Transfers "Rumours & Reality" and Young Guns

[Clemson Cycling]

Heck, how did Lance miss this signing? Would've been a good fit over at the Old Folks Home.

They are only 1.9 years older then Sky on average

17 Riders Confirmed at Team Sky: 26.7
22 Riders Confirmed at Team Radioshack: 28.6

This Radioshack is roughly the same age as Saxo Bank's team for this year (28.33)

 

[Mellow Velo]

They are only 1.9 years older then Sky on average

17 Riders Confirmed at Team Sky: 26.7
22 Riders Confirmed at Team Radioshack: 28.6

This Radioshack is roughly the same age as Saxo Bank's team for this year (28.33)

Now work out the average age of the Shack's probable Tour team.

 

[Clemson Cycling]

Right after I work out how well Sky will do at the Tour. The average age of the top 20 at the Tour this year (something that Sky will not be a part of in 2010) was 30.2 anyway.

Lance Armstrong- 38
Janez Brajkovič- 25
Chris Horner-37
Andreas Klöden- 34
Levi Leipheimer- 35
Sérgio Paulinho- 29
Yaroslav Popovych- 29
José Luis Rubiera- 36
Tomas Vaitkus- 27
Average: 32.22 Right now probably closer to 33 by the time the Tour comes around.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Unless Sky sort out their paperwork, they won't be at the Tour.
I'd settle for Saxo and I'd bet Garmin wouldn't be much under 30, either.

I reckon 28-32 is Tour peak, so it doesn't sound so bad......
.....could get it down to that if they dropped Lance.

 

[Publicus]

Right after I work out how well Sky will do at the Tour. The average age of the top 20 at the Tour this year (something that Sky will not be a part of in 2010) was 30.2 anyway.

Lance Armstrong- 38
Janez Brajkovič- 25
Chris Horner-37
Andreas Klöden- 34
Levi Leipheimer- 35
Sérgio Paulinho- 29
Yaroslav Popovych- 29
José Luis Rubiera- 36
Tomas Vaitkus- 27
Average: 32.22 Right now probably closer to 33 by the time the Tour comes around.

I think the important distinction is not the average of the team, but the average of the so-called big guns: Armstrong, Horner, Kloden and Leipheimer. If my math is right, the average is 36.

 

[aarnold517]

Right after I work out how well Sky will do at the Tour. The average age of the top 20 at the Tour this year (something that Sky will not be a part of in 2010) was 30.2 anyway.

Lance Armstrong- 38
Janez Brajkovič- 25
Chris Horner-37
Andreas Klöden- 34
Levi Leipheimer- 35
Sérgio Paulinho- 29
Yaroslav Popovych- 29
José Luis Rubiera- 36
Tomas Vaitkus- 27
Average: 32.22 Right now probably closer to 33 by the time the Tour comes around.

dear lord, popovych is only 29? it seems like he's been around forever...and that means that his best years should still be coming since riders usually peak around 30-32

 

[Clemson Cycling]

Armstrong, Horner, Kloden and Leipheimer. If my math is right, the average is 36.

What is wrong with that. Those guys are three (forget Horner) of the top 10 GC riders in the world right now

 

[Publicus]

What is wrong with that. Those guys are three (forget Horner) of the top 10 GC riders in the world right now

You mean besides the fact that they are old (relatively speaking), that they can't match accelerations in the big mountains or that they are prone to injury? Nothing I guess. An ideal core for a team whose success is solely determined on the outcome of one race. If I was picking a TdF team, they wouldn't be the first 3 riders I took. But we are all entitled to our opinion.

 

[Bala Verde]

Let's keep it on topic guys.

CN just reported that Contador, according to UCI, is free to go.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Let's keep it on topic guys.

CN just reported that Contador, according to UCI, is free to go.

A tenuous topic link, in itself.
Nevertheless: The UCI with their rather poorly disguised agenda.
I wouldn't trust their utterings. Contador is right to have his own legal team check out his options, first.

McQuaid never seems to see the bigger picture.
If true, this means none of Team Sky's contracts are worth the paper they are written on.

What's the odds on the next UCI proclaimation being that Caisse, Euskatel and Sky are now legit?

 

[Publicus]

A tenuous topic link, in itself.
Nevertheless: The UCI with their rather poorly disguised agenda.
I wouldn't trust their utterings. Contador is right to have his own legal team check out his options, first.

