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But honestly, those comparisons don't make much sense imho. First of all, in order to get into F1, you need a lot of money. Even carting costs bucketloads. And there are simply not nearly as many people in this sports branch as in football or cycling. In a country where there are literally thousands of cyclists and footballers in youth divisions, you'll be hard pressed to find a few dozen that get into a decent level of motorsports.
And while every European town, and even village, has its own football club, there are only 18 WT cycling teams... worldwide. Even a 2nd division Belgian football club, has a bigger budget, than a top cycling outfit like DQS.
Basically, there is a lot less money in cycling, even for the best teams in the world, compared to football. Then there is but a fraction of teams worldwide, compared to football, where a cyclist can go to build a career.
Sure every teamsport has teams look for talent as early as possible, the difference is, because of this discrepancy in budgets between football and cycling, in football it actually "makes sense", to throw money at every somewhat talented player, hoping he develops into a top player. There are still plenty of teams to loan them out to. This isn't the case in cycling, since there are only a fraction of teams to begin with, and there simply isn't the budget to attract 500 cyclists per team. In football, 500 youth players is nothing, for an ambitious club.
Enter Ineos. They do have the budget to throw at riders, hoping to come good. And that's what they've been doing. Buy buy buy buy, regardless of what happens to these riders when they start canibalizing their own teammates. There is no way of knowing if a 17 year old cycling talent, is ever going to live up to expectations, that's why in cycling, it often takes up to 24 - 25 before riders show their true potential. Peaking between 28-32. In football, if you haven't shown your potential before turning 18, chances are they'll have cut you lose by then. If Ineos is going to start buying every talented 17 year old, hoping to come good 10 years down the line, they'll leave a graveyard of wrecked careers and wasted potential.
Yes, i know this is standard practice in Football. I know Formula 1 has teams do similar things...Anderis said:I don't think it's Ineos' fault. I see similar patterns in other sports disciplines. Teams try to snatch the biggest talents as fast as possible.to reap benefits later on. It's easier to scout the best talents in lower ranks than it was not so long ago because the access to information in general in all aspects of life has been increasing rapidly with modern technology. Teams have to do that in order to keep up because there's no reason not to try to secure the biggest talents in advance before others lock them up on long-term deals. Of course for every next big star there might be 3 or 4 guys promoted too early or not being able to deliver the promise but that how it goes. Having that next Sagan or Bernal at your team as soon as possible and not only after they have proven themselves is worth it even if it doesn't work out like that with every rider you try. Also having these riders under the best training staff etc. might accelerate their development compared to them being groomed steadily in lesser teams.Logic-is-your-friend said:Can't help but think teams are trying to beat Ineos to the punch, with them snatching Sosa, Bernal, Sivakov, Dunbar, Hart... early on. We know they were going after Evenepoel as well, and that under normal circumstances, Evenepoel was going to ride for Hagen Bermans Axeon, for at least 6 to 12 months, before moving to DQS. It was because Sky made a move, DQS were forced to reel him in immediately and have him skip the U23 alltogether.DNP-Old said:Yup. I’m certain that if you threw Van Wilder, who was great as a junior, but unfortunately overshadowed by the insanity of Remco, and currently is one of the best first year U23s in years to World Tour level, he wouldn’t do anything noteworthy for a year or two. This needs to stop.LaFlorecita said:Exactly. These boys should be nurtured at (pro) Conti level for a year or two, not thrown into the deep end. Not all talents are Evenepoel, Sagan or Bernal.DNP-Old said:Seems like a new trend is unfolding, because it is rumoured Tiberi and Piccolo, two of Italy’s biggest talents in years, will follow the example and turn pro with Trek and Astana respectively. Very bad development. Remco isn’t the norm.
Marco Brenner is by far the best junior this season at 16 years old. What’s next, him turning pro with BORA at the age of 17? For every successful rider, there’ll be many more failures, and it’s a massive waste of exciting talent.
I honestly do think that has changed the way teams are looking for young talent.
Imagine Ineos snatching Evenepoel and Pogacar as well. We could stop watching GT's for the next 10 years.
As I said, it's not because of Ineos because it happens in other disciplines. For example in F1 20 or 30 years ago a typical career would look like: you spend many years driving less powerful cars, step up to F1 in your mid 20-ties, spend a couple of seasons with back/midfield team and prove yourself an option for a top team this way. Nowadays you step up to lower racing series at 16, if you're good, you're snatched by one of the big teams within a year or two and getting bond with a long-term commitment. By late teens or early 20-ties the big team has found a seat at back/midfield F1 team for you, you have 1-2 years for yourself to prove and either they see a next Hamilton in you and put you immediately in a top seat or they do not and you hope to land one of the few remaining midfield seats left or you retire from F1 at 22-23 years old. Also in soccer they even had to introduce some rules to prevent the biggest clubs from transferring children from all over the world to their youth teams if I'm not mistaken because it was happening on a large scale.
Btw. I'm surprised we seem not to have any significant transfer confirmed, yet (as least for men's WT). IIRC a couple of years ago several teams ruished to confirm some transfers by afternoon of August 1st.
But honestly, those comparisons don't make much sense imho. First of all, in order to get into F1, you need a lot of money. Even carting costs bucketloads. And there are simply not nearly as many people in this sports branch as in football or cycling. In a country where there are literally thousands of cyclists and footballers in youth divisions, you'll be hard pressed to find a few dozen that get into a decent level of motorsports.
And while every European town, and even village, has its own football club, there are only 18 WT cycling teams... worldwide. Even a 2nd division Belgian football club, has a bigger budget, than a top cycling outfit like DQS.
Basically, there is a lot less money in cycling, even for the best teams in the world, compared to football. Then there is but a fraction of teams worldwide, compared to football, where a cyclist can go to build a career.
Sure every teamsport has teams look for talent as early as possible, the difference is, because of this discrepancy in budgets between football and cycling, in football it actually "makes sense", to throw money at every somewhat talented player, hoping he develops into a top player. There are still plenty of teams to loan them out to. This isn't the case in cycling, since there are only a fraction of teams to begin with, and there simply isn't the budget to attract 500 cyclists per team. In football, 500 youth players is nothing, for an ambitious club.
Enter Ineos. They do have the budget to throw at riders, hoping to come good. And that's what they've been doing. Buy buy buy buy, regardless of what happens to these riders when they start canibalizing their own teammates. There is no way of knowing if a 17 year old cycling talent, is ever going to live up to expectations, that's why in cycling, it often takes up to 24 - 25 before riders show their true potential. Peaking between 28-32. In football, if you haven't shown your potential before turning 18, chances are they'll have cut you lose by then. If Ineos is going to start buying every talented 17 year old, hoping to come good 10 years down the line, they'll leave a graveyard of wrecked careers and wasted potential.