UCI helped Froome with illegal(?) TUE at Romandie

[thehog]

About froome @ LBL rumor back then was that he did not even travel to Belgium and was only lined up because ASO asked Sky to do so (because it was the 100th edition and they wanted the Tour de France winner to line up). - search

The rumor was he only arrived Saturday night then left...

 

[Granville57]

If Cookson was anti doping first thing he could do is to make all teams TUEs public.

Arguably that would be illegal under EU law

There are several things on the WADA list that are used for genuine medical problems that are private and should remain so unless the athlete wants to talk about it.

But but but...

Team Sky principal Sir Dave Brailsford told French television in an interview, broadcast Tuesday, that all TUEs should be publicly released before the Tour, as a step to be transparent and to rebuild credibility.
http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/07/news/froome-confirms-no-tue-still-treated-for-bilharzia-parasite_295548#dHxFYHfM6rhwD2DQ.99

 

[Granville57]

Here's a tinfoil hat question for y'all.

Let's suppose that one rider uses an inhaler with contents that do not require a TUE.

Lets's suppose that another rider uses an inhaler with contents that do require a TUE.


Either way. Are the contents of those inhalers ever checked by anyone? Ever?


Or does anti-doping, in this particular scenario, only rely on the "honor system"?

 

[Beech Mtn]

The director of the Tour de Romandie is a long time friend and Ally of Pat McQuaid. Im sure Pat has no objections to the UCI being hit with scandals to show what a bad job Cookson is doing.

Now this is an interesting point. Wonder if we could see any more potentially explosive/embarrassing leaks to the media in the run up to the Yorkshire start? If Pat were to be out for revenge, he knows the best time to set off a bomb in the press.

<snipped>

If you are OK to pull from LBL, why risk things at Romandie? I get Froome is a stage racer, but Romandie is a nothing race. They easily could have scrubbed him as they did 3 days before.

It may be that they were getting pressure/unwanted attention for having pulled so many riders from so many races and didn't want the bad press for dropping out of yet another race? Plus Romandie being a stage race, they may have felt the race days were more important for Froome's Tour prep? Just tossing out other possibilities.

I suspect lots of guys on lots of teams have similar TUEs from time-to-time at races, and we never hear about it. I do question how many of those riders with TUEs dominate the hell out of the races. UCI really ought to publish some sort of data for in-competition TUEs - even if not the substance, at least the number of TUEs a rider has over the course of the race, and the dates for which the medication was covered/taken. Then leave it up to the rider to explain his TUEs or not.

I suspect we wouldn't care so much about TUEs taken by domestiques and also-rans, but it would be useful to know for podium, jersey wearers, stage winners, etc just how prevalent TUE assistance is.

I also suspect we wouldn't care so much if some other guy had a similar TUE because I can't recall most teams ever making the absurd claim that they would never,never,never let a rider race with a TUE and would consistently pull him from the event instead.

People only tend to comment about side effects of medicines, if they have the side effects. People who have no side effects don't tend to comment.

A medication Im on if you google you will find countless reports of people having horrendous side effects, and one of the potential side effects is increased risk of suicide.

Ive had no side effects, and am still alive. But I dont feel the need to post that all over the internet to counteract the negative posts.

So your "most after a few days became psychotic" is actually..

"Most people who suffered side effects and decided to comment about it on an internet site suffered some psychosis. But these people reflect a very small percentage of total people taking the drug"

Plus, that website - people's pharmacy - tends to have a lot of emphasis on natural cures, etc. Its audience would naturally tend to be a bit more skeptical/negative regarding prescription meds, IMO.

I greatly enjoy Hog's posts, but that one was a bridge too far

 

[Beech Mtn]

I believe you missed the blindingly obvious that the TUE wasn't a regular TUE but one for reasons of "acute" illness and reasons of "exceptional" circumstances.

An exceptional performance it was. Hence why it's a banned substance holding a 2 year suspension for a positive test.

But carry on

I think we maybe ought to look a bit closer at the definition of "acute" when it comes to getting a TUE. That may just be a term the UCI uses to refer to situations that develop during a race & need a quick ruling on TUE approval.