McQuaid never seems to see the bigger picture.
If true, this means none of Team Sky's contracts are worth the paper they are written on.

What's the odds on the next UCI proclaimation being that Caisse, Euskatel and Sky are now legit?

The contracts are all valid. I assume the new contracts aren't "effective" until January 1 so this clause wouldn't apply to them. And even if it is, it doesn't change the validity of the contract. It just provides the rider with a termination right.

 

[journalguy]

The contracts are all valid. I assume the new contracts aren't "effective" until January 1 so this clause wouldn't apply to them. And even if it is, it doesn't change the validity of the contract. It just provides the rider with a termination right.

Has anyone seen any report regarding how long the riders' right to terminate lasts? I haven't. It's possible that it lasts all the way until the start of the 2010 cycling season, regardless of whether Astana, Sky, and the other teams correct the technical deficiencies that existed on October 20.

 

[Publicus]

Has anyone seen any report regarding how long the riders' right to terminate lasts? I haven't. It's possible that it lasts all the way until the start of the 2010 cycling season, regardless of whether Astana, Sky, and the other teams correct the technical deficiencies that existed on October 20.

My guess, and this is purely a guess, is that it survives until the team is granted it's license/license is reaffirmed. In a sense, Astana can close the door on this just as quickly as they opened it by getting their paperwork in order and having the UCI reaffirm their license. But that's pure speculation on my part.

 

[Mellow Velo]

The contracts are all valid. I assume the new contracts aren't "effective" until January 1 so this clause wouldn't apply to them. And even if it is, it doesn't change the validity of the contract. It just provides the rider with a termination right.

Which is what I am saying.
If a rider is free to change their mind, with no penalty, then their written contracts are no better than a verbal agreement.
Were someone to come along with a better offer, or even simply a change of mind, they could opt out.

If the magical clause does not apply to these contracts, but was added to new contracts in July, who has a contract that is applicable?
I doubt that multi-year contracts could be updated, in this manner without the agreement of all parties.
Or, if you say, new contracts aren't "effective" until January, no signing is obliged to honour them, should they choose not to.

Anyhow, it all remains hypothetical.

My guess, and this is purely a guess, is that it survives until the team is granted it's license/license is reaffirmed. In a sense, Astana can close the door on this just as quickly as they opened it by getting their paperwork in order and having the UCI reaffirm their license. But that's pure speculation on my part.

Makes sense to me.

 

[Publicus]

Which is what I am saying.
If a rider is free to change their mind, with no penalty, then their written contracts are no better than a verbal agreement.
Were someone to come along with a better offer, or even simply a change of mind, they could opt out.

If the magical clause does not apply to these contracts, but was added to new contracts in July, who has a contract that is applicable?
I doubt that multi-year contracts could be updated, in this manner without the agreement of all parties.
Or, if you say, new contracts aren't "effective" until January, no signing is obliged to honour them, should they choose not to.

Anyhow, it all remains hypothetical.



Makes sense to me.

I think that was the point of including the clause. I don't think the teams took it very seriously or paid much attention to the clause. Given the chaos at Astana over the last two months, you can almost understand how it happened. Almost.

As for whether this provision applies to an existing contract, I could make a strong argument that it does (I think I have laid it out in another thread, so I won't repeat it). Here in the states, credit card companies reserve the right to modify their contracts at any time. Similarly the UCI reserves the right to modify its regulations at any time and they are applicable to riders and licensees alike once adopted (it's not as if they only apply to those renewing their licenses or applying for new licenses). Why this would provision be treated any differently? A reasonable argument would be that it shouldn't.

 

[journalguy]

My guess, and this is purely a guess, is that it survives until the team is granted it's license/license is reaffirmed. In a sense, Astana can close the door on this just as quickly as they opened it by getting their paperwork in order and having the UCI reaffirm their license. But that's pure speculation on my part.

That's certainly a reasonable interpretation. My own take on it is based on the statements I saw this morning to the effect that the purpose of the new rule was to give riders more than a couple of weeks to find a new team and negotiate a new contract, which is all they had previously when they often had to wait for the licensing commission's decisions in late November-early December. If the termination right is cut off merely by the commission's decision next month on the team's license extension, then the riders have gained nothing under the new rule. Consequently, my guess is that the affected riders probably have until year-end to finalize a new deal.

