Tyler's Book

[BillytheKid]

I wonder if Hamilton will stick to his story that Armstrong/Bruyneel gave him his first "white bag" of goodies. Rumors I onced dismissed about Tyler, pre postal, make me doubt this is true. You could not get to that party without already being on board.

Kiss and tell...well it's just that kiss and tell and likely only half the story.

Hamilton posing as some kind of victim of Armstrong is a pathetic attempt to save himself as Armstrong is served up justly or not.

Is this for real? http://www.tylerhamilton.com/

 

[thehog]

I wonder if Hamilton will stick to his story that Armstrong/Bruyneel gave him his first "white bag" of goodies. Rumors I onced dismissed about Tyler, pre postal, make me doubt this is true. You could not get to that party without already being on board.

Kiss and tell...well it's just that kiss and tell and likely only half the story.

Hamilton posing as some kind of victim of Armstrong is a pathetic attempt to save himself as Armstrong is served up justly or not.

Is this for real? http://www.tylerhamilton.com/

I wonder if Bruyneel and Armstrong will stick to Might as well win / It's not about the bike version or go off piste an tell the truth?

 

[BillytheKid]

I wonder if Bruyneel and Armstrong will stick to Might as well win / It's not about the bike version or go off piste an tell the truth?

That was not my point. The "Lance Made Me Do It" stuff, I just don't believe.

The threat of criminal prosecution along with the threat of a hefty sentence will never go away for Armstrong, and so the confession will never come.

You could change your Avitar to Side-Show Bob.

 

[thehog]

That was not my point. The "Lance Made Me Do It" stuff, I just don't believe.

The threat of criminal prosecution along with the threat of a hefty sentence will never go away for Armstrong, and so the confession will never come.

You could change your Avitar to Side-Show Bob.

Who said Lance made me do it? I've not heard that from anyone. In fact it's the opposite.

You do tend to create these stories in your head Mr. Kid.

 

[hrotha]

I wonder if Hamilton will stick to his story that Armstrong/Bruyneel gave him his first "white bag" of goodies. Rumors I onced dismissed about Tyler, pre postal, make me doubt this is true.

JV said on Twitter that Hamilton was clean, or at least won some race clean, in 1997. He was already in US Postal back then, although it was a whole different animal at the time (their leader was Jean-Cyril Robin).

 

[BillytheKid]

Who said Lance made me do it? I've not heard that from anyone. In fact it's the opposite.

You do tend to create these stories in your head Mr. Kid.

I suppose you'll want the transcript of the interview. I don't think the memory's that faulty becasue I remeber lol-ing when his said it. I'll see what I can do to appease your doubts.

 

[Race Radio]

I wonder if Hamilton will stick to his story that Armstrong/Bruyneel gave him his first "white bag" of goodies. Rumors I onced dismissed about Tyler, pre postal, make me doubt this is true. You could not get to that party without already being on board.

Kiss and tell...well it's just that kiss and tell and likely only half the story.

Hamilton posing as some kind of victim of Armstrong is a pathetic attempt to save himself as Armstrong is served up justly or not.

Is this for real? http://www.tylerhamilton.com/

Do you have a link for this claim?

Tyler said that the white lunch bags were prior to Lance and Johan joining the team. He then said that over the years team management, doctors, and lance continued to push that riders doped and enabled them to do so

 

[BillytheKid]

Do you have a link for this claim?

Tyler said that the white lunch bags were prior to Lance and Johan joining the team. He then said that over the years team management, doctors, and lance continued to push that riders doped and enabled them to do so

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nTTGGnw8ak

The 60 Minutes interview does not make that clear. In this interview segment, the cornology implies that it was Armstong /Bruyneel leading the charge. Hamilton mentions the bags at about 9:20 into this segment, but the edit and questioning suggest that's the starting point for Hamiltion. The question is never asked of Hamilton when did you start taking PEDs? Or had you taken PEDs before to advance your career before USPS? Hamilton does to his credit say "as we all were" in the face of the line of the questioning. When he says it was an "honor" to receive the bag..this again implies the starting point.

The question never comes....Was this the first time you had sceen or used PEDs? Not asking that question is misleading as to the starting point of Hamilton's use of PEDs implying it all begins with the white bags and thus Armstrong.

