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Ireland is a small country but also a major market for Sky TV. That's pretty much why they signed Deignan rather than any one of a dozen other good, reliable, climbing domestiques a couple of years ago. There is no particular reason why Sky would want Irish registered riders to change to British registration, unless perhaps they start running out of British riders.
If Sky are interested in Martin or Mullen it will be for exactly the same reasons they are interested in any other rider - they think they can do a job for the money. Almost any team would be very happy to sign Martin for sporting rather than nationality based reasons - he's won two monuments in the last three years and should have won a third. But beyond that general, of course any team would want any very good rider, sort of interest, Sky are one of the less likely teams to sign him because it's hard to see how he fits their needs. They've just signed a leader for the hilly classics and they already have a ludicrous number of fringe GC men, most of whom would make better candidates for reliable slave work.
Mullen is still a kid, so it will be interesting to see where he ends up, but again that won't have much to do with his registration. Although I am a bit curious as to how come one of the most promising TT talents in the world can grow up in Wales and not end up in the BC system. It makes total sense that Martin, a miniature climber/puncheur, was never going to fit into a track centered system. But Mullen surely should be exactly the kind of rider they focus on. Does anyone know what happened there?
TMP402 said:
Ireland is a small country but also a major market for Sky TV. That's pretty much why they signed Deignan rather than any one of a dozen other good, reliable, climbing domestiques a couple of years ago. There is no particular reason why Sky would want Irish registered riders to change to British registration, unless perhaps they start running out of British riders.
If Sky are interested in Martin or Mullen it will be for exactly the same reasons they are interested in any other rider - they think they can do a job for the money. Almost any team would be very happy to sign Martin for sporting rather than nationality based reasons - he's won two monuments in the last three years and should have won a third. But beyond that general, of course any team would want any very good rider, sort of interest, Sky are one of the less likely teams to sign him because it's hard to see how he fits their needs. They've just signed a leader for the hilly classics and they already have a ludicrous number of fringe GC men, most of whom would make better candidates for reliable slave work.
Mullen is still a kid, so it will be interesting to see where he ends up, but again that won't have much to do with his registration. Although I am a bit curious as to how come one of the most promising TT talents in the world can grow up in Wales and not end up in the BC system. It makes total sense that Martin, a miniature climber/puncheur, was never going to fit into a track centered system. But Mullen surely should be exactly the kind of rider they focus on. Does anyone know what happened there?
Mullen went to the same cycling club Brailford went to in North Wales, I presume his parents (or at least one of them) must have originally been from Ireland.
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Yes he's of Irish extraction, of course, but it seems odd that BC didn't snap him up. They could after all offer him a place in a programme that's incomparably better resourced than anything CI could offer, and the BC programme is focused on riders of exactly his abilities.
del1962 said:
Yes he's of Irish extraction, of course, but it seems odd that BC didn't snap him up. They could after all offer him a place in a programme that's incomparably better resourced than anything CI could offer, and the BC programme is focused on riders of exactly his abilities.
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Some Britons of Irish descent feel more Irish than British, and some are less interested in identity but are rubbed up the wrong way/see an opportunity to use their Irish passport. I would say Dan Martin falls into this latter category; if the cycling authorities in Britain were less consumed with track, I think Britain would have won all the monuments but Roubaix by now. As for Mullen, it seems like identity rather than career interests - he refers to his father being Irish here http://www.veloveritas.co.uk/2015/01/08/ryan-mullen-jan15/ - and there's also this:
http://rouleur.cc/journal/riders/ryan-mullen-interview
http://rouleur.cc/journal/riders/ryan-mullen-interview
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Ignite a spark?
Haha, thats what they were hoping for when he joined QS then Katusha then Farnese Vini then Lampre. That boy is done and other than a very little helper role during the classics he got no other business in today's pro peloton.
Would that be good for him?
Maybe for him but not for anyone else
irondan said:
Ignite a spark?
Haha, thats what they were hoping for when he joined QS then Katusha then Farnese Vini then Lampre. That boy is done and other than a very little helper role during the classics he got no other business in today's pro peloton.
Would that be good for him?
Maybe for him but not for anyone else
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If you're sentimental he's a bit of a talisman. If you're not, he's on way too much at maybe €500k a year.
Jancouver said:irondan said:
Ignite a spark?
Haha, thats what they were hoping for when he joined QS then Katusha then Farnese Vini then Lampre. That boy is done and other than a very little helper role during the classics he got no other business in today's pro peloton.
Would that be good for him?
Maybe for him but not for anyone else
If you're sentimental he's a bit of a talisman. If you're not, he's on way too much at maybe €500k a year.
Bernie Eisel said in a panel show that its very likely that the signs a new 2-year contract with sky.
He also said that half of the sky transfer rumours are wrong...
He also said that half of the sky transfer rumours are wrong...
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Don't agree. THis year during early season he was on quite good form. Unfortunately got sick during the week after San Remo and couldn't start E3 or GW but still managed to finish alongside the other favourites in de Ronde which was quite impressive for someone who couldn't race the week before.
Jancouver said:irondan said:
Ignite a spark?
