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Without changing his rain jacket on the way to Suancés, Alejandro Valverde would have been on the Vuelta podium in 2008. Bad days are something that have to be accounted for. Tejay always seems to have one at present, just as a number of other contenders have before him. Valverde, without his customary bad day, would have a GT palmarès far in excess of what he has (he'd have won the Vuelta back in 2006 for one thing, and could have been in the running for the podium in 2008 without the losses of the Hautacam stage, at least after Kohl was DQed).

At the moment, "Tejay van Garderen: Grand Tour winner" doesn't sit right with me. Something strange would need to happen for that to be sensible. That said, I thought the same with regards to Hesjedal, who apart from in the 2010 Tour accumulated his palmarès just by being sort of there. Tejay is similar in my eyes. There is very little that I remember him doing; he's always there getting into the selections on the mountains, but he's very rarely animating proceedings. He does a good TT that gets him up into a good GC position, but he seldom threatens to actually win one. He was 6th in País Vasco with his best stage performance being 9th (in the TT); in Le Tour he managed 5th to Hautacam and four 6th places in stages. He has accumulated his palmarès - as a result I don't see him as the kind of dynamic rider that goes out there and gets the win. His position gains in the mountains are more where others struggle while he's comfortable than him putting pressure on his adversaries.

I know Hesjedal won a GT like that, but that was against a field of cowards who raced so defensively they nearly let Thomas de Gendt win. Scarponi even said there were stages where Hesjedal was suffering at the back of the lead group and they didn't attack because they underestimated him and thought he'd drop. From what we've seen of Quintana, Aru, Pinot, Rolland, and yes, Nibali, Froome and Contador, they're not likely to be racing like that any time soon. And that 2012 Giro was a bit of a wake up call for a few teams that had been relying on some aging stars like Basso and Scarponi. "Ryder Hesjedal is a GT winner" is still a statement I have some trouble getting my head around.

And of course, there are but 3 GTs in a year. At the moment due to skill-set Tejay winning the Vuelta is an extremely long shot, even with some of the surprise Vuelta winners we've had in recent years. And I can't see there being a field that Tejay will be the class of in the Giro or Tour anytime soon - if he DOES win one it will be one like Hesjedal's where I'm still scratching my head about how it could have happened years later.
 
I didn't think Nibali could win the Tour, yet he did. He was limited as a climber as well, always blew up when trying to follow the real climbers. So yeah... who knows, maybe a year without the Tour will do Tejay lots of good, but of course that won't happen since their next best GC option is Peter Stetina.

Unless BMC sign another young GT prospect. Kelderman springs to mind.
 
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roundabout said:
Without the awful day to Luchon, Van Garderen had the chance to beat Pinot on GC.

And that's in a race with 5 (6) MTF's and despite taking only a minute in the TT.

Yeah and if it was a one day race Kittel would have won!
 
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theyoungest said:
The next GC hope, after Cameron Meyer? :p

He can certainly go uphill, but he's such an unnatural climber that the conversion to a real GT contender will be difficult.

I have stated many times on this forum and elsewhere that I did not rate Meyer. You can look back at the posts of mine which say that, there are many of them. He is only 24 and he shown a lot of promise. Might I add that Evans is an unnatural climber considering his style. He won a climbers TdF and should have won one or two more GTs in his career.
 
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auscyclefan94 said:
I have stated many times on this forum and elsewhere that I did not rate Meyer. You can look back at the posts of mine which say that, there are many of them. He is only 24 and he shown a lot of promise. Might I add that Evans is an unnatural climber considering his style. He won a climbers TdF and should have won one or two more GTs in his career.

Which one's? In '07 Contador was just better and if contador didn't get a flat tire on the stage of tignes that rasmussen won it wouldn't even be close.