For example, getting a wasp sting during the TdF, and can JV have something to stop the swelling on his eye?

Or Nibali at the Vuelta

MPCC president Roger Legeay said that the regulations governing the use of glucorticosteroids are laid down by the UCI rather than expressly by the MPCC, and he explained that he had advised Astana team doctor Raquel Ortolano on the matter ahead of the previous day’s time trial.

But it’s not a question of blaming the UCI, the MPCC or Astana,” Legeay continued. “If the question is whether the rider needed to be treated with cortisone or not for the wasp sting, then the answer is perhaps ‘no’ seeing as he was able to ride a good time trial and take the red jersey without resorting to using cortisone.

 

[sniper]

...
Or does anti-doping, in this particular scenario, only rely on the "honor system"?

not only.
if the inhaler would contain anything untoward, the postrace antidoping tests would of course expose that

 

[DirtyWorks]

Are the contents of those inhalers ever checked by anyone? Ever?


Or does anti-doping, in this particular scenario, only rely on the "honor system"?

Let's imagine a legit TUE is issued for clenbuterol. It's up to the athlete to be sure she/he is getting the stuff in the TUE. NADOs make this clear in their standards of athlete's practice of being a WADA-tested athlete.

The athlete with the TUE gets tested for whatever reason.

Test returns positive for clen. There's no sanction process opened from an imaginary federation that processes all positives because of the TUE.

Test results return positive for DHEA (or whatever). Sanctioning process would be started in an imaginary federation that processes all positives because DHEA isn't covered by the TUE.

 

[Granville57]

not only.
if the inhaler would contain anything untoward, the postrace antidoping tests would of course expose that

They test the athletes for PEDs?

 

[deValtos]

Here's a tinfoil hat question for y'all.

Let's suppose that one rider uses an inhaler with contents that do not require a TUE.

Lets's suppose that another rider uses an inhaler with contents that do require a TUE.


Either way. Are the contents of those inhalers ever checked by anyone? Ever?


Or does anti-doping, in this particular scenario, only rely on the "honor system"?

Use of (nearly all oral) asthma medication can be checked with a urine test.

 

[sniper]

But but but...

nice find by the way.

 

[Benotti69]

Fixed that for you.

Cookson has pressure from every direction that matters ($$$) to keep the theater going. From the sports administration perspective issuing TUE's contrary to WADA standard is always the right thing to do.

And why not? The UCI is the final authority on all anti-doping matters in the sport. Discussions about sick riders racing is just a distraction from the fact no one pays any mind to WADA standards.

Exactamundo. For this reason i dont believe a WT team would bother with clean riders. Why would you when you can get better performances from doped ones?

As for the privacy of medical records. Well if the sport (riders included) wants fans to believe it is clean, then they would be transparent, but that they aren't shows they are not clean.

 

[keeponrollin]

I think we maybe ought to look a bit closer at the definition of "acute" when it comes to getting a TUE. That may just be a term the UCI uses to refer to situations that develop during a race & need a quick ruling on TUE approval.

I think this is something the UCI does need to address. I've no objections to someone getting the treatment they need for an illness, & if that treatment requires a proscribed medication, then they need a TUE, because the medication is on the list for a reason. The part that's missing is an acknowledgement that by providing the TUE, there is an opportunity to now cover up an illegal substance taken outside of the TUE, or to just get the performance boost that the stuff was banned for in the first place.

If a rider wants a TUE, they have to eliminate themselves competition for the period they are under treatment, &/or until all traces of the banned substance are out of their system, so that no positive can be masked by the TUE.

Cyclings image is so badly tarnished at this point, that the UCI has to see WADA guidelines as a start point, not an end point for restrictions.

 

[sniper]

Fixed that for you.

Cookson has pressure from every direction that matters ($$$) to keep the theater going. From the sports administration perspective issuing TUE's contrary to WADA standard is always the right thing to do.

And why not? The UCI is the final authority on all anti-doping matters in the sport. Discussions about sick riders racing is just a distraction from the fact no one pays any mind to WADA standards.

indeed, if anything, TUE-gate shows that antidoping is far from independent, even though cookson likes to pretend it is.

