Tyler Hamilton confessions/accusations

[Oldman]

+1

Add to your list, the brain trust running USAC is tightly connected to Wonderboy's development team. Tailwind and the top of USAC need to go far, FAR away from the sport.

One detail is right on the tip of this issue; will Tyler disclose the USAC coaching activity that started this before he even turned pro? There are many that know the sort of shelter the staff provided for riders that wanted to provide them with results.

 

[MacRoadie]

Best quote from The Daily Beast article:

“It’s unfortunate they won’t do an interview with us,” Fager said. “If he never did anything, fine, come on 60 Minutes and tell us.”

I think LA will find that giving the chairman of CBS News the run around is a little different that leading a cycling reporter around by a leash...

 

[ManInFull]

I think Hincapie told the truth before GJ, otherwise he would not have reacted so defensivly ("no comment", meaning leave me alone). He would have more acted like Ochowicz.

Well, I wish we could find out what Hincappie told the GJ. If he admits anything, then we'd have that "spotless" teammate confirming Floyd's and Hamilton's claims.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Well, I wish we could find out what Hincappie told the GJ. If he admits anything, then we'd have that "spotless" teammate confirming Floyd's and Hamilton's claims.

That would certainly make the true believer's job that much more difficult. But I bet some of them are up to it.

Final fall back fanboy position- so what everybody was doing it.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Sorry, wasn't trying to answer for kurt, just trying to interpret what he was saying True about Heras, but the reason that he kept those other Vuelta wins was because there was no evidence specifically for those races, which may in the end be true of Armstrong vis a vis his Tour wins.

So even if it's obvious that he was doping during that period (which it is to anyone who follows the sport and which imo is going to become common knowledge to the general public soon enough), if there's nothing specifically linking him to doping during those Tours - if there is no retro positive Tour sample or a confession of doping during a specific Tour, etc - I can't see how the UCI could strip his Tour wins when they haven't done the same for Heras, Vino, Valverde, etc.

I suppose the question is, would it be enough if in the end 3 or 4 or 5 USPS riders testified that they saw Armstrong doping during this or that Tour to "justify" the UCI stripping his title for those specific Tours?

And even if they did strip all 7 Tour titles, is anyone going to consider Zulle, Ullrich, Beloki, Kloden, and Basso as the "rightful" winners? We're just as cynical about them as we are about Armstrong. I have no sympathy for the UCI whatsoever, but I think sorting all of this out is going to become pretty damn messy.

The UCI? They will have little input in this as its being conducted by USADA.

As I said earlier, witness testimony and a picture of Leograndes arm were enough to convict him. Travis Tygart of USADA has been sitting in on the ongoing investigation, he even was with Novitzky when they visited Europe back in November. They have a lot more than just riders witnessing LA dope.

Again - the SOL is 8 years (running from this time last year) so it will be for 2002 on.

 

[Cobblestoned]

Don't you hate it when the haters turn out to be right all along.

All along ? Well thats just a rumour.

However, thats just so genius and quiet hard.
Wow. Your greatness just blows me away regularly. And who would have really expected that Tyler would come out now during ToC to promote himself, Lance and ToC.
My source really failed. Tyler was 2 days late.

Anyway, your hit-rate is ca.50%. You just forget all the failures. Hard not to hit if you use clusterbombs and posts can actually mean everything.
Time for polish's list of hater's epic fails.

Lance will...
Lance won't...


All the best to Mr.Hamilton anyway. Hope he feels better now that all the pressure is gone.
Haters stealing all his glory. Must feel strange.

 

[blackcat]

how much does Tyler look like Andy D!ck in the interview?

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query="tyler+hamilton"+"60+minutes"+Armstrong&aq=f

Andy Priapus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u_T19x1ohc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBe76emkSo4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mcCHaY4QJY&feature=related

 

[dbrower]

Yup. I can't see the 'tearful confession' scenario ever being an option, he's spent too long being bullish about it.

Thing is, LA still has a lot of capital with the Great American Public. If he maintains the lie, even if he does time for it, he can still come out at the end of it with fans and a living to be made. If anything he stands to lose more by confessing.

Yes, the Oliver North and Gordon Liddy approach.

-dB

 

[blackcat]

APB goes out to all squad cars, we are looking for a group of 4 white males, bourgeois types, either in chinos or lycra, middle aged existential crisis types, doping facilitators. They go by the name of "Hombre", "Chris H", Whareagle, and dbrower.

Call for back up, and Novi.

 

[mr. tibbs]

All snipped, just wanted to reference your avatar

That avatar makes me kinda sad, 'stoned. I remember waking up every morning in July to catch the last couple of hours of each stage of that Tour on Vs, and then hop out for a quick, hard ride before class/work.

