UCI: Armstrong was paid in 2009

[Francois the Postman]

It stipulates all figures are USD.

 

[Beech Mtn]

Where's the guy who has been going over the Livestrong financial reports? If LA donated $47,000 in 2009, that should show up somewhere.

As an aside, I would be surprised that a man who gives press releases when he donates to causes (Haiti, Katrina, the Australian floods), wouldn't have made it public that he was donating his entire year's salary to Livestrong. Think of how good the PR for that would have been, especially since it would've been commonly expected that a year's salary for a big star would be much more than a mere $47,000.

Just curious - Lance rode the 2009 Giro when Di Luca had the pink bracelets and was raising funds for the earthquake victims in Abruzzo. Did Lance donate to that cause as well? And was Di Luca's charity effective in raising cash for the victims? Never heard much about it other than the riders wearing pink bracelets in the Giro.

 

[Roland Rat]

Thanks for that Hog, but unless I've missed it, they don't give specific figures.
The one I came across for 2009 does, but could well be in Oz $.
It does give the pay differentials, however:
http://www.cyclingtipsblog.com/2009/02/pro-team-structure-what-does-it-all-mean/

http://www.uci.ch/Modules/BUILTIN/g...&ObjTypeCode=FILE&type=FILE&id=34028&LangId=1

Page 111, Article 3

ARTICLE 3 - Salary
1. The Rider shall have the right to gross annual pay of ....
This pay may not be less than the higher of the two following amounts:
a) The legal minimum wage of the country of the nationality of the UCI ProTeam as defined
under article 2.15.051 of the regulations;
b) € 30,000 (€ 24,000 for a new professional).
2. If the duration of the present contract is less than one year, the Rider must in this period earn at
least the total annual pay set out in article 3.1. Where applicable, the pay due from the rider's
previous UCI ProTeam, professional continental team or continental team for the first part of the
year in question may be deducted as long as the pay for the duration of the present contract is
no lower than the minimum determined under article 3.1.

 

[sniper]

As an aside, I would be surprised that a man who gives press releases when he donates to causes (Haiti, Katrina, the Australian floods), wouldn't have made it public that he was donating his entire year's salary to Livestrong. Think of how good the PR for that would have been, especially since it would've been commonly expected that a year's salary for a big star would be much more than a mere $47,000.

Indeed, he could have done a Robin Hood all the way, saying he's forced to take the 33.000 but will spend it only on charity.

 

[Mellow Velo]

It stipulates all figures are USD.

Yes and now I see in it's in bold, too.
In which case, the 33k,(24k Euro) or Goober's 34k figure is well out.
Surely, the minimum wage Lance would have to be paid, is 47k (30k Euro).
In which case......

 

[Roland Rat]

Average exchange rate (dollar to euro) in 2009 was around 0.71, so you're looking at about $42k.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Average exchange rate (dollar to euro) in 2009 was around 0.71, so you're looking at about $42k.

Yes, I just did a quick check, too.
In anycase, proves the 33/34k figure is well out and that anyone using it as "evidence from inside" hadn't checked it's validity.

Unless Armstrong managed to pass himself off as neo pro!

 

[Cobblestoned]

As I expected:
Nothing of substance here and you are posting pictures in panic again to distract.
Well done !
Anyway, I will send you this record as a consolation prize. You still have got a lot to learn.

 

[sartain]

Where's the guy who has been going over the Livestrong financial reports? If LA donated $47,000 in 2009, that should show up somewhere.

As an aside, I would be surprised that a man who gives press releases when he donates to causes (Haiti, Katrina, the Australian floods), wouldn't have made it public that he was donating his entire year's salary to Livestrong. Think of how good the PR for that would have been, especially since it would've been commonly expected that a year's salary for a big star would be much more than a mere $47,000.

Just curious - Lance rode the 2009 Giro when Di Luca had the pink bracelets and was raising funds for the earthquake victims in Abruzzo. Did Lance donate to that cause as well? And was Di Luca's charity effective in raising cash for the victims? Never heard much about it other than the riders wearing pink bracelets in the Giro.

And what ever happened to Tyler's foundation (Floyd's too . . . )

 

[BotanyBay]

None of your business - if that means I have no credibility then so be it. Trust me many people knew the situation as you can't race without having a salary - well known to people who know the sport. I am sure $34K to Lance that he gave away is the same as working for free and I agree - you don't have to.

If you can't back it up, why did you post it? You expect people to take your statement with authority or else you wouldn't say it.

Either admit that you have no proof, or show some proof. What kind of reaction did you expect?