Haha, thats what they were hoping for when he joined QS then Katusha then Farnese Vini then Lampre. That boy is done and other than a very little helper role during the classics he got no other business in today's pro peloton.
Would that be good for him?
Maybe for him but not for anyone else
Don't agree. THis year during early season he was on quite good form. Unfortunately got sick during the week after San Remo and couldn't start E3 or GW but still managed to finish alongside the other favourites in de Ronde which was quite impressive for someone who couldn't race the week before.
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You got to remember when Dan Martin joined BC alongside Cavendish it was 2004. The Tuscan base for those ultimately heading in the road direction (Mark Cavendish, Geraint Thomas, Peter Kennaugh and Ian Stannard etc) didn't need to wait because they were already on the endurance track program. Dan Martin would have wasted 2 years.
The most interesting group of riders now are probably Simon Yates, Owain Doull and Andy Fenn who went through the British Cycling Academy in Italy compared to Adam Yates and Tao Geoghegan Hart who haven't.
PS. Dan Martin was born and raised in Britain (Tamworth) to a British Dad, Irish Mum. Him now riding for Ireland instead of Britain is no different than Froome now riding for Britain instead of Kenya. Where you are born and raised doesn't decide your Nationality, it's whatever Nationalities your mother and father are and how that State claims offspring or not.
TMP402 said:
You got to remember when Dan Martin joined BC alongside Cavendish it was 2004. The Tuscan base for those ultimately heading in the road direction (Mark Cavendish, Geraint Thomas, Peter Kennaugh and Ian Stannard etc) didn't need to wait because they were already on the endurance track program. Dan Martin would have wasted 2 years.
The most interesting group of riders now are probably Simon Yates, Owain Doull and Andy Fenn who went through the British Cycling Academy in Italy compared to Adam Yates and Tao Geoghegan Hart who haven't.
PS. Dan Martin was born and raised in Britain (Tamworth) to a British Dad, Irish Mum. Him now riding for Ireland instead of Britain is no different than Froome now riding for Britain instead of Kenya. Where you are born and raised doesn't decide your Nationality, it's whatever Nationalities your mother and father are and how that State claims offspring or not.
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It is a contract year, but it's all expectations and money, I think most would agree that he hasn’t met the potential he had and at 33 he’s not due a leading role, but for the right money I think he could still have a role especially for a team desperate for a plan b.
Billie said:
It is a contract year, but it's all expectations and money, I think most would agree that he hasn’t met the potential he had and at 33 he’s not due a leading role, but for the right money I think he could still have a role especially for a team desperate for a plan b.
Bloody hell, Sky have signed Tao Geoghegan Hart lol! Him and Peters as stagiaires, this was who Brailsford was on about afterall as exciting young riders!
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Right, this might already have been covered earlier, but who's Michael Gogl? He's on Tinkoff-Saxo's start list for the Tour of Denmark. A stagiare?
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Still doesnt mean Brailsford was talkinb about them, that they were comming was already almost certain. But he could still have been talking about Moscon or a young rider who is already pro and joining Sky like Kwiatkowski (if he is comming, which seems likely).
samhocking said:
Still doesnt mean Brailsford was talkinb about them, that they were comming was already almost certain. But he could still have been talking about Moscon or a young rider who is already pro and joining Sky like Kwiatkowski (if he is comming, which seems likely).
According to Diario Vasco, Gorka is heading to Sky, Ion stays with Movistar. The brothers will be seperated.
http://www.diariovasco.com/deportes/ciclismo/201507/29/hermanos-izagirre-separan-20150729003223-v.html
http://www.diariovasco.com/deportes/ciclismo/201507/29/hermanos-izagirre-separan-20150729003223-v.html
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Yep. http://cykelmagasinet.dk/tinkoff-saxo-med-3-danskere-til-post-danmark-rundt
Google translate : Additionally, it is worth noting that the team has taken stagieren Michael GOGL from Austria, normally running for continental team Tirol Cycling Team.
RedheadDane said:
Yep. http://cykelmagasinet.dk/tinkoff-saxo-med-3-danskere-til-post-danmark-rundt
Google translate : Additionally, it is worth noting that the team has taken stagieren Michael GOGL from Austria, normally running for continental team Tirol Cycling Team.
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Bennati has been a good domestique on Tinkoff-Saxo which he showed in this Tour. Tosatto is getting old but has been a valuable domestique for the last couple of years as well.
Basso has been a failure though and I think Pozzato would be as well.
TMP402 said:
Bennati has been a good domestique on Tinkoff-Saxo which he showed in this Tour. Tosatto is getting old but has been a valuable domestique for the last couple of years as well.
Basso has been a failure though and I think Pozzato would be as well.
Nibali may leave Astana next year (after 2016). Reported offers from BMC and Trek Factory. Also says that Nibs is considering starting his own team... I wonder if he will be more creative than to simply capitalize his last name.
http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/07/news/report-change-on-the-horizon-for-nibali_379941#wCF5p4o370b2cAyS.99
http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/07/news/report-change-on-the-horizon-for-nibali_379941#wCF5p4o370b2cAyS.99
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