UCI helped Froome with illegal(?) TUE at Romandie

[thehog]

Illegal how?

I'll give you a hint... its banned for usage during races.

So, you know, its illegal.

 

[Benotti69]

If the team doctors can call up uncle Zorzoli and get TUE's without anyone else seeing the "patient" it is a big hole in UCI's much praised (not here obviously, but by WADA and IOC) anti-doping system. Why isn't the race doctor involved at least? He/she should be easily available and somewhat more neutral than the team doctor.

Hey, if the word of the team doctor is good enough for David Walsh it is good enough for everyone

 

[the sceptic]

I'll give you a hint... its banned for usage during races.

So, you know, its illegal.

Seems like doping is ok, as long as Zorzoli signs on a paper. But to me it doesnt seem fair that some riders can have a cough and get horse steroids, while others can not. This isnt any better than normal doping, imo. And without the leak, no one would know about this either and Froome couldnt be any cleaner.

 

[Granville57]

So, you know, its illegal.

"Unless you win."

Is that not in the fine print? Somewhere?

 

[thehog]

Seems like doping is ok, as long as Zorzoli signs on a paper. But to me it doesnt seem fair that some riders can have a cough and get horse steroids, while others can not. This isnt any better than normal doping, imo. And without the leak, no one would know about this either and Froome couldnt be any cleaner.

Its marginal gains. What's wrong with taking a horse load of horse steroids? Should be allowed to rub Nibali's face in it if he's so weak and wants to be a member of the MPCC. He needs to man up and get some illegal drugs of his own signed off by the UCI

 

[thehog]

"Unless you win."

Is that not in the fine print? Somewhere?

exactly

or send a text to Dad;

"Dad, Da Dawg needs sme of dat horse stuff, plz get Z to sign off?"

 

[TailWindHome]

I'll give you a hint... its banned for usage during races.

So, you know, its illegal.

So it's legality is derived from the rules of the sport?

The same rules which permit it's use under TUE - therefore making it legal


So when you said this

Yes facts.

Froome used an illegal performance enhancing steroid to win Romandie.

That's what it comes down to

Turns out that ain't a fact either.




Jeez. You're not very good at this, are you?

 

[BYOP88]

In all the BS for me if an ATHLETE needs prescribed something like Prenisilone or any of your other favourite Glucorticosteroids then they should NOT be racing, they need a steroid they are unfit to race. I believe that it's not the first time Froome has had this.

It continues to bug me that teams and the UCI seem not to give a damn about rider health, TUEs are all very well but if a rider needs something "heavy" they shouldn't be riding

This x1,000,000

 

[yespatterns]

Sorry if this a rehash, but im at work and cannot read ~700 posts, but isnt zorzoli pretty sketch as far as integrity goes anyway? How is he still even in the position he is? (Rhetorical, pretty sure I know how) Do we have definitive proof of his shadiness of late, aside from froome's tue fiasco?

 

[Tinman]

Back to Who leaked the TUE...?

Any takers for Zorzoli himself?

Seems like just the thing he could do, whilst he feels he cannot easily dismiss the TUE request, and it clearly not being good for the TdR organizer nor UCI itself if Froome would have had to withdraw, a leak at about this time well ahead of TdF certainly puts a fair bit of pressure on Sky and Froome to watch themselves.

A bit like the Mafiosi enforcer slapping up the local butcher for being late with his security payment. Show them who's boss after all.

 

[noddy69]

This x1,000,000

I second that....and people should lay of Froome if they are going to go for one man. Either lay off or call all the top riders out. If the Armstrong case taught anyone anything at all its that if one is doing it and others are close then they are all at it.
Lets see all the riders who have had TUE's this year and over the grand tours and one day classics...I know one certain multiple winner of a one day who is fond of cortisone and without it his form drops. Its so easy to see the pattern but because he is liked people look the other way, a bit like contador.
Nibali, Rodriguez, Quintana, Martin, Cancellara...especially him, all the top riders need to be seriously looked at.....but it will never happen.
If Froome gets roasted it will bring indignation and people will call for his head....and say its bad for cycling and we will get the same BS all over again.

 

[Granville57]

isnt zorzoli pretty sketch as far as integrity goes anyway?

Dr Mario Zorzoli thread
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=22460

 

[the sceptic]

Dr Mario Zorzoli thread
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=22460

I struggle to see how he could be any more ethical.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Just because I was curious:

Bolded are MPCC member teams

1 OmegaPharma - Quick Step Cycling Team PRT 13731
2. Movistar Team PRT 10568
3. BMC Racing Team PRT 10148
4. Team Sky PRT 9363
5. Tinkoff - Saxo PRT 9058
6. Team Katusha PRT 9016

Nice find!

 

[yespatterns]

Dr Mario Zorzoli thread
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=22460

Thanks, I appreciate it!

 

[thehog]

So Froome cheated to win over.....