 

[Race Radio]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nTTGGnw8ak

The 60 Minutes interview does not make that clear. In this interview segment, the cornology implies that it was Armstong /Bruyneel leading the charge. Hamilton mentions the bags at about 9:20 into this segment, but the edit and questioning suggest that's the starting point for Hamiltion. The question is never asked of Hamilton when did you start taking PEDs? Or had you taken PEDs before to advance your career before USPS? Hamilton does to his credit say "as we all were" in the face of the line of the questioning. When he says it was an "honor" to receive the bag..this again implies the starting point.

The question never comes....Was this the first time you had sceen or used PEDs? Not asking that question is misleading as to the starting point of Hamilton's use of PEDs implying it all begins with the white bags and thus Armstrong.

You didn't listen to it did you?

Scott clearly says that the white lunch bags happened prior to Armstrong joining

Tyler says he got drugs multiple times from lance, including Test and EPO. Hincapie said the same

He says that Bruyneel and team doctors made it clear that doping was needed in order to make the Tour team.

 

[BillytheKid]

You didn't listen to it did you?

Scott clearly says that the white lunch bags happened prior to Armstrong joining

Tyler says he got drugs multiple times from lance, including Test and EPO. Hincapie said the same

He says that Bruyneel and team doctors made it clear that doping was needed in order to make the Tour team.

True enough. The chronology of the piece still bothers me, however. A lot of people might have missed that as well becasue Hamiltion has just finished talking about taking Test drops with Armstrong. Still, fair enough, Scott does say the white bags we're before Armstrong.

Scott goes on to say... It was now a 1997, Hamilton says he had never doped before, but now a team doctor...

1997 was prior to Bruyneel? Still, dubious about the beginnig of it there, but I base that only on rumors that turned out to be too true.

 

[ElChingon]

Hightlighted so people don't miss this, seems its a issue most will miss as stated:

You didn't listen to it did you?

Scott clearly says that the white lunch bags happened prior to Armstrong joining

Tyler says he got drugs multiple times from lance, including Test and EPO. Hincapie said the same

He says that Bruyneel and team doctors made it clear that doping was needed in order to make the Tour team.

True enough. The chronology of the piece still bothers me, however. A lot of people might have missed that as well becasue Hamiltion has just finished talking about taking Test drops with Armstrong. Still, fair enough, Scott does say the white bags we're before Armstrong.

Scott goes on to say... It was now a 1997, Hamilton says he had never doped before, but now a team doctor...

1997 was prior to Bruyneel? Still, dubious about the beginnig of it there, but I base that only on rumors that turned out to be too true.

 

[Race Radio]

True enough. The chronology of the piece still bothers me, however. A lot of people might have missed that as well becasue Hamiltion has just finished talking about taking Test drops with Armstrong. Still, fair enough, Scott does say the white bags we're before Armstrong.

Scott goes on to say... It was now a 1997, Hamilton says he had never doped before, but now a team doctor...

1997 was prior to Bruyneel? Still, dubious about the beginnig of it there, but I base that only on rumors that turned out to be too true.

Johan came on for the 1999 season. Lance was not a fan of Johnny Weltz. The program stepped up significantly from then as Johan brought in some of the doctors and methods from Once

 

[BillytheKid]

Hightlighted so people don't miss this, seems its a issue most will miss as stated:

It's called continuity error. They never fly in cinema, but in journalistic pieces like this segment, they are often used and can be somewhat misleading. At one moment doing, in vivd detail, the Test drops with Armstrong, then you jump back in time to the white bags? Scott does clearly state the time change, but I prefer a proper chrono as to the order of events, becasue if you blink like I did, the context easiely gets confused.

Hang me high anyway.

 

[Race Radio]

It's called continuity error. They never fly in cinema, but in journalistic pieces like this segment, they are often used and can be somewhat misleading. At one moment doing, in vivd detail, the Test drops with Armstrong, then you jump back in time to the white bags? Scott does clearly state the time change, but I prefer a proper chrono as to the order of events, becasue if you blink like I did, the context easiely gets confused.

Hang me high anyway.

It is called not paying attention. it is pretty obvious to anyone who listens

 

[BillytheKid]

JV said on Twitter that Hamilton was clean, or at least won some race clean, in 1997. He was already in US Postal back then, although it was a whole different animal at the time (their leader was Jean-Cyril Robin).

JV has said a lot of things. I would not bank on any of this being the full story.

What I state about Hamilton is my opionion, base on a single conversation with one of about two dozen Cat. 1 riders here in the mid-90s. What I heard was opinion too. The time frame well pre-dates 1997. So I have no more to offer than that other than it was strong opinion.

