UCI: Armstrong was paid in 2009

[thehog]

Yet, he and his legal wild bunch will continue to attack the credibility of others.

Meanwhile, CN prefer to run with "Armstrong Supports Flood Victims".
I expect he thinks he can use his walking on water skills to carry out a few
worthy victims.

What did you do?

The 50k story has gone replaced with a doping story!

How'd you do that?

 

[Polish]

Let me get this straight....

Some of you believe that Lance KNEW he would be forced to accept the UCI minimum wage ahead of time - but lied about it when he said "its on the house"? He was covering up?

Whatever. I think it is another example of Lance misunderstanding the letter of the law while understanding the spirit of the law.

Like when he said he "was just a rider" and not realizing he was a boardmember too. "What? I am a board member? What the heck does that mean?"

"What? I have to accept minimum wage? Whatever, just donate it'.

 

[Angliru]

Let me get this straight....

Some of you believe that Lance KNEW he would be forced to accept the UCI minimum wage ahead of time - but lied about it when he said "its on the house"? He was covering up?

Whatever. I think it is another example of Lance misunderstanding the letter of the law while understanding the spirit of the law.

Like when he said he "was just a rider" and not realizing he was a boardmember too. "What? I am a board member? What the heck does that mean?"

"What? I have to accept minimum wage? Whatever, just donate it'.

Now you're questioning your hero's intellect and skills of comprehension? You're in danger of having your yellow wristband confiscated.

 

[MacRoadie]

"What? I am a board member? What the heck does that mean?"

Probably the most accurate thing you've ever posted.

I have a feeling "What the heck does that mean?" is an oft-heard phrase in the Armstrong household...

 

[BotanyBay]

*** edited by mod ***

You're schtuffing verds into my mouth. I zaid zat IF ze pharmacists ver wassering-down ze EPO, and IF cancer patients care vas compromised as a rezult, zen DAT vould be ze greatest Fraud.

In a tightly regulated supply chain, do you think the riders are getting stuff taken right out of the manufacturing plant? The missing medicine would be noticed. So someone essentially needs to 1) steal it and 2) replace what they stole so that no one would notice. All of the drug needs to be accounted for, and this is how they account for it. They steal some of it and water-down the batch that remains.

Either this or they need to create a fake dialysis patient.

 

[BotanyBay]

And it says that some guy says, that he got actually paid.
Speculation has no foundation in this issue.

It could be $3.3MM Euros. It could have been $33K Euros. You have no idea so why speculate?

 

[thehog]

It could be $3.3MM Euros. It could have been $33K Euros. You have no idea so why speculate?

Its not really the amount but what is implied. Armstrong wanted us to think there was no salary. That the comeback was first and foremost about awareness. Now you couple this with personal appearance fees and now a salary from Astana you get to see its very different than how it was portrayed. Was it really just about awareness? or was it a lot about amassing a small personal fortune and then about awareness? That’s ok but you need to be upfront with it. Especially when it comes to donating money to charities. People expect honesty. The lines are becoming awfully grey now. As mentioned in several posts in the LIvestrong blurred thread. Its really hard to tell now what’s the commercial arm and work and what’s not. …

Was Armstrong understating his salary so he’d get higher appearance fees? Were he and the Hog telling race directors that “Lance needs to recovery his salary that he’s not being paid”? - who knows? but there’s certainly a lot of secrecy going on. All the way from Rann to the Giro to Astana to what comes out of Armstrong’s mouth.

Time will tell, time will tell….

I also wonder if there was any performance based pay in the Astana contract?


Time will tell, time will tell…

 

[Benotti69]

You're schtuffing verds into my mouth. I zaid zat IF ze pharmacists ver wassering-down ze EPO, and IF cancer patients care vas compromised as a rezult, zen DAT vould be ze greatest Fraud.

In a tightly regulated supply chain, do you think the riders are getting stuff taken right out of the manufacturing plant? The missing medicine would be noticed. So someone essentially needs to 1) steal it and 2) replace what they stole so that no one would notice. All of the drug needs to be accounted for, and this is how they account for it. They steal some of it and water-down the batch that remains.

Either this or they need to create a fake dialysis patient.

probably, nothing new there for methadone and other prescription meds and happens in plenty lines of work especially construction work.

 

[MD FACG FACP]

Like when he said he "was just a rider" and not realizing he was a boardmember too. "What? I am a board member? What the heck does that mean?"

Playing the stupid card ?

