GreasyMonkey said:No. 1 on my list of suspects would be Sir Bradley..... Paving his way back to be designated leader for Team SKY in the TdF
And a nice pay-back for the crap from Team Froomster over the past year![]()
TANK91 said:Can mods change the title it was perfectly legal.
TANK91 said:Also im not really up to date with all things doping would you guys say it looks bad getting a TUE?. Why not give no rider a TUE would that help? Or isit unfair in some cases.
Benotti69 said:Seems some posters are missing the TUE is for a substance, prednisone, that is given to people suffering from Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease: e.g. emphysema. Now why would a guy be racing with COPD? Or why would a guy need a TUE for prednisone if he doesn't have COPD?
Why did the UCI grant a TUE for a rider suffering of COPD and instead tell team, rider too ill to race and if not then why let a guy take prednisone if he wasn't ill?
UCI look bad, Froome looks bad and Sky look bad.
Merckx index said:The one and only thing I liked about what Walsh said in his book on Sky (didn't read it, but did see lots of excerpts) is that--despite all his fawning over Froome--he said his impression of him was that he was very fragile, on the cusp of poor health, and that he didn't expect him to have a long run at the top of the GT world.
One secret to Froome's success has surely been his even-by-pro-cycling-standards emaciated body. A very narrow line between losing enough weight to become an elite climber and weakening your immune system to the point where you are vulnerable to a host of maladies. This isn't new to pro peloton riders, of course, but Froome may well have taken it further than most.
DirtyWorks said:Look at the timeline again. "sick" at LBL. Let's argue for a minute that was real. A reasonable person expects some sort of middling (for a TdF winner) performance and a "yeah, I'm still recovering from XYZ." a couple of days later.
But, no. A recovering rider just a couple of days later has peloton leading power. As with everything else about Sky, none of it makes any sense.
Benotti69 said:Seems some posters are missing the TUE is for a substance, prednisone, that is given to people suffering from Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease: e.g. emphysema. Now why would a guy be racing with COPD? Or why would a guy need a TUE for prednisone if he doesn't have COPD?
Benotti69 said:Seems some posters are missing the TUE is for a substance, prednisone, that is given to people suffering from Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease: e.g. emphysema. Now why would a guy be racing with COPD? Or why would a guy need a TUE for prednisone if he doesn't have COPD?
Why did the UCI grant a TUE for a rider suffering of COPD and instead tell team, rider too ill to race and if not then why let a guy take prednisone if he wasn't ill?
UCI look bad, Froome looks bad and Sky look bad.
GreasyMonkey said:If the illness was so severe as to require systemic cortico-steroids, he should not have been racing, that is assuming it was really an illness....
Assuming it was a genuine illness, the SKY management have probably jeopardised his TdF, looking at his performance this past week.
Personally I endorse the MPCC rule of using systemic corticosteroids means eight days out of racing from the completion of the dosage. Not even thinking of the performance benefits which result, but of the damage it can occur to the human body from the effects such as softening of tendons and ligament insertions, suppression of the adrenal cortex functions, amongst others.
Walkman said:Really weird situation. I can't believe how UCI can be incompetent enough to handle things this way.
bigcog said:Totally agree with this. Compare him to Contador who looks positively healthy. It also explains his performance degrading over the course of races and his apparent frailty such as after the crash on Friday.
May be legal, but 40mg of prednisolone makes you feel like a bit of an animal. When I'm on it, I get about 4.5hrs sleep, never feel tired, and can get PBs despite carrying a lung full of lemon curd. Never tried them when not ill, but suspect they are quite "recreational".
red_flanders said:It's the non-threat threat. We act like we're going to sue you, don't even bother to use the actual word "lawsuit" so that we can take the posture that we're fighting the unjust press, but later no one can prove we said we were going to sue.
frenchfry said:Lets see:
1. rider that won race has TUE for otherwise banned substance. check
2. facts are leaked by the French press. check
3. rider has claimed never having any TUEs, performances are as clean as the driven snow. check
4. UCI official involved in according of TUE. check
5. UCI says everything is OK, everybody move on please. check
6. trolls abound to discredit any discussion about wrong doings. check
The big difference so far is that I haven't seen anything about TUE-holding rider making generous donations to UCI. Yet.
Benotti69 said:Quote:
Harry Koene @hkoene
We only give prednisone (next to antibiotics) for chest infection in patients with COPD... Amount of bull**** is increasing
COPD = Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease: e.g. emphysema
So it looks like Froome is on a team program. Well that does not shock me.
Will they drop him from TdF now he is truly glowing........![]()
TailWindHome said:The big difference is that the Lance TUE was a UCI enabled fabrication in order to cover up a failed test. Lance knew it was false. The UCI knew it was false and crucially Emma O Reilly knew it was false.
There's nothing currently in evidence that this was the case in the Froome TUE.
TailWindHome said:The big difference is that the Lance TUE was a UCI enabled fabrication in order to cover up a failed test. Lance knew it was false. The UCI knew it was false and crucially Emma O Reilly knew it was false.
There's nothing currently in evidence that this was the case in the Froome TUE.
Will Carter said:The Asthma UK website states a dose of 40-50mg / day (http://www.asthma.org.uk/knowledge-bank-treatment-and-medicines-steroid-tablets).
Seems we have a difference of opinion ...
Benotti69 said:Seems some posters are missing the TUE is for a substance, prednisone, that is given to people suffering from Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease: e.g. emphysema. Now why would a guy be racing with COPD? Or why would a guy need a TUE for prednisone if he doesn't have COPD?
Why did the UCI grant a TUE for a rider suffering of COPD and instead tell team, rider too ill to race and if not then why let a guy take prednisone if he wasn't ill?
UCI look bad, Froome looks bad and Sky look bad.
Benotti69 said:Astham UK websote also says
"When you are taking regular tablet steroids your adrenal gland becomes lazy, and makes less of its own natural steroids. This means you have less ability to cope with infections or deal with physical stress."
Like to give an opinion how Froome can do the physical stress!
Will Carter said:I'm not debating the other points made, just that it has been stated on here a number times that the steroid in question is only given to people with COPD / Emphysema / etc. which is a misrepresentation of the facts.
Medications
Depending upon the severity of your symptoms, your doctor might suggest:
Bronchodilators. These drugs can help relieve coughing, shortness of breath and breathing problems by relaxing constricted airways, but they're not as effective in treating emphysema as they are in treating asthma or chronic bronchitis.
Inhaled steroids. Corticosteroid drugs inhaled as aerosol sprays may help relieve shortness of breath. Prolonged use may weaken your bones and increase your risk of high blood pressure, cataracts and diabetes.
Antibiotics. If you develop a bacterial infection, like acute bronchitis or pneumonia, antibiotics are appropriate.