 

[goober]

Yes, I just did a quick check, too.
In anycase, proves the 33/34k figure is well out and that anyone using it as "evidence from inside" hadn't checked it's validity.

Unless Armstrong managed to pass himself off as neo pro!

If we are referring to my statement of 34K you should read my original post - I said I recall, and this was recalling a conversation that I could give a crap about. I know it is now being said he rode for minimum be it 34K or 42K. I would still call it riding for free in his case since he gave it away and only had to accept it to be in compliance with rules to ride.

 

[goober]

goober frequently hinted at having an insider track and he called an ‘an old news’ many interesting public announcement about armstrong's investigation.

however, when challenged on facts or pointed to an inconsistency in his prophesies, he disappears and never provides supporting evidence. in my book, though more than zero, it speaks of little credibility.

however and very curiously, he frequently sparred with thai panda (the mods should easily recognise who that was) which - thai panda and its sock puppets that is - in other situations argued precisely goober’s points about lemond being a doper etc etc .... that is until panda and its other aliases) got hunted down.

go figure

Then put me on ignore or take what I say as incorrect or no credibility. I come here and tell you what I know then after you see similar statements in the media - take that how you want. Go back and look at my Rock Racing statements and who I said Novinsky was targeting then look about 4 months later when the media starts talking strongly about Rock Racing and Novinsky. Keep that thought (Rock Racing) when all is public and keep this thought as it stands today - Lance comes out unscathed by Novinsky.

 

[BotanyBay]

Keep that thought (Rock Racing) when all is public and keep this thought as it stands today - Lance comes out unscathed by Novinsky.

You claim to be an insider. Not an insider by way of the Atty General's office, or the FDA, but one from cycling. So, just like Lance, you have NO CLUE if he'll come out unscathed.

Personally, I think you're FOS. Not because of the outcomes your predict, but because you offer literally not one iota of credibility.

I like our credibility.

 

[goober]

You claim to be an insider. Not an insider by way of the Atty General's office, or the FDA, but one from cycling. So, just like Lance, you have NO CLUE if he'll come out unscathed.

Personally, I think you're FOS. Not because of the outcomes your predict, but because you offer literally not one iota of credibility.

I like our credibility.

Yes I am FOS because I have no credibility. I agree.

 

[BotanyBay]

Yes I am FOS because I have no credibility. I agree.

If you want us to believe you based on some kid of track record, then at least offer links to your track record.

 

[Francois the Postman]

We have no reason to believe that goober is linked to any sock-puppet or troll.

And can I remind people to be careful about what words you use to describe what another user "is like". Derailing threads by claiming folk are trolls or sockpuppets is the actual trolling, in my book. If you have suspicions, report them to the mods. We can see more than you guys can.

Otherwise, they are to be treated like legit posters, just like you or me. (Especially new posters, btw).

That doesn't mean you have to believe all the claims they make, and by all means, target their claims if they are dodgy, or if they have a track record of insider gossip that went nowhere.

But "character" poster discussions are not welcome, as they are off-topic and derail threads.

 

[BotanyBay]

Then please, call him to the carpet and have him back-up his credibility with links. Folks like RaceRadio have earned their credibility.

 

[Francois the Postman]

Then please, call him to the carpet and have him back-up his credibility with links. Folks like RaceRadio have earned their credibility.

The moment you prove to me that all riders dope

There are a lot of unsubstantiated claims made here. make up your own mind(s). He doesn't need to prove his credibility or credentials to anyone. Claiming you are an insider without proving that to BotanyBay's standards is fine. Judge for yourselves how you let that affect the value of his posts. Sure, feel free to disbelief him or put him on your ignore list.

Your mileage may vary.

 

[The Hitch]

We have no reason to believe that goober is linked to any sock-puppet or troll.

And can I remind people to be careful about what words you use to describe what another user "is like". Derailing threads by claiming folk are trolls or sockpuppets is the actual trolling, in my book. If you have suspicions, report them to the mods. We can see more than you guys can.

Otherwise, they are to be treated like legit posters, just like you or me. (Especially new posters, btw).

That doesn't mean you have to believe all the claims they make, and by all means, target their claims if they are dodgy, or if they have a track record of insider gossip that went nowhere.

But "character" poster discussions are not welcome, as they are off-topic and derail threads.

Reminds me of when i looked back to Wonder Lance's first posts, several posters knew for a FACT, that he was BPC. Even though he denied it and pointed out that he was from another country, the fact that his posts came at times when BPC was not signed in, constituted 100% proof, that Wonder Lance was a BPC puppet.

