through and so has alexander kristoff and morabito.
TJVG and pinotti are also performing well in their first season with BMC.
Phinney has already performed well since recovering from that injury a prologue victory and a second also in another prologue. Getting 4th GC in eneco and leading his team to TTT victory.

we're talking about breakthroughs, guys becoming stars, evans had already podiumed the tour twice, Ballan world champ and la ronde, podiumed PR in 2006.
Frank, Morabito, Phinney, TJVG? what have they broken through?
Pinotti was my favourite name, the guy has been a pro since 1999, great to see you expect a breakthrough in 2012 at age 36.

 

[dlwssonic]

we're talking about breakthroughs, guys becoming stars, evans had already podiumed the tour twice, Ballan world champ and la ronde, podiumed PR in 2006.
Frank, Morabito, Phinney, TJVG? what have they broken through?
Pinotti was my favourite name, the guy has been a pro since 1999, great to see you expect a breakthrough in 2012 at age 36.

Please read my post I said pinotti, TJVG and phinney are performing well.
Frank has always been improving, I expect a strong performance from him in this years tour de suisse.

 

[Fetisoff]

and so has alexander kristoff

What has he done at BMC to be considered a "breakthrough"?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Yeah there were riders who broke through in BMC. GVA did really well last season and is doing well this season. Evans has performed his best in BMC. TDF, Romandie, TA, CI, FW, Giro stage and 5th in GC.
Like pistolero said ballan is also performing at a high level in BMC.
Frank has also broken through and so has alexander kristoff and morabito.
TJVG and pinotti are also performing well in their first season with BMC.
Phinney has already performed well since recovering from that injury a prologue victory and a second also in another prologue. Getting 4th GC in eneco and leading his team to TTT victory.

no wonder nobody takes you serious

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Please read my post I said pinotti, TJVG and phinney are performing well.
Frank has always been improving, I expect a strong performance from him in this years tour de suisse.

tour de suisse? who the hell cares. breaking through you do in monuments and gt's. all bmc top riders were established before they came and gva winning paris tours? I couldn't care less. we'll talk again when he has won lbl, msr or so for bmc

 

[karlboss]

Please read my post I said pinotti, TJVG and phinney are performing well.
Frank has always been improving, I expect a strong performance from him in this years tour de suisse.

i thought you were attempting to add to the topic being discussed, i should have noted you strayed, to who is doing ok. My apologies.

Pisti knows well enough it is a stretch to call Ballan or Evans breakthroughs, but they are having good years with BMC.
Phinney is one for the future, but it's hardly a stretch when one of the best pursuiters wins a prologue. He could, so could TJVG, but aren't breaking through yet.
Ryo was mentioning BMCs signings as only buying established talent, IMO Vanavermaet is the only rider who is really stepping up, and "breakingthough"

 

[dlwssonic]

no wonder nobody takes you serious

tour de suisse? who the hell cares. breaking through you do in monuments and gt's. all bmc top riders were established before they came and gva winning paris tours? I couldn't care less. we'll talk again when he has won lbl, msr or so for bmc

You know the same could be said for you for all the crap you talk about. You should know Paris tours is a pretty big race. But obviously not as big as a trentino stage.

 

[Parrulo]

no wonder nobody takes you serious

dlwssonic is a nice guy but indeed no1 takes him seriously.

i am going to give you an advice dlwssonic, if you want too you can ignore it, but i will give it to you anyway.

stop obsessing so much over bmc, 100% of your posts are about bmc and you try to bring bmc into every discussion 90% of the times unsuccessfully, haven't you noticed that when, after a race, you post your usual "rider X from BMC did great and so did rider Y and Z" even tho most of the times the results are invisible results no1 cares about, no1 ever replies to you? that's because people are discussion results that actually matter like who won and who was in contention.

think about it.

p.s. also try to learn something about cycling that isn't BMC related because many times you make a fool out of yourself unnecessarily.

i hope i didn't came up as too harsh on you, it's just some friendly advice that imo will make you enjoy this sport a lot more

 

[karlboss]

we're talking about breakthroughs, guys becoming stars, evans had already podiumed the tour twice, Ballan world champ and la ronde, podiumed PR in 2006.
Frank, Morabito, Phinney, TJVG? what have they broken through?
Pinotti was my favourite name, the guy has been a pro since 1999, great to see you expect a breakthrough in 2012 at age 36.

Remembering Horner I may live to regret that actually. Best year at age 38.