UCI helped Froome with illegal(?) TUE at Romandie

[Amazinmets73]

Froome does not eat pasta or bread.

Most cyclists have a restricted carb diet during training. How do you think they lose weight?

High carb, low fat is what keeps the weight off.

 

[RownhamHill]

I don't think it's funny at all.

I had no idea Froome beat Tony Martin in the ITT because he was on high octane steroids.

I would have never have know if it wasn't for the diligence and investigative reporting of the French newspaper. Something we'd probably expect Walsh to have done.

I don't think this is trolling.

If you think that's trolling then I believe you don't really want to seek the truth. Just what goes along with your favorite rider/team.

I think this is.

 

[Tinman]

Suspect the below has been posted before - maybe I am just slow, not able to read all posts and not spending quite as much time here as before. Perhaps worth re-posting with regard to training camps leading into competitions and "cortisone glow time". And why Sky withdrew Froome, Kiryienka and Kennaugh's for L-B-L, as well as Froome's TUE necessity in TdR.

WADA Regulations for Corticosteroids:

In Competition Prohibited:
S9 Glucocorticosteroids, systemic: Glucocorticosteroids are prohibited when administered orally, rectally, or by intravenous or intramuscular injection. Their use requires a Therapeutic Use Exemption (TUE) approval.

Out of Competition
Not Prohibited: Not tested for Out-of-Competition: These substances are not tested for `Out-of-Competition'.
Please be aware that if it is found in an Athlete's system during competition (even if the substance(s) was taken prior to the competition) this will constitute a doping violation.

 

[Cycle Chic]

Exercise induced asthma

Good article on Asthma inhalers and the testing done on Salbutamol - and cleared by WADA.

http://www.runnerslife.co.uk/support-team/medical/asthma-inhalers

The use of Asthma Inhalers
Published on August 31st, 2012

Why do so many athletes use asthma inhalers?

Drugs called beta-2 agonists, such as salbutamol, salmeterol and terbutaline, open the closed lungs of asthmatics and help them to breathe. They also increase the amount of fat in the bloodstream to increase energy sources of exercising muscles, help to preserve the muscles' store of sugar, and help muscles to contract with more force. The common inhaled asthma medication called albuterol has been shown to improve athletic performance.

These asthma medications are potent stimulants,

I thought it odd that Froome said this:-

"I've felt completely blocked up through my front of quads since the crash and I've not been able to engage the same types of muscles that I used in the earlier stages," he said.

Just an odd thing to say.

another good article
Suspicion Lifts Over Olympic Champion’s Use of Asthma Inhaler

http://www.wired.com/2010/12/salbutamol-doping/

 

[Cycle Chic]

ii) Salbutamol
Inhaled salbutamol is no longer prohibited. However, the presence of
salbutamol in the urine in excess of 1000 ng/mL is presumed not to be
a therapeutic use of the substance and will be considered as an adverse
analytical finding. The athlete would then need to document the details
of his/her, medical condition and medication use. The athlete may then
be required to prove, by a controlled pharmacokinetic study (see annex 2)
that the abnormal test result was the consequence of the use of a
therapeutic dose (maximum 1600 micrograms over 24 hours) of inhaled
salbutamol.

http://www.wada-ama.org/Documents/S...ort_TUECs/WADA_Medical_info_Asthma_4.0_EN.pdf

Looks like the masking agent theory is the best bet.....he's had a urine abnormallity and got the TUE to prove it was the salbutamol.

 

[SundayRider]

High carb, low fat is what keeps the weight off.

The opposite is true for lots of people.

 

[sniper]

Good article on Asthma inhalers and the testing done on Salbutamol - and cleared by WADA.

http://www.runnerslife.co.uk/support-team/medical/asthma-inhalers

I thought it odd that Froome said this:-

Just an odd thing to say.

another good article
Suspicion Lifts Over Olympic Champion’s Use of Asthma Inhaler

http://www.wired.com/2010/12/salbutamol-doping/

good finds. agree that his comment re muscles sounded a bit oddish.

http://www.wada-ama.org/Documents/S...ort_TUECs/WADA_Medical_info_Asthma_4.0_EN.pdf

Looks like the masking agent theory is the best bet.....he's had a urine abnormallity and got the TUE to prove it was the salbutamol.

to clarify, are we thinking of an abnormality in a sample tested by an accredited wada lab or did sky's internal testing show froome was glowing?

 

[Tinman]

Must be more than salbutamol glow. That wouldn't last long and would just be negligent over-use on the day.