 

[checked]

My guess is UCI is requiring Astana (+ all other teams) to submit modified riders contract to conform to the "now" standard UCI rider/team contract w/c should include 2.15.139 article 8.1.f?

If Astana conforms, AC is free to go. If Astana do not conform=no Astana accreditation, AC is also free to go!!!!!!

 

[craig1985]

In other news, Colnago have started up a team, but this time it is only Italians and they are under hte age of 25, with the exception of Domenico Pozzovivo, who is 25, and won a stage at the Settimana Lombarda. Also on the roster is Marco Frapporti, a winner of a stage of the Giro della Provincia di Grosseto, and Filippo Savini who last year won a stage of the Presidential Tour of Turkey and the Tour de Langkawi.

Colnago CSF Inox

Manuel Belletti
Alessandro Bisolti
Gianluca Brambilla
Federico Canuti
Alberto Contoli
Marco Frapporti
Michele Gaia
Mattia Gavazzi
Alan Marangoni
Sacha Modolo
Marcello Pavarin
Stefano Pirazzi
Domenico Pozzovivo
Filippo Savini
Simone Stortoni
Enrico Zen

 

[issoisso]

In other news, Colnago have started up a team, but this time it is only Italians and they are under hte age of 25, with the exception of Domenico Pozzovivo, who is 25, and won a stage at the Settimana Lombarda. Also on the roster is Marco Frapporti, a winner of a stage of the Giro della Provincia di Grosseto, and Filippo Savini who last year won a stage of the Presidential Tour of Turkey and the Tour de Langkawi.

Colnago CSF Inox

Manuel Belletti
Alessandro Bisolti
Gianluca Brambilla
Federico Canuti
Alberto Contoli
Marco Frapporti
Michele Gaia
Mattia Gavazzi
Alan Marangoni
Sacha Modolo
Marcello Pavarin
Stefano Pirazzi
Domenico Pozzovivo
Filippo Savini
Simone Stortoni
Enrico Zen

The team's been around for years. They just have a new co-sponsor to replace navigare: Colnago. For years they were known as Ceramica Panaria.

They've also signed Pirazzi, Modolo, Gavazzi, Contolli and Belletti, while releasing the Richeze brothers, Baliani and Bongiorno at the end of their respective contracts. The rest of the squad remains from this season.

 

[filipo]

Clearly they're loosing strenght, my point is simply that I don't think they're about to colapse or degrade into a second rate team or anything.

losing losing losing losing losing losing losing

Aiee, that double O!

 

[filipo]

They are only 1.9 years older then Sky on average

than than than than than than than than than than

Jesus ****ing Christ...

 

[craig1985]

Ok I'll bite, raise your hand if you have never heard of Damiano Caruso until Astana were thinking about signing him?

*Raises hand*

 

[badboyberty]

Ok I'll bite, raise your hand if you have never heard of Damiano Caruso until Astana were thinking about signing him?

*Raises hand*

D Caruso, isn't he this guy?

 

[issoisso]

Ok I'll bite, raise your hand if you have never heard of Damiano Caruso until Astana were thinking about signing him?

*Raises hand*

*raises paw*

One of italy's most promising and hyped youths.

 

[Rominger]

That's called a chewbacca defense. Countering with something completely unrelated that seems at a quick glance to be a logical conclusion of the above, when it's actually completely out of left field.

When did I say anything like that? When did I say cyclo-crossers shouldn't get a chance? I said the opposite. That they're quite good at certain types of racers and even gave examples.

So, keep on pretending that I said cyclo-crossers are awful, keep on pretending I said they shouldn't get a chance, etc. etc. If it makes you feel all fuzzy inside

"Roger de Vlaeminck was awful. he's the worst rider I've ever seen". Happy now?

ridiculous...

Comical to say the least, your comment is that crossers do not cross over to cobbles well, thats what is often called a generalisation, I merely pointed out the most famous example of a crosser doing cobbles quite well, he's not the only example by a long chalk (Adri Van Der Poel springs to mind, so perhaps they just happen every 20 years?) and my point is/was that its unfair to make such generalisations, if we all made those then clearly Armstrong would never have won the tour because he was 'just' a classics rider in many peoples eyes.