 

[BillytheKid]

It is called not paying attention. it is pretty obvious to anyone who listens

True again. I can't make this a full-time deal, but I don't need to because I don't think handing Armstrong's head up, will really make a difference in the bigger fight against PEDs. I have to return to my earlier signature of "one hand on the wheel, one eye on the road."

But since you are without fault, Race, you keep tossing blows from that bag of stones you have.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Johan came on for the 1999 season. Lance was not a fan of Johnny Weltz. The program stepped up significantly from then as Johan brought in some of the doctors and methods from Once

Ok, while that is actually true it is rather boring.

I prefer Billythekids way of thinking - indeed Sally Junket could write a script and make it a fun movie.
In it, Tyler's missing twin is Marty McFly and he goes back and forth delivering the white lunch bags of hope from Lance & Johan in 99 to 97.

 

[mikkemus23]

He says that Bruyneel and team doctors made it clear that doping was needed in order to make the Tour team.

Any specifics regarding Steffen Kjaergaard? Thanks

 

[Father Jack]

No Kindle version.

Just had a look on UK amazon and only the Kindle version is advertised for release in September, paperback due spring 2013.

FJ

 

[GJB123]

It's called continuity error. They never fly in cinema, but in journalistic pieces like this segment, they are often used and can be somewhat misleading. At one moment doing, in vivd detail, the Test drops with Armstrong, then you jump back in time to the white bags? Scott does clearly state the time change, but I prefer a proper chrono as to the order of events, becasue if you blink like I did, the context easiely gets confused.

Hang me high anyway.

That is a very elaborate way to say "I was wrong" without actually saying precisely that.

 

[trailrunner]

Just had a look on UK amazon and only the Kindle version is advertised for release in September, paperback due spring 2013.

Last time I checked a couple of days ago, on the US amazon site, hardback only in September. There was a link to tell the publisher that you want this book to be available on Kindle.

On the Barnes and Nobles site, they have a Nook version available. I don't know much about book licensing, but it sounds like Nook got the rights in the US.

 

[Zweistein]

Defamation, damage to career, etc. The usual suspects, eh?

Where? Not a lawyer. Wherever the usual jurisdictional rules are.

Most suits are not filed with the expectation of winning these days, it would seem. Free publicity with the opposite claims made in the book...possibility of concessions to make the suit go away - see coffee, hot, McDonalds...

I get tired of people bringing up this case when they don't know it. There were over 700 reports of people being badly burned by McDonalds 185 F coffee.
They were well aware of the problem and did nothing and these weren't silly burns. Burns of this type can easily be life threatening.

The case was portrayed the way it was so that large organizations could push tort reform and limit liability.



Here are some pics of the burns and the skin graphs she needed from that case.

http://travis.pflanz.me/assets/stella_liebeck_burned_by_mcdonalds_coffee.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5XUfEoleeDc/ThN_H-3E6JI/AAAAAAAABkw/f7iKfZwYVmM/s1600/McDonalds.jpg

 

[MarkvW]

I get tired of people bringing up this case when they don't know it. There were over 700 reports of people being badly burned by McDonalds 185 F coffee.
They were well aware of the problem and did nothing and these weren't silly burns. Burns of this type can easily be life threatening.

The case was portrayed the way it was so that large organizations could push tort reform and limit liability.



Here are some pics of the burns and the skin graphs she needed from that case.

http://travis.pflanz.me/assets/stella_liebeck_burned_by_mcdonalds_coffee.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5XUfEoleeDc/ThN_H-3E6JI/AAAAAAAABkw/f7iKfZwYVmM/s1600/McDonalds.jpg

Persuading the American public to vote against their best interests is a true art form.

 

[luckyboy]

JV said on Twitter that Hamilton was clean, or at least won some race clean, in 1997. He was already in US Postal back then, although it was a whole different animal at the time (their leader was Jean-Cyril Robin).

Have you got a link for the tweet? Would be interesting to see.

 

[Coup de Foudre]

ebook

Last time I checked a couple of days ago, on the US amazon site, hardback only in September. There was a link to tell the publisher that you want this book to be available on Kindle.

On the Barnes and Nobles site, they have a Nook version available. I don't know much about book licensing, but it sounds like Nook got the rights in the US.

It's also available for pre-order in Apple's iBooks store.