 

[ebandit]

errrrrrrrrrr................no

Keep cheering Sky Mark.

errrrrrrrr.......................no! I too am dismayed at team sky/cycling but

using available rules to max dies not equate to not clean

others ask surely info riders TUE's should be available in the public domain

would this really make any difference? even if public if within rules TUEs

would still be issued

I agree we should know..........we are not talking individual rights but

dispensation to use otherwise prohibited substances

+ 1st choice should be for riders to sit out events if unwell surely that's

better for the health of competitors?

Mark L

 

[Zam_Olyas]

The rumor was he only arrived Saturday night then left...

Really? or you made up the rumour.

 

[froooome]

So, according to WADA rules it's ok to use Prednisolon (and other oral or injectable glucocorticoids) as much as you like when training, but before races you have to be without it about a week unless you have a TUE for it. Fortunately every rider knows that, even those in MPCC-teams (like Roland), not only froomey...sounds a kind of fair play

 

[More Strides than Rides]

Yes to recovery.

The biggest enemy to a cyclist is inflammation. Not inflammation through injury but overuse and excessive amounts of training. The ability to get back on the bike the next day with next to nothing soreness and ride just as hard as the previous day is a huge advantage over a non-user. Your body is stiff and sore because it wants you to slow down so it can rebuild itself - hypertrophy etc.

An ice bath in a needle

Yes and no. Inflamation may be an enemy of performance, but it is part of the bigger set of singnaling pathways that trigger adaptaion; if you mute the consequnce of stress, you dim the bodies response and thus the training effect. Same thing with Ice baths.


I posted a little bit ago how I couldn't wait to "look under the hood" of Froome pharmacology once it all unravelled. There is so much to look at when watching the way different drugs interact with each other, or with environmental factors. Increadibly complex and sophisticated, I don't think we've scratched the surface. It really is fascinating.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Having digested all of this, while I don't think Froome or Sky has cheated in anyway, according the rules as they stand.

However the rules are wrong. I think the issuing of TUEs partiocularly drugs of this nature should be reviewed. Clearly this drug doesn't just address the respiratory problems Froome had, it has a systemic affect, gives the rider greater energy and lessens the effects of fatigue. So it clears up the cough AND gives Froome a performance boost during the Tour of Romandie.

That doesn't sit well with me, whatever the rules are. The MPCC doesn't allow TUEs, which is good, and other instituations insits on a 14 day rest period before issuing a TUE, giving the disease a chance to be cleared before the rider competes. If he still needs one after that, then he can have one.

But corticosteroids shouldn't be issued under a TUE ever IMO. If you need steroids then you don't race until you have stopped taking them. There must be greater attention to the severity of the disease and the potency of the drug taken to avoid any abuse of the system, because this system looks ripe for abuse.

Get these drugs out of the sport, its bonkers this is still going on after everything that has happened.

 

[jens_attacks]

Having digested all of this, while I don't think Froome or Sky has cheated in anyway, according the rules as they stand.

However the rules are wrong. I think the issuing of TUEs partiocularly drugs of this nature should be reviewed. Clearly this drug doesn't just address the respiratory problems Froome had, it has a systemic affect, gives the rider greater energy and lessens the effects of fatigue. So it clears up the cough AND gives Froome a performance boost during the Tour of Romandie.

That doesn't sit well with me, whatever the rules are. The MPCC doesn't allow TUEs, which is good, and other instituations insits on a 14 day rest period before issuing a TUE, giving the disease a chance to be cleared before the rider competes. If he still needs one after that, then he can have one.

But corticosteroids shouldn't be issued under a TUE ever IMO. If you need steroids then you don't race until you have stopped taking them. There must be greater attention to the severity of the disease and the potency of the drug taken to avoid any abuse of the system, because this system looks ripe for abuse.

Get these drugs out of the sport, its bonkers this is still going on after everything that has happened.

there was an urban myth saying the peloton wouldn't have chosen epo if corticosteroids would have been allowed and not banned in those times.. which is wrong of course but anyway....
things like cortico should definitely be allowed both in and out competition but absolutely monitored by health inspectors. everyone should have the same rights,being froome or ben king. mpcc is bullshiit anyway, all the teams in there use corticosteroids,many quite a lot.
legalizing cortico was one of the very few smart and healty decisions of anti-doping agencies. step by step they should allow things like testo and hgh too under strict monitoring.

banning substances is the most idiotic things allowing certain teams with certain budgets to have the most supreme technology in medicines while a guy like facchini can't take some cough syrup or whatever.

uci's problem right now should be how again it leaked. it supposed to be confidencial, it's the health of an athlete. that isn't something public in a free world to my knowledge

 

[JimmyFingers]

So riders should be allowed to use a drug that boosts their performance even if they are ill? Doesn't really compute. There's a lot of pressure on riders to perform but if a rider is ill enough to need cortico then they shouldn't be riding. I think most of the medical profession would agree.

