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Praetor said:
It seems that the Dutch have been specialising in peaking in the u23 category the last decade. Very few can make the complete transition to full blown big names. Even Gesink and Mollema remain just below the top.

Yes, Kelderman is promising, but then again, so were pretty much all of them in their first years. Perhaps he's the one who change it all, otherwise Rabo is doing something seriously wrong.
Might just be because the Rabobank continental team are pretty much already living like pros when they're u23. Thus they have a huge advantage in the u23 ranks, but little room to improve once they enter the elite.

Not that it's a disadvantage per se, but it just makes it seem as if they're more talented than they actually are.
 
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maltiv said:
Might just be because the Rabobank continental team are pretty much already living like pros when they're u23. Thus they have a huge advantage in the u23 ranks, but little room to improve once they enter the elite.

Not that it's a disadvantage per se, but it just makes it seem as if they're more talented than they actually are.

You're right. However i think Wilco Kelderman has a big potential and projection.
 
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maltiv said:
Might just be because the Rabobank continental team are pretty much already living like pros when they're u23. Thus they have a huge advantage in the u23 ranks, but little room to improve once they enter the elite.

Not that it's a disadvantage per se, but it just makes it seem as if they're more talented than they actually are.
The disadvantage is that they might burn out sooner and some of their peak years will be "wasted" racing in the u23 circuit.
 
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Praetor said:
It seems that the Dutch have been specialising in peaking in the u23 category the last decade. Very few can make the complete transition to full blown big names. Even Gesink and Mollema remain just below the top.
Winning Paris-Roubaix U23 just says f.ckall about your potential for the pro version.

Kozontchuk won that race. He isn't even a cobbles rider. You think he peaked too early? Lol.

Yes, Kelderman is promising, but then again, so were pretty much all of them in their first years. Perhaps he's the one who change it all, otherwise Rabo is doing something seriously wrong.
No. It's just that everyone who shows some stage racing potential is considered the next Tour winner, in Holland. Kelderman, or Gesink, or Mollema weren't as good as some of the hyping Dutch would have had you believe. That's not their fault, or Rabobank's. It's the Dutch "build 'em up, tear 'em down" mentality (which you eagerly partake in). Both Gesink and Mollema are currently in the top-10 of the Vuelta. You probably want them to win the race before you're satisfied.


maltiv said:
Might just be because the Rabobank continental team are pretty much already living like pros when they're u23. Thus they have a huge advantage in the u23 ranks, but little room to improve once they enter the elite.

Not that it's a disadvantage per se, but it just makes it seem as if they're more talented than they actually are.
The kids at Rabo Conti are semi pros, with a job or study next to their cycling careers. I don't think it's very different from other development teams, certainly the bigger ones like Jayco or Chipotle.
 
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Yes, Kelderman is promising, but then again, so were pretty much all of them in their first years.
Perhaps he's the one who change it all, otherwise Rabo is doing something seriously wrong.

And that, my dear, sums it up very nicely :rolleyes:
 

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Just to pass the boring waiting time, it could be fun to see how many correct names the old dusty crystal ball could hit, so which new contracts do you think Riis will announce in a few days?

My guess would be:

Bennati
Breschel
Kreuziger
Ignatiev
Steensen
 
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Fidolix said:
Just to pass the boring waiting time, it could be fun to see how many correct names the old dusty crystal ball could hit, so which new contracts do you think Riis will announce in a few days?

My guess would be:

Bennati
Breschel
Kreuziger
Ignatiev
Steensen
:eek: All I see is cr@p riders
 
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maltiv said:
Uhh, Sky has at least 3 riders who are far better than Jungels in the classics.

Winning the u23 Paris-Roubaix doesn't immediately make you a contender in the elite classics, not even close. Just take a look at some of the last winners: Koen de Kort, Vermeltfoor, Popovych...did you see any of those in the finale of P-R this year, or ever?

Popovych would have featured this year in P-R if Cancellara had not crashed at RVV. Coen has had bad crashes and De Kort looked good for this year but crashed.

Overall i agree though.
 
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Cimber said:
Got a feeling Kreuziger will score bigger results and more points that Steensen next year ;)

But all those names aren't exactly riders that win you races. If that is all Riis will sign, Saxo will just be Contador+support again with a top 10 from someone else every now and then.
 
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the Inner Ring @inrng


Alessandro Petacchi, Francesco Chicchi + Fabio Taborre joining Farnese Vini via @velochrono. Sprinters Petacchi & Chicchi replace Guardini.
 
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Strange decision from Chicchi to leave OPQS after doing so well in the small races. Maybe he thinks he can win big races, but I very much doubt that.
 
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If that's all riis signs, would they even make wt?

And any chance that cancellara could still happen ?
 
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El Pistolero said:
Strange decision from Chicchi to leave OPQS after doing so well in the small races. Maybe he thinks he can win big races, but I very much doubt that.

Win big by going in a Pro Conti team?
Plus with Petacchi who will be leader for the main races?

Probably OPQS decided they got enough fast guys even without Chicchi. :confused:
 
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still with riders like
Chicchi
Gatto
Petacchi
Pozzatto
Rabottini

Farnese will be highly visible 2013 (mohahah)
 
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pastronef said:
the Inner Ring @inrng


Alessandro Petacchi, Francesco Chicchi + Fabio Taborre joining Farnese Vini via @velochrono. Sprinters Petacchi & Chicchi replace Guardini.
I believe it is either Petacchi or Chicchi. Scinto tweeted he contracted a sprinter (singular) from a big team.
 
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El Pistolero said:
Strange decision from Chicchi to leave OPQS after doing so well in the small races. Maybe he thinks he can win big races, but I very much doubt that.

Could be interpreted as another sign that Cav is on his way to OPQS of course...
 
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Michele said:
Win big by going in a Pro Conti team?
Plus with Petacchi who will be leader for the main races?

Probably OPQS decided they got enough fast guys even without Chicchi. :confused:

Perhaps a sign they signed Cav.
 
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