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With Mollema and Boom gone .... thats a big loss for Belkin....escpecially for the dutch sponsors. But they keep the most promising riders kelderman and Van Marcke?
 
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With Mollema and Boom gone .... thats a big loss for Belkin....escpecially for the dutch sponsors. But they keep the most promising riders kelderman and Van Marcke?
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According to Berkhout (the manager of Mollema, Vanmarcke, Poels, and others) Kelderman will leave as well. I don't know where he got that information, but that would mean it's just Vanmarcke that remains.

Which would be hilarious, a sponsor with a solely Dutch focus and no Dutch stars, only a Belgian one.
 
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According to Berkhout (the manager of Mollema, Vanmarcke, Poels, and others) Kelderman will leave as well. I don't know where he got that information, but that would mean it's just Vanmarcke that remains.

Which would be hilarious, a sponsor with a solely Dutch focus and no Dutch stars, only a Belgian one.
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They should try and get Dumoulin then, bet Tom would be happy to not burn any more matches in the Giant sprint train.
 
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According to Berkhout (the manager of Mollema, Vanmarcke, Poels, and others) Kelderman will leave as well. I don't know where he got that information, but that would mean it's just Vanmarcke that remains.

Which would be hilarious, a sponsor with a solely Dutch focus and no Dutch stars, only a Belgian one.
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Source? :)
 
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I prefer the best dutch cyclists in a dutch team. it s better that way. For me teams like Astana are a bit fake because there s no real public interest behind teams like that and katusha. I mean when those gov pull the plug then the chances for survival for those teams are really small.

What we need are sponsors like liberty seguros. Big companies who see cycling as an optimal advt vehicel much more then a toy for the leaders of a semi totalitarian regime. The doping cases have scared a lot of big sponsors.
I remember when I was a teenager there where like 14 italian pro teams.:eek:

The FICP ranking was also a lot better then the world tour. Cycling doesnt need a closed system. the local teams should be able to ride the local races.
Teams like aqua sapone diseappeared because they could no longer ride the Giro. Those days it was possible for a small team to have a breaktrough year and go on to ride the tour. The german media has also done a lot of damage to cycling. With the same fierceness they crowned JULlrich as the cycling god they boycot cycling now. I mean there s als lot of doping in Biathlon
etc Just hypocrisy....
The positive now is that you got bigger riders in the giro. But I think there has to be a healthy mix.

Is the boogerd , breukink etc team coming or do they lack sponsors?
 
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Trek announcing big news for their Dutch fans on twitter for tomorrow. Well I wonder ... :eek:
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Note they are not talking about Dutch but Dutch speaking fans. Might as well be Stuyven extening his contract for all we know.

Although one can expect they will announce Mollema tomorrow.
 
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Note they are not talking about Dutch but Dutch speaking fans. Might as well be Stuyven extening his contract for all we know.

Although one can expect they will announce Mollema tomorrow.
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Ya, I'm skeptical. Last time they announced "big 2015 roster news", it was Nizzolo prolonging his contract. While good news, that is far from big news. So I agree, might as well be that Stuyven will be doing a meet and greet in Utah or something.

/edit: Oops, Stuyven isn't in Utah
 
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retzko said:
What we need are sponsors like liberty seguros. Big companies who see cycling as an optimal advt vehicel much more then a toy for the leaders of a semi totalitarian regime. The doping cases have scared a lot of big sponsors.
I remember when I was a teenager there where like 14 italian pro teams.:eek:
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Spanish pro teams 2006:
Caisse d'Epargne-Illes Balears (Navarre) - Pro Tour
Euskaltel-Euskadi (País Vasco) - Pro Tour
Liberty Seguros (Madrid) - Pro Tour
Saunier Duval (Cantabria) - Pro Tour
3 Molinos Resort (Andalucía) - Pro Conti
Andalucía (Andalucía) - Pro Conti
Comunidad Valenciana (Comunidad Valenciana) - Pro Conti
Kaiku (País Vasco) - Pro Conti
Relax-GAM (Aragón) - Pro Conti
Catalunya-Ángel Mir (Catalunya) - Conti
Grupo Nicolas Mateos (Murcía) - Conti
Orbea (País Vasco) - Conti
Spiuk-Extremadura (Extremadura) - Conti
Viña Magna-Cropu (Burgos) - Conti

2014:
Movistar (Navarre) - World Tour
Caja Rural (Navarre) - Pro Conti
Burgos-BH (Burgos) - Conti
Euskadi (País Vasco) - Conti

While there are a few teams that are sort-of based in Spain (Keith Mobel, for example, are Serbian registered, but have a base of mostly Spanish riders for Spanish races and a separate base of mostly Serbian riders for Balkan races, plus the South American-centred teams with a few Spanish riders and Spanish bases, like Team Ecuador), the reduction is huge. And now, all four teams are based in a very small area, that is all contiguous. The Basque-Navarrese amateur scene is probably the strongest in Spain, but it also feeds the whole pro scene (Burgos' sponsor is BH, a bicycle manufacturer based in Vitoria-Gasteiz) in Spain.

Also, nearly every region had its own race. Asturias was 5 days plus the Subida a Urkiola as recently as 2010; the one day race was subsumed into the 2011 edition, and it shrank to 2 days in 2013 before stopping. Cantabria had the Circuito Montáñes, a major amateur race which died off a few years ago. The Vuelta a Navarra continues, but is now amateur. The Vuelta a Aragón died in 2006; Catalunya has its WT race but used to have the Setmana Catalana as well, which also died then. The Vuelta a La Rioja reduced from 3 days to 1 in 2009, and Castilla y León dropped from 5 days to 3 recently too. The Vuelta a Madrid was a Critérium International type race that is now a one-day race (and didn't run this year), while the Vuelta a Murcía dropped from 5 days to 3 in 2011, to 2 in 2012, and then to a one-day race in 2013. Extremadura was a 2.2 race which breathed its last in 2009, while the Euskal Bizikleta merged with País Vasco in 2009 as well.

And of course, as a result Spain is not producing anybody of the requisite level to replace Contador, Valverde and Rodríguez in the public eye, all of whom are the wrong side of 30. Bleak times.
 
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The generation before that in Spain had Heras, Beloki and Jiménez. Slightly before them, Olano. In between you have Freire and Mayo (who is only a year older than Purito). So Spain have had a few "generations" of worthy talents really, on the face of it.

Edit: and Sastre of course! Sorry, Carlos, you deserve mentioning.
 
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If you look at teams like saunier duval, Liberty seguros , rabo , t mobile ... They al quit because of doping.

You would have thougt that after the festina tour something would have changed but LA started a new arms race.

But cycling has become the scapegoat for doping in all sports. I rode in competition myself and yes there is/was a doping culture in cycling but it s not like it has anything to do with long stages etc. You dope to win not to ride longer or faster. And everywhere where is money and fame there ll be cheaters. If you look at the hugely popular biathlon in Germany then you see recently a lot of doping cases ( and less doping controls , no bio pass etc) and still the media keeps covering biathlon there.

Today cycling is the avant garde in the fight against doping because cycling nows that s the only way to survive. But in other sports the stars are protected and the show must go on.

The world tour has been very bad for cycling in terms of overall amount of teams and pro riders. races in china are good for the uci s pockets but they dont bring nothing for cycling. you can't plant races in areas where there is no cycling culture and then put them on the same level as historic races.
Cycling should grow naturally out of the strenght on the EU continent over to the anglosaxon sphere and Colombia , Venezuela etc Russia also because they have great riders. Cycling is no formula 1.
 
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