 

[la.margna]

it's like with doping. you don't care what level of unallowed/forbidden substance is found in your test. your're positive, you doped, full stop.

he lied to us once again and told he was not taking any salary or bonus. but he did. great cyclist, great fighter, great liar, great cheater, poor personality.

and what is really poor, that some guys (like lance) have to tell us anytime how much they donate. if you donate for the cause and with your heart, you don't tell anybody, only if you wanna shape your public image...

and let's not forget the $3m giro appearance fee (while the fuel cost was charged to the LAF)... insane...

 

[BotanyBay]

probably, nothing new there for methadone and other prescription meds and happens in plenty lines of work especially construction work.

Now create several thousand fake dialysis patients to account for the riders on programs.

It's easier to skim it.

 

[Cobblestoned]

I'd much rather here an Armstrong supporter's viewpoint on this disclosure than more of the same belittling of those that have an opposing opinion. What is your reaction to this news?

Why do people care when the rules were actually followed ?

The haters go ballistic if the rules ARE followed and if they are NOT followed - in case of Armstrong.

Lance is a busy man and I don't care about peanuts.
I would suspect that Lance was ****ed up because he had to be paid then ultimately. Stubborn and lied or forgot about it.
He didn't want it in September 09 - thats the main point for me.

But finally the haters have a point now. I hope for them. I thought that would never happen.

Time will tell.
If I were Lance, I would have arranged a monthly standing order to send the money directly back to Astana, and put 1€ on top, or spent the money at Las Astana casinos. Stubborn investement you call that.

 

[Benotti69]

Why do people care when the rules were actually followed ?

The haters go ballistic if the rules ARE followed and if they are NOT followed - in case of Armstrong.

Lance is a busy man and I don't care about peanuts.
I would suspect that Lance was ****ed up because he had to be paid then ultimately. Stubborn and lied or forgot about it.
He didn't want it in September 09 - thats the main point for me.

But finally the haters have a point now. I hope for them. I thought that would never happen.

Time will tell.
If I were Lance, I would have arranged a monthly standing order to send the money directly back to Astana, and put 1€ on top, or spent the money at Las Astana casinos. Stubborn investement you call that.

hahahahahaha, if you were LA you would have them bank trasnfer it to your fav lapdancing club

 

[Benotti69]

Now create several thousand fake dialysis patients to account for the riders on programs.

It's easier to skim it.

epo are tablets are they not? how do you water them down in order to cover up the missing batches?

 

[MacRoadie]

epo are tablets are they not? how do you water them down in order to cover up the missing batches?

It's taken by injection.

 

[Cobblestoned]

You're schtuffing verds into my mouth. I zaid zat IF ze pharmacists ver wassering-down ze EPO, and IF cancer patients care vas compromised as a rezult, zen DAT vould be ze greatest Fraud.

In a tightly regulated supply chain, do you think the riders are getting stuff taken right out of the manufacturing plant? The missing medicine would be noticed. So someone essentially needs to 1) steal it and 2) replace what they stole so that no one would notice. All of the drug needs to be accounted for, and this is how they account for it. They steal some of it and water-down the batch that remains.

Either this or they need to create a fake dialysis patient.

So, for which hospital was Joe Papp working then ?

 

[Semper Fidelis]

someone should pay you for all the quality cut and paste you do

Why would he be paid for linking an article from a cycling publication that essentially indicates Lance and Johan lied to the public regarding salary…… Maybe not at the outset when he gave the Vanity Fair interview but surely 3 or 5 months before the tour etc.

 

[euanli]

And it says that some guy says, that he got actually paid.
Speculation has no foundation in this issue.

And if he wasn't getting paid he and Astana were in breach of the UCI rules and he should not have be riding the Tour.

Andy Schleck has won the last TDFs and Wiggins was on the podium.

 

[D-Queued]

epo are tablets are they not? how do you water them down in order to cover up the missing batches?

Evening Primrose Oil?

According to the elitefitness site forum (you gotta love bodybuilders - no concerns whatsoever with dealing in controlled substances and helping each other use them):

Now, given this is equivalent to reading it off the wall in a public urinal, who knows how true it is.