 

[Brooks Fahey Baldwin]

Sorry if im repeating anything as I only read the last 3 pages.

I'll clarify a few things on cortisone in laymans terms for those interested.
For a short background; I hold a bachelor of sports science, bachelor of health sciences, master of osteopathy, master of strength and conditioning and am just about to finish medicine.

Cortisone is essentially a stress hormone that makes you feel AWESOME. Though it has many cool functions.
You know that feeling you get when you're up late and you just cant stay awake but about 1am you get a big second wind and manage to stay awake and productive? Thats cortisol, the bodies natural version of cortisone.

Prednisolone is another artificial form of the hormone, just a lot stronger in its action.

Cortisol is like a fight/flight hormone that acts over the course of hours instead of seconds like adrenaline. It causes your body to mobilise fat stores and turn them in to blood sugar. Among with a few other metabolic factors it makes you have high blood sugar available to burn for exercise.

Cortisol also makes the immune system slow down, same with bone deposition, tissue repair etc. It pretty much moves all bodily functions towards handling exercise/stress.

I have used prednisolone a couple of times before. I get rather bad eczema from some obscure food allergies. Therefore I use prednisolone about twice a year for 3 days when a bad attack hits.
From my own experience I can say that you can suddenly go and pump out a 6 hour ride and still do PBs on my favourite climb by the end. Normally I would be 2mins slower or so.
When you wake up the next day, you are entirely capable of hopping on the bike and pumping out another 6 hour ride with a PB at the end. No sore legs at all.

The recovery effects of cortisone could be down to their anti-inflamm effects, but it also helps your muscles load up with fuel easily (glycogen resynthesis: normally you struggle to do this after hard training).

The down sides:
- it can make you a bit agro, not like anabolics, more like being stressed and angry
- it suppresses the immune system. So if you take it for too long your immune system cracks the ****s with you (i think this is one of the major reasons for so called "overtraining") and you can contract something like human parvovirus like Greg Strock did.
- it slows down wound healing
- it seriously messes up your bone density in the long run
- if you are truely sick, ie lung infection, it tends to make you feel pretty horrible generally.


Cortisone is not the whole story to Froome. Although it could help explain the stupidly skinny physique and his ability to loose all of his arm musculature (even compared to Rasmussen).
Its not the 1% bull**** either. His bike fit and general ergonomics are terrible.
The magic to Froome is that his cardiac output is utterly nuts. I mean twice what would be expected from a highly elite athlete. What causes that? No idea, but I would love to find out.

 

[Hawkwood]

So riders should be allowed to use a drug that boosts their performance even if they are ill? Doesn't really compute. There's a lot of pressure on riders to perform but if a rider is ill enough to need cortico then they shouldn't be riding. I think most of the medical profession would agree.

If you're asthmatic I don't think taking the correct drugs at the correct dosages is going to boost your performance above what your natural ability is. In my case taking asthma medication does not get me back to the peak flow I would have without asthma. I guess one of the areas of concern is getting a diagnosis of asthma when you don't have asthma.

 

[Tinman]

But corticosteroids shouldn't be issued under a TUE ever IMO. If you need steroids then you don't race until you have stopped taking them. There must be greater attention to the severity of the disease and the potency of the drug taken to avoid any abuse of the system, because this system looks ripe for abuse.

Get these drugs out of the sport, its bonkers this is still going on after everything that has happened.

Yes to this, but qualifyer - "oral corticosteroids". With the existing WADA limit on inhaled a reasonable compromise and therefore ok.

 

[thehog]

Really? or you made up the rumour.

No, I didn't make it up.

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news...me-misses-liege-bastogne-liege-illness-121122

 

[Tinman]

Sorry if im repeating anything as I only read the last 3 pages.

...

The magic to Froome is that his cardiac output is utterly nuts. I mean twice what would be expected from a highly elite athlete. What causes that? No idea, but I would love to find out.

Nice post, thanks.

Baseline low dose EPO regime, masked by Bilharzia throwing out the BP values anyhow, intermittant catabolic steroids during training camps to aid recovery, training intensity on bike and power/weight, aided by careful protein diet (maybe a bit of Aicar in earlier Wiggo days) - see latest Sky website for breakfast choices.