@BrianCooksonUCI what happened to independent testing, something which was at the cornerstone of your campaign nine months ago?

Brian Cookson OBE ‏@BrianCooksonUCI · 20h
@Digger_forum CADF is now fully independent of UCI.

 

[DirtyWorks]

The part that's missing is an acknowledgement that by providing the TUE, there is an opportunity to now cover up an illegal substance taken outside of the TUE

It doesn't work like that. The national/international federation just ignores the positive.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...wing-Rasmussen-allegations.aspx#ixzz2jEBfLLSG

he [Rasmussen] writes that his value of immature red blood cells [reticulocytes] was just 0.23, under the minimum threshold of 0.3. However he stated that the UCI let him continue in the race, even though there were other suspicious samples.

Cleanest peloton ever.

Cyclings image is so badly tarnished at this point, that the UCI has to see WADA guidelines as a start point, not an end point for restrictions.

Not. Going. To. Happen. On second thought, signs point to a clean-ish 2014 Giro. I have no idea how or why there is this dichotomy.

 

[TailWindHome]

“Bradley has been carrying a mild chest infection from the weekend so he has been taking antibiotics and his condition has improved. Racing with this illness has affected him a bit, but he’s shown his commitment and has worked really well for the team.”
Read more at http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,30824_9352413,00.html#UjPgXgwX1X0kqyHM.99

 

[the sceptic]

“Bradley has been carrying a mild chest infection from the weekend so he has been taking antibiotics and his condition has improved. Racing with this illness has affected him a bit, but he’s shown his commitment and has worked really well for the team.”
Read more at http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,30824_9352413,00.html#UjPgXgwX1X0kqyHM.99

the emergency horse roid TUE didnt come through in time? Or maybe he has badzilla?

 

[Rollthedice]

the emergency horse roid TUE didnt come through in time? Or maybe he has badzilla?

They are too skinny to stay outdoors for prolonged periods of time especially in cold weather.

 

[armchairclimber]

“Bradley has been carrying a mild chest infection from the weekend so he has been taking antibiotics and his condition has improved. Racing with this illness has affected him a bit, but he’s shown his commitment and has worked really well for the team.”
Read more at http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,30824_9352413,00.html#UjPgXgwX1X0kqyHM.99

Brad is asthmatic. he has a chest infection. Why not give him Predinisolone?

 

[deValtos]

If a rider wants a TUE, they have to eliminate themselves competition for the period they are under treatment, &/or until all traces of the banned substance are out of their system, so that no positive can be masked by the TUE.

Wouldn't work as not all TUE's are 'one time' uses, some are for life.

 

[Benotti69]

Brad is asthmatic. he has a chest infection. Why not give him Predinisolone?

How do we know Sky have not applied for a TUE for Wiggins?

 

[mrhender]

“Bradley has been carrying a mild chest infection from the weekend so he has been taking antibiotics and his condition has improved. Racing with this illness has affected him a bit, but he’s shown his commitment and has worked really well for the team.”
Read more at http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,30824_9352413,00.html#UjPgXgwX1X0kqyHM.99

Is it just me, or is this just mocking the former Tour Champion??

 

[armchairclimber]

Is it just me, or is this just mocking the former Tour Champion??

Well, it's not exactly respectful.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

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Keep cheering .

When i saw this, it reminded me

 

[Benotti69]

When i saw this, it reminded me

Nice one Zam

 

[uspostal]

“Bradley has been carrying a mild chest infection from the weekend so he has been taking antibiotics and his condition has improved. Racing with this illness has affected him a bit, but he’s shown his commitment and has worked really well for the team.”
Read more at http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,272...gwX1X0kqyHM.99

Seems to me this maybe more aimed at Froome, showing that Wiggins is the stronger rider not pulling out the jet fuel card. Or it could be that Bradley is getting screwed over by all the crap surrounding team Sky and TUE's so he's left to fend for himself??? Either way Sir Bradley is getting hosed.