EPO is sold in recombinant form (rhEPO) for injection. It usually is packaged as a lyophilized (freeze dried) powder that is reconstituted with sterile water before injection. One por form is called Epogen(r), and it is made for subcutaneous usage. A starting dosage is typically 20 i.u. per kilogram bodyweight, 3 times/week. After two to four weeks, a maintenance dose of 20 i.u. /kg BW can be taken once a week

Or, you can go to your local 'Sports Medicine' professional. They will tell you how bad EPO is, and how you shouldn't use it. To reinforce the point, and make sure you really understand why you should not use it and why you shouldn't know how to use it, they will cite how it is used and how effective it is:

Erythropoietin Abuse and Detection in Athletes

Study 1: Measurement of Blood and Physiological Markers

In a study done by Audran, nine well-trained athletes (seven males, two females) received a 50U/kg dosage of rhEPO daily for 26 days. Tested were four triathletes, two cyclists, one rower, one swimmer, and one handball player, averaging an age of 24 years old and weight of 73kg. During treatment, significant increases in reticulocyte, EPO and sTfr concentrations and sTfr/serum protein ratios were seen by day ten, whereas hemoglobin and hematocrit levels did not clearly increase until day 14...

Study 2: Effect of Iron Supplementation with rhEPO Injections
...

Study 3: Differences between Ethnic Groups and Sampling Times
...
Study 4: Effect of Differing Dosages
...
Study 5: Measurement of Blood and Physiological Markers
...

DISCLAIMER
Medical information on the DrEd website (sportsmed.info) is intended for educational purposes only and is not intended to be a substitute for medical advice. Always contact your doctor if you feel you need medical advice or treatment.

Thanks for the education Doc, in case I need some 'medical advice', or possibly some 'treatment'.

Dave.

 

[euanli]

Let me get this straight....

Some of you believe that Lance KNEW he would be forced to accept the UCI minimum wage ahead of time - but lied about it when he said "its on the house"? He was covering up?

Whatever. I think it is another example of Lance misunderstanding the letter of the law while understanding the spirit of the law.

Like when he said he "was just a rider" and not realizing he was a boardmember too. "What? I am a board member? What the heck does that mean?"

"What? I have to accept minimum wage? Whatever, just donate it'.

Ho. Read the article why don't you. In May he was still shilling the same old do do. He knew. He lied like he always does.

 

[Cobblestoned]

What did you do?

The 50k story has gone replaced with a doping story!

How'd you do that?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/armstrong-supports-flood-victims

An antidopingstory was added.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/armstrong-claims-cycling-does-more-to-fight-doping-than-other-sports

So, I equaled and I am satisfied with that for today.

-1 Armstrong "lieing"
+1 thehog lieing
_________________
0

 

[Semper Fidelis]

carpani is anything BUT a low level UCI employee...

he's one of the very few inner circle old boys whose faithful service stretches back to verbruggen presidency. may be not the sharpest knife in the uci kitchen, but very informed and very far from the naive/'honest' type the swordsman hopes for. he's the guy who made dozens of statements that had to be later backpedaled including the infamous lie by verbruggen about the uci not leaking armstrong's doping control forms to ressiot. he's the guy who later announced uci's zorzoli's 3-months suspension for leaking.

take my word, carpani did not misspeak...

more likely, as i said before, a sign of coming texas demise and the uci's attempts to capitalize on the idea of transparency..

The entire state of Texas is not going to be punished because one resident of the state happens to be a liar, cheat, and fraud.

 

[Polish]

Does Lance even know what "minimum wage" is?

"Is that what they pay peolple who suck?"

No Lance, it is a wage that must be paid in order to protect workers from being taken advantage of by their bosses.

"Oh, like what we pay Jose and the gang for mow&blow and the pool cleaning?"

Ixnay on the illegal aliens way. Remember, you have been helping Jose and the gang and their families hide out from the authorities....

Kind of like Gino Bartali

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Seems one could fill a daily calendar with Texas' scams and lies. the author could make up 3 out of 365 day stories, for the readers to recognize as fabricated, to win a nice donation in their name to a yet to be founded charity.

If OJ was a popular joke for years, hope can we not be stuck with Texas jokes until eternity? Unfortunately, anything you say or write seems to only add to his fame and confidence.

He does not represent the state in any political position. He was born here but that just means he is a "Texan".

Texas jokes are easy without involving the "Texan Cyclist".

 

[Ecowarrior18]

Yet, he and his legal wild bunch will continue to attack the credibility of others.

Meanwhile, CN prefer to run with "Armstrong Supports Flood Victims".
I expect he thinks he can use his walking on water skills to carry out a few
worthy victims.

He even makes it on to the BBC sports pages with his support for the Flood victims.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/cycling/9360298.stm

I guess he needs to make sure everyone knows what a great guy he is, before everything hits the fan.