Marginal gains indeed, all incremental knowledge over and above the 90's.

 

[froooome]

things like cortico should definitely be allowed both in and out competition but absolutely monitored by health inspectors. everyone should have the same rights,being froome or ben king. mpcc is bullshiit anyway, all the teams in there use corticosteroids,many quite a lot.

legalizing cortico was one of the very few smart and healty decisions of anti-doping agencies. step by step they should allow things like testo and hgh too under strict monitoring.

banning substances is the most idiotic things allowing certain teams with certain budgets to have the most supreme technology in medicines while a guy like facchini can't take some cough syrup or whatever.

uci's problem right now should be how again it leaked. it supposed to be confidencial, it's the health of an athlete. that isn't something public in a free world to my knowledge

Easy to share your opinion.

 

[Tinman]

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news...me-misses-liege-bastogne-liege-illness-121122

Don't forget Kiryienka - another scratch for L-B-L.

 

[Tinman]

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news...me-misses-liege-bastogne-liege-illness-121122

"The call leaves Sky with only six men in Liège, where the 100th edition of the race started in front of Belgium’s king. Richie Porte leads the team.
Sky also was unable to field a full team to support Bradley Wiggins this week at Italy’s Giro del Trentino. Ian Boswell supported Wiggins, but he also had to rush from the Amstel Gold Race and back north for today’s Liège-Bastogne-Liège. He was the only rider to ride the rare triple.

“The problem is that we’ve had all the illness and crashes this year, more than you’d expect. In the last couple of years, we’ve had proportionally less than you’d expect to have. It’s like we’ve saved them all for once!” Brailsford explained.

“We have Jonathan Tiernan-Locke who’s not racing, Sergio Henao and his cousin have gone back to Colombia. CJ Sutton has a nasty hole in his knee after his crash. Chris [Froome] who’s ill. Pete Kennaugh is ill. And we have three race rosters to fill.

“It’s not just about being able to field a team today, it’s Romandie next week and the Tour of California. If you start chopping and changing too much, you find yourself in a difficult spot.”

So with all these Team Sky scratchings at L-B-L and various other events, who attended the Tenerife training camp? And is Ritchie the only one not glowing? It would explain his lack of performance since...

 

[thehog]

"The call leaves Sky with only six men in Liège, where the 100th edition of the race started in front of Belgium’s king. Richie Porte leads the team.
Sky also was unable to field a full team to support Bradley Wiggins this week at Italy’s Giro del Trentino. Ian Boswell supported Wiggins, but he also had to rush from the Amstel Gold Race and back north for today’s Liège-Bastogne-Liège. He was the only rider to ride the rare triple.

“The problem is that we’ve had all the illness and crashes this year, more than you’d expect. In the last couple of years, we’ve had proportionally less than you’d expect to have. It’s like we’ve saved them all for once!” Brailsford explained.

“We have Jonathan Tiernan-Locke who’s not racing, Sergio Henao and his cousin have gone back to Colombia. CJ Sutton has a nasty hole in his knee after his crash. Chris [Froome] who’s ill. Pete Kennaugh is ill. And we have three race rosters to fill.

“It’s not just about being able to field a team today, it’s Romandie next week and the Tour of California. If you start chopping and changing too much, you find yourself in a difficult spot.”

So with all these Team Sky scratchings at L-B-L and various other events, who attended the Tenerife training camp? And is Ritchie the only one not glowing? It would explain his lack of performance since...

Yes someone messed up the dosages vs windowing and glowtimes which caused the mass scratchings.

What's the saying? "You can only connect the dots looking backwards".

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Yes and no. Inflamation may be an enemy of performance, but it is part of the bigger set of singnaling pathways that trigger adaptaion; if you mute the consequnce of stress, you dim the bodies response and thus the training effect. Same thing with Ice baths.


I posted a little bit ago how I couldn't wait to "look under the hood" of Froome pharmacology once it all unravelled. There is so much to look at when watching the way different drugs interact with each other, or with environmental factors. Increadibly complex and sophisticated, I don't think we've scratched the surface. It really is fascinating.

Yeah I was wondering the same thing, given the recent (?) study that showed antioxidants like Vit C are a no no post-exercise, as it's the oxidants that trigger that pathway adaptation. Very interesting developments.

So on the one hand you can train harder, but then your adaptation or potential improvement is muted due to curtailing the full extent of the adaptations available.

Cannot wait to find out the interventions these guys are on. I am of the opinion it's a leap forward, but would love it if it was really simple too.

Just hoping the SOL is not exceeded first bleh.