I guess Vuelta '09, yea you're right about that. I was too young to really remember but he had a good chance to win the giro '02 right?
 
auscyclefan94 said:
I have stated many times on this forum and elsewhere that I did not rate Meyer. You can look back at the posts of mine which say that, there are many of them. He is only 24 and he shown a lot of promise. Might I add that Evans is an unnatural climber considering his style. He won a climbers TdF and should have won one or two more GTs in his career.
I know, that's why I said it ;)

Porte looked very promising, but he seems quite inconsistent. Dennis barely managed to do one week of the Tour last year, we'll see in the Vuelta this year if his recovery is really that bad.
 
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MTN is really keen on signing some WT riders, especially EBH, but apparently Edvald wants a WT contract , which is quite understandable.I think they should get some decent workhoses like Vermote who can attack too. Steegmans would be great.
 
Libertine Seguros said:
Depends what your expectations are. Currently, I do not think Tejay van Garderen will ever win a GT. He may get a podium if the stars align correctly, but I don't think he'll ever win one. His results in time trials consistently outstrip his results in the mountains and his only mountain win outside the USA is Vallter2000 this year. Although back in 2010 he was 6th to Valdepeñas de Jaén, he has rather neglected his puncheur skills since and his better results are on long and consistent climbs; although he was 6th there once he has been anonymous in races like País Vasco (he got the placement by a good TT after being quiet in the group behind the main contenders throughout - the kind of thing that will get you a placement but will seldom get you wins). With the Vuelta tending towards shorter TTs and more short steep finishes, that isn't suited to him. The Giro's backloading and love of extreme climbing doesn't suit him either. And I feel there will always be somebody better than him at Le Tour.

I know he's still young and has scope to improve. And I know I've been wrong about these things before (I once said "Bradley Wiggins will never do better in a GT than he did in 2009", and "if Sky have any sense, Froome will not be anywhere NEAR the front in [the Vuelta 2011 time trial] so he can save energy for Wiggins in week 2 before Löfkvist takes over as main domestique at the end of the race").

But I don't see a guy who can win a Giro or Vuelta in him due to his skillset; he's best suited to the Tour, and while he's 25, Pinot and Bardet are both two years younger - Pinot's already stronger at the Tour and Bardet was just 2 seconds behind - while this was also a Tour missing its two biggest contenders. Add in that we're likely to see the likes of Urán, Quintana (18 months younger than TJ) and Aru (2 years younger than TJ), not to mention that a guy who was 6th in the Giro and won the GPM at the Tour is a year younger than TJ too. And while he's become a meme on the forum, Wilco Kelderman is younger still and finished 7th in the Giro.

And that's just the guys that are already proven; there are younger prospects still to accommodate in such fields and also remembering there's guys like Nibali, Contador and Froome to accommodate I'm not sure I can envisage a situation where Tejay van Garderen will be the strongest man at a Grand Tour, I'm afraid. He's good enough to keep getting good placements, and maybe he'll improve enough to make the podium a couple of times. But he'll need a good slice of luck and some things going wrong for a few opponents to be able to win the big one, I'm afraid.

Many people wrote off Evans after 2009 but he got his GT finally. I think it's too early to say TJVG won't win a GT but he has to improve his climbing and even though he has made up ground on some of his older rivals he now has to contend with the likes of Quintana, Majka, Aru, Kelderman and many other young riders that are starting to emerge. I think at this stage he has more chance of making a podium than winning but we will see.

Kreuziger, Popovych and many other young riders were all picked to be the next big thing but it never happened for them. It seems there might be other reasons for Kreuziger's recent improvement. Even though there is plenty of hype at the moment, I don't see Bardet or Pinot winning a GT in the near future either. Being young and good does not always mean a GT win will be achievable. I think TJVG has as much chance as them.
 
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Piti4Podiums said:
Marc Soler (Lizarte) is Movistar's first signing for 2015.

Great signing, Soler just looks beautiful on a bike.

Soler, Fernandez, Simon. Spanish talent is underway.
 
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Fernandez? He's not that young, and Avenir was very lucky win ( he did race well, but the favrouites underesimated him on the stage he won the Avenir ).

He'll be good, but not amazing at all.
 
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