Turns out not to have been the case.

 

[Angliru]

Okay, lets think for a minute...If YOU made millions of dollars every year doing something (sport/job/habit/addiction?). Then you took a break for a few years, then decided to return to that same sport/job/habit/addiction.
You are now being paid $50k what you used to receive millions....

"ESSENTIALLY..." you would be working for free. Maybe in his mind, $50k is pretty much "free" when previously he made much more. I know that I would feel that way. My opinion was he was simply saying he's riding for peanuts compared to before.

He lied and implied he was doing this all for free to increase cancer awareness. He stated he was riding for free and failed to disclose that he was getting paid a $1 million plus appearence fee. That is known as deception. Not once but at least twice (Giro and TDU). He was riding for free as he stated AND he was being paid a salary regardless of what he did with it after he received it. The bottom line is that he played the noble philanthropist sacrificing all for his cause/doing it out of the kindness of his heart all while pocketing millions.

 

[Velocentric]

The source is me. The source at the time was conversation that I think included Lance - he was present - just don't recall if he was in the conversation.

Wow. Just. Wow.

In 2009 The 'Armstrong Family Fund' is listed as a "Named & Endowed Special Purpose Fund" totalling $1,025,000, exactly the same as it appears in 2008, in 2007 it appears as $845,979 - so there is no question that an annual donation is being made in the Armstrong Family name but no way of knowing how that donation was put together and Livestrong (quite fairly) don't want to give that information out.

/Edit/

It's worth noting that there is no way of knowing what the special purpose of these funds is.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Keep that thought (Rock Racing) when all is public and keep this thought as it stands today - Lance comes out unscathed by Novinsky.

Don't shout this down. Given what little is known, it stands as a legitimately possible Lance walks. Put it at the far end of a range of legitimate possibilities. On the near end is felony prosecutions that stick and result in jail time.

To be clear, I don't like a situation where Lance walks. Money talks and Armstrong is spending it where it matters - Lawyers and in Congress. However, there are more actors than just Mr. Armstrong. Felony convictions sprinkled around the Tailwind principals would be a good result.

Lastly, Armstrong doesn't have to do much to appease the minions. An after-the-fact "Oh, that happened? Gee I'm so busy generating revenue off the sick and dying I lost track of that minor detail that only came up later." would do it. Pat would say something to corroborate, even though later it will turn out to be a lie, and the issue is done. There's no penalty for lying to the media. It just has to be a good-enough lie.

 

[Anonymous]

Wow. Just. Wow.

In 2009 The 'Armstrong Family Fund' is listed as a "Named & Endowed Special Purpose Fund" totalling $1,025,000, exactly the same as it appears in 2008, in 2007 it appears as $845,979 - so there is no question that an annual donation is being made in the Armstrong Family name but no way of knowing how that donation was put together and Livestrong (quite fairly) don't want to give that information out.

/Edit/

It's worth noting that there is no way of knowing what the special purpose of these funds is.

I had been wondering about this and digging for a few days but couldnt find any details on what the fund actually is.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

He lied and implied he was doing this all for free to increase cancer awareness. He stated he was riding for free and failed to disclose that he was getting paid a $1 million plus appearence fee. That is known as deception. Not once but at least twice (Giro and TDU). He was riding for free as he stated AND he was being paid a salary regardless of what he did with it after he received it. The bottom line is that he played the noble philanthropist sacrificing all for his cause/doing it out of the kindness of his heart all while pocketing millions.

I think that is what makes it such a bad lie. Not that there is a good lie but the way it was published to prop him up as the good guy who was doing it for the "cancer awarness" global campaign.

Now back to some serious stuff...... how do I buy one of those 28 kits?
Before anyone gets all bent that was a joke. I wanted to use it as an example of how this thing keeps making the guy money. It is endless for LA and the awarness gang.

 

[BotanyBay]

Don't shout this down. Given what little is known, it stands as a legitimately possible Lance walks. Put it at the far end of a range of legitimate possibilities.

Heck, I'll even give you the NEAR END. But based on what Goober said, he indicates that he is a CYCLING insider, not a prosecutorial insider.

In other words, he'd have no way of knowing one way or another. Even if he were Lance, Rick Herman, Bill Stapleton, Johan Bruyneel, etc.

So my opinion is that he's using his claim of being close to Lance to try and establish credibility on knowing something about what Novi might or might not do. My point is that predicting about Rock Racing is one thing. Knowing what the feds are thinking is another (presuming the real insiders would even tell him the truth). So I still call BS.