Transfers and Rumours 2011 > 2012

[thehog]

You're reaching and frankly I'm offended.

The point being at Saxo he'd be part of a winning team. At Sky he has prepared twice for Bradly and Wiggo has not come through with the goods. That's the difference and the point you missed.

Sorry, but your changing your arguments here. You said Sky guy's were leaving because They were tired of working for a leader who wasn't.I pointed out one example were the leader he worked for actually delivered. Dauphine. The Tour will always be a question mark.

Now you say it's a question of him having more chances.

Well, I fail to see what would be that much different if he went to Saxo- Bank. They both have very similar dynamics when it comes to leadership: one guy that puts the Tour as his main goal. So if he went to Saxo, according to your logic, he wouldn't have won those two stages as well...because he would be working for Contador!

Other than that, what races would he get as a leader/ free rider that he is not getting at Sky? (Serious question, I'm discussing ideas here). And let's not say Vuelta 2011, because, wether you like the guy or not, a collarbone is a misfortune and not some caracter trait. It can happen everywhere and to everyone.

As I pointed out on the first post. Things are finally working out for him, sporting-wise. I don't think it's worth all the hassle of accomodating yourself in a new team, specially when the other team won't give you any more assurances. (Leadership and collective, which is a question I now realize I diddn't even brought up, but could be valid when comparing Saxo and Sky)

 

[thehog]

He is clearly trolling.

...do you have any idea who I am?

Don't waste my time.

 

[canyonball]

Here's reasoning: He's not going to waste his time leading out Cavendish when he can actually do something for him self.

Now that would be a good argument for the move. He doesn't want to be Cav's pet. Fair enough.

And yes, Team Saxo are better than Team Sky. Despite losing 90% of his team Riis won a GT and a Monument. According to Cavendish Sky won mostly shit small races anyway.

So in order to prove your point they have a stronger team you give as example a rider who, as has been discussed ad nauseum in this forum, won pretty much alone/using someone elses work? They have a better tactician, I'll give you that.

Look at the line ups. It's my opinion Sky can provide better support. That is all.

Okay, I'm refraining myself from posting any longer about sky. There's enough of that on the webs It just hits my nerve how haters respond to the overating of a team/ rider by...underating them. Just because...some middle ground is needed, eventually.

 

[El Pistolero]

Now that would be a good argument for the move. He doesn't want to be Cav's pet. Fair enough.



So in order to prove your point they have a stronger team you give as example a rider who, as has been discussed ad nauseum in this forum, won pretty much alone/using someone elses work? They have a better tactician, I'll give you that.

Look at the line ups. It's my opinion Sky can provide better support. That is all.

Okay, I'm refraining myself from posting any longer about sky. There's enough of that on the webs It just hits my nerve how haters respond to the overating of a team/ rider by...underating them. Just because...some middle ground is needed, eventually.

Team Saxo are excused from that as they lost more than 90% of their team thanks to the backstabbing of the Schleck sisters.

Over the years, Saxo has proven to be one of the strongest teams in the world and Saxo even offered more money this year for Riis to buy new cyclists. He'll be back next year with an even stronger team. Sky with Cavendish and Wiggins in it can offer no decent support for Edvald Boasson Hagen. Unless he wants to win the Eneco Tour again

His post just made no sense, and I'm not just thinking of this year, but previous years and the future.

 

[roundabout]

Team Saxo are excused from that as they lost more than 90% of their team thanks to the backstabbing of the Schleck sisters.

Over the years, Saxo has proven to be one of the strongest teams in the world and Saxo even offered more money this year for Riis to buy new cyclists. He'll be back next year with an even stronger team. Sky with Cavendish and Wiggins in it can offer no decent support for Edvald Boasson Hagen. Unless he wants to win the Eneco Tour again

His post just made no sense, and I'm not just thinking of this year, but previous years and the future.

Hyperbole fanboy bull****.

 

[El Pistolero]

Hyperbole fanboy bull****.

I'll rephrase, they lost 100% of their decent cyclists last year.

Happy now?

 

[Thomsena]

Hyperbole fanboy bull****.

I suggest you to read the book 'RIIS' and read what the man behind it all felt it like..

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

...do you have any idea who I am?

Don't waste my time.

Big man on the internet. It's Obama, isn't it.

OMG!

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

His post just made no sense, and I'm not just thinking of this year, but previous years and the future.

Ok, you enjoy living in the past, or in your imagination of who will or will not sign for who next year. But I suggest in future you say that Saxo were a better team. Or Saxo will be a better team. Unfortunately the present tense is quite specific in the English language.

In the here and now present, Sky can clearly provide Eddy with better support in almost any conditions vs Saxo. I like Saxo, for the record, but it's just objectively clearly the case that they are a 2 man band this year (being kind to Nick), and neither of them would work for Eddy, quite rightly.

 

[Mambo95]

Sky with Cavendish and Wiggins in it can offer no decent support for Edvald Boasson Hagen. Unless he wants to win the Eneco Tour again

Support in which races, though. The races EBH has the best chances in mostly won't have Wiggins or Cavendish in the team. There's no real clash.

 

[El Pistolero]

Ok, you enjoy living in the past, or in your imagination of who will or will not sign for who next year. But I suggest in future you say that Saxo were a better team. Or Saxo will be a better team. Unfortunately the present tense is quite specific in the English language.