Lance got me into cycling, and seeing him take those wins and complete that Tour was just magic. But I cannot abide what he has become/really was all along. I don't mind doping. I still like Ullrich. I like Klodi. I like Valverde. I like Vino and Contador and Schleck. But Armstrong is just unbelievable. Shady "charity" stuff aside, he has ruined lives in order to protect himself. He's not just denying it, but he's actively going after people who will no longer play his game, who will no longer protect him.

Sucks. That was an amazing Tour, though.

 

[pedaling squares]

Let's take the psychoanalysis of Lance Armstrong into his thread and leave this one for posts that relate to Tyler Hamilton. I'll review the past few pages and might move those posts there if they don't fit here, so if you don't see something you are looking for, check there.

Thanks.


EDIT: I moved 6 posts, this thread didn't seem choppy afterwards. Please continue that discussion in the LA thread if you care to address it further.

 

[D-Queued]

APB goes out to all squad cars, we are looking for a group of 4 white males, bourgeois types, either in chinos or lycra, middle aged existential crisis types, doping facilitators. They go by the name of "Hombre", "Chris H", Whareagle, and dbrower.

Call for back up, and Novi.

Don't forget Bill Hue.

At least one of those appears to be trying to change the modus operandi. But, any and all should be encourage to provide us with a mea culpa.

Dave.

 

[dbrower]

So, what's your guesses? Is Hincapie squeezing the last bit of goodwill out of HWSNBN before It All Ends, or has he really lied before grand jury?
It's a tough coin to flip.

I'd guess he's hoping to play it out quietly until he hands it up, fattening the retirement fund, and then going to tell the truth when he is obliged to by circumstance. So, truth to the grand jury, and silence until GJ testimony is revealed and/or compelled into open court.

-dB

 

[D-Queued]

Let's take the psychoanalysis of Lance Armstrong into his thread and leave this one for posts that relate to Tyler Hamilton. I'll review the past few pages and might move those posts there if they don't fit here, so if you don't see something you are looking for, check there.

Thanks.

Thanks.

Dave.

 

[spalco]

You really find stupid to be sexy?

A german proverb says "dumm fickt gut".

 

[krebs303]

Hamilton Surrendering His Gold Medal
The American cyclist Tyler Hamilton, the 2004 Olympic gold medalist in the time trial, has voluntarily surrendered his gold medal to the United States Anti-Doping Agency after admitting to doping during his cycling career, the International Olympic Committee said Friday.

 

[spalco]

Very good. Right thing to do.

 

[Barrus]

Hamilton Surrendering His Gold Medal
The American cyclist Tyler Hamilton, the 2004 Olympic gold medalist in the time trial, has voluntarily surrendered his gold medal to the United States Anti-Doping Agency after admitting to doping during his cycling career, the International Olympic Committee said Friday.

I did not expect this

 

[pedaling squares]

Chapeau, Tyler.

 

[VeloCity]

The UCI? They will have little input in this as its being conducted by USADA.

As I said earlier, witness testimony and a picture of Leograndes arm were enough to convict him. Travis Tygart of USADA has been sitting in on the ongoing investigation, he even was with Novitzky when they visited Europe back in November. They have a lot more than just riders witnessing LA dope.

Again - the SOL is 8 years (running from this time last year) so it will be for 2002 on.

The UCI will be the one's determining whether or not Armstrong keeps his Tour titles, not USADA.

 

[jobiwan]

Well done Tyler. Wish him the best!

 

[MacRoadie]

Hamilton Surrendering His Gold Medal
The American cyclist Tyler Hamilton, the 2004 Olympic gold medalist in the time trial, has voluntarily surrendered his gold medal to the United States Anti-Doping Agency after admitting to doping during his cycling career, the International Olympic Committee said Friday.

Also:

“The I.O.C. has been in touch with Usada, which indicated that the athlete has already rendered his gold medal — Athens 2004 time-trial race — and that they are currently pursuing an inquiry,” Emmanuelle Moreau, a spokeswoman for the I.O.C., wrote in an email. “The I.O.C. has taken note of Hamilton’s confession and will, of course, study any potential Games-related implications.”

He didn't even wait for them to come asking for it.

 

[131313]

Hamilton Surrendering His Gold Medal
The American cyclist Tyler Hamilton, the 2004 Olympic gold medalist in the time trial, has voluntarily surrendered his gold medal to the United States Anti-Doping Agency after admitting to doping during his cycling career, the International Olympic Committee said Friday.

This story is obviously a lie, and NYT is in on the whole thing. I read on factsforlance.org that Tyler made a deal with the federal government to keep his medal. This is all a sham.

Who are you going to believe, factsforlance.org or the NYT?

I bet the writer of that piece is ghost-writing Tyler's book...

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Hamilton Surrendering His Gold Medal

Wow. I didn't see that either!

Chapeau indeed Tyler.

 

[dbrower]

This spectacle reinforces the view that professional cycling is equivalent to professional wrestling regarding PEDs, scripted storylines, and overall legitimacy. The joke is on cycling fans.

Wrestling fans know, and enjoy the show anyway. A lot of cycling fans have been the same way.

-dB