In the here and now present, Sky can clearly provide Eddy with better support in almost any conditions vs Saxo. I like Saxo, for the record, but it's just objectively clearly the case that they are a 2 man band this year (being kind to Nick), and neither of them would work for Eddy, quite rightly.

Sky can't. If they sign Cav all their support will go to him and Wiggins.

Besides, it's not like EBH will ride for the 2011 team. Saxo 2012 will be stronger hence the future is more important yes.

 

[El Pistolero]

Support in which races, though. The races EBH has the best chances in mostly won't have Wiggins or Cavendish in the team. There's no real clash.

The races in which EBH has his best chances are the classics. Saxo and classics go hand in hand together. Riis has a lot of experience in them.

 

[Mambo95]

The races in which EBH has his best chances are the classics. Saxo and classics go hand in hand together. Riis has a lot of experience in them.

So do Knaven, De Jongh and Yates.

Other than Nuyens in RvV, Saxo were completely invisible in the Classics.

 

[theyoungest]

So do Knaven, De Jongh and Yates.

Other than Nuyens in RvV, Saxo were completely invisible in the Classics.

And that other semiclassic he won.

 

[The Hitch]

So do Knaven, De Jongh and Yates.

Other than Nuyens in RvV, Saxo were completely invisible in the Classics.

Fixed it for you.

 

[El Pistolero]

So do Knaven, De Jongh and Yates.

Other than Nuyens in RvV, Saxo were completely invisible in the Classics.

They managed to win a Monument and Semi classic despite their entire classics squad from last year leaving.

I say that's mighty impressive.

 

[jobiwan]

Davide Cimolai (LIQ) and Matteo Rabbotini (FAR) to Lampre.

Biciclismo
English Translation

 

[Sparta]

Saxo 2012 will be stronger hence the future is more important yes.

Wait a minute. That's a huge claim

 

[ingsve]

Alexander Kristoff has signed for Katusha according to procycling.no. Can't say I'm particularly happy with his choice.

I think it's actually pretty suitable. He won't be competing with that many other sprinters so he will still get lots of opportunities to develop as a sprinter. Do they still have Cipollini as a consultant as well? He probably won't get to ride the Tour in these two years but I think that's good since he's not really ready for those types of sprints yet anyway.

 

[maltiv]

I think it's actually pretty suitable. He won't be competing with that many other sprinters so he will still get lots of opportunities to develop as a sprinter. Do they still have Cipollini as a consultant as well? He probably won't get to ride the Tour in these two years but I think that's good since he's not really ready for those types of sprints yet anyway.

Yes but he could end up like Pozzato if they too are dissapointed with him in the spring (which they probably will be considering his usual spring form) and basically not get to ride anything.

 

[ingsve]

Yes but he could end up like Pozzato if they too are dissapointed with him in the spring (which they probably will be considering his usual spring form) and basically not get to ride anything.

Well, I would expext that the expectations on a guy like Pozzato would be quite different than what would be expected from Kristoff. Though I still hope that Kristoff has learnt his lesson and will change how he prepares for the season a little bit for next year.

 

[daveinzambia]

Wow there are some real Team Sky / Wiggins haters on this forum.

i think their english nanny did not cuddle them enough as kids

 

[Mambo95]

They managed to win a Monument and Semi classic despite their entire classics squad from last year leaving.

I say that's mighty impressive.

They did. With Nuyens. He won both by opportunism, not thorough teamwork.

For those classics Sky currently have Flecha, Thomas, Stannard, Hayman, even Sutton and Wiggins on a good day.

Who do Saxo have? Nuyens - yes. Baden Cooke, I'll give you. The rest of the team are Contador loyalists or nobodies.

 

[El Pistolero]

They did. With Nuyens. He won both by opportunism, not thorough teamwork.

For those classics Sky currently have Flecha, Thomas, Stannard, Hayman, even Sutton and Wiggins on a good day.

Who do Saxo have? Nuyens - yes. Baden Cooke, I'll give you. The rest of the team are Contador loyalists or nobodies.

That's why they're new buying people you know....

QS sucks as well, but would you also think that a dumb team to move to next year?

Don't underestimate the Riis factor, especially for a Scandinavian. A lot of people had their best season at Saxo, that counts for a lot. Cancellara, Schlecks, Sastre, Basso(perhaps not the best example considering things), Contador(much better form than 2010, think we can agree on that.), Bartoli(brief revival after sucking at Mapei) etc

 

[Christian]

and apparently Sky are also interested in young Luxembourger Bob Jungels, rumour that he may go on the 100% me team for a year.

It's probably more likely that they'll place him with a GB continental squad or with AnPost. I'm sure I read somewhere that Keith Lambert was a DS at AnPost so there could be some agreement already.

... or maybe Designa Kokken or CT Differdange?!

Bob Jungels in talks with LEOPARD TREK, Sky and Saxo Bank among others

http://www.tageblatt.lu/sport/story/Ben-Gastauer-verlaengert-bei-Ag2r-23661552

No seriously though he will go straight to pro. He decided to skip his last year of high school and I doubt he would have done that to race with a Conti squad. He could have just done one more year of U23 and at least gotten a degree.

God I hope it's not Sky though