1 Christopher Froome (GBr) Team Sky 16:18:46
2 Simon Spilak (Slo) Team Katusha 0:00:28
3 Rui Alberto Faria da Costa (Por) Lampre-Merida 0:01:32
4 Mathias Frank (Swi) IAM Cycling 0:01:44
5 Vincenzo Nibali (Ita) Astana Pro Team 0:01:48
6 Beñat Intxausti Elorriaga (Spa) Movistar Team 0:01:52
7 Jakob Fuglsang (Den) Astana Pro Team 0:01:56
8 Jon Izaguirre Insausti (Spa) Movistar Team 0:02:07
9 Jesus Herrada Lopez (Spa) Movistar Team 0:02:15
10 Thibaut Pinot (Fra) FDJ.fr 0:02:31
11 Andrew Talansky (USA) Garmin Sharp 0:02:38
12 Riccardo Zoidl (Aut) Trek Factory Racing

Just because I was curious:

Bolded are MPCC member teams

1 OmegaPharma - Quick Step Cycling Team PRT 13731
2. Movistar Team PRT 10568
3. BMC Racing Team PRT 10148
4. Team Sky PRT 9363
5. Tinkoff - Saxo PRT 9058
6. Team Katusha PRT 9016
7. Lampre - Merida PRT 8614
8. Ag2r La Mondiale PRT 8541
9. Team Giant - Shimano PRT 8426
10. Belkin Pro Cycling Team PRT 8359
11. Garmin - Sharp PRT 7885
12. FDJ.fr PRT 7600
13. Astana Pro Team PRT 7503
14. Orica - GreenEDGE PRT 7385
15. Cannondale PRT 7053
16. Trek Factory Racing PRT 6598
17. Lotto - Belisol PRT 6572
18. IAM Cycling PROF 5553
19. Team Europcar PRT 4785
20. Cofidis, Solutions Crédits PROF 4630
21. Wanty - Groupe Gobert PROF 3898
22. Topsport Vlaanderen - Baloise PROF 3426
23. Team NetApp - Endura PROF 3282
24. MTN - Qhubeka PROF 2822
25. Androni Giocattoli - Venezuela PROF 2679
26. Caja Rural - Seguros RGA PROF 2486 27. Bretagne - Séché Environnement PROF 2455
28. Bardiani - CSF PROF 2404
29. Neri Sottoli PROF 2396
30. CCC Polsat - Polkowice PROF 2370

 

[mewmewmew13]

I second that....and people should lay of Froome if they are going to go for one man. Either lay off or call all the top riders out. If the Armstrong case taught anyone anything at all its that if one is doing it and others are close then they are all at it.
Lets see all the riders who have had TUE's this year and over the grand tours and one day classics...I know one certain multiple winner of a one day who is fond of cortisone and without it his form drops. Its so easy to see the pattern but because he is liked people look the other way, a bit like contador.
Nibali, Rodriguez, Quintana, Martin, Cancellara...especially him, all the top riders need to be seriously looked at.....but it will never happen.
If Froome gets roasted it will bring indignation and people will call for his head....and say its bad for cycling and we will get the same BS all over again.

I say Froome has shot his mouth off more than most...and in an extreme high profile position. Therefore the arrogance and taunting of "come prove I'm dirty" has once again come into play.

They all need to be held accountable but at the end of the day most are smart enough to stay under the radar re comments...

 

[thehog]

So it's legality is derived from the rules of the sport?

The same rules which permit it's use under TUE - therefore making it legal

So when you said this

Turns out that ain't a fact either.

Jeez. You're not very good at this, are you?

The drug is banned in completion per the WADA code and requires a UCI committee to approve in-completion use for reasons of exception.

A committee did not approval the therapeutic use for Froome therefore it's still remains an illegal use of the drug.

Froome and Sky requested the use of the drug so he could win the race.

Facts, don't you hate them?

 

[_nm___]

So Froome cheated to win over.....


1 Christopher Froome (GBr) Team Sky 16:18:46
2 Simon Spilak (Slo) Team Katusha 0:00:28
3 Rui Alberto Faria da Costa (Por) Lampre-Merida 0:01:32
4 Mathias Frank (Swi) IAM Cycling 0:01:44
5 Vincenzo Nibali (Ita) Astana Pro Team 0:01:48
6 Beñat Intxausti Elorriaga (Spa) Movistar Team 0:01:52
7 Jakob Fuglsang (Den) Astana Pro Team 0:01:56
8 Jon Izaguirre Insausti (Spa) Movistar Team 0:02:07
9 Jesus Herrada Lopez (Spa) Movistar Team 0:02:15
10 Thibaut Pinot (Fra) FDJ.fr 0:02:31
11 Andrew Talansky (USA) Garmin Sharp 0:02:38
12 Riccardo Zoidl (Aut) Trek Factory Racing

might be interesting to see whether a rider's performance tends to drop when he switches team from a non mpcc member to an mpcc member

 

[TailWindHome]

The drug is banned in completion per the WADA code and requires a UCI committee to approve in-completion use for reasons of exception.

A committee did not approval the therapeutic use for Froome therefore it's still remains an illegal use of the drug.

Froome and Sky requested the use of the drug so he could win the race.

Facts, don't you hate them?

Yet

“WADA is satisfied that the UCI’s decision to grant a Therapeutic Use Exemption (TUE) to Chris Froome was conducted according to the rules of the International Standard for Therapeutic Use Exemptions (ISTUE), and therefore will not be reviewing this case any further,”

Clearly they weren't in possession of all your facts.

 

[TailWindHome]

So Froome cheated to win over.....


1 Christopher Froome (GBr) Team Sky 16:18:46
2 Simon Spilak (Slo) Team Katusha 0:00:28
3 Rui Alberto Faria da Costa (Por) Lampre-Merida 0:01:32
4 Mathias Frank (Swi) IAM Cycling 0:01:44
5 Vincenzo Nibali (Ita) Astana Pro Team 0:01:48
6 Beñat Intxausti Elorriaga (Spa) Movistar Team 0:01:52
7 Jakob Fuglsang (Den) Astana Pro Team 0:01:56
8 Jon Izaguirre Insausti (Spa) Movistar Team 0:02:07
9 Jesus Herrada Lopez (Spa) Movistar Team 0:02:15
10 Thibaut Pinot (Fra) FDJ.fr 0:02:31
11 Andrew Talansky (USA) Garmin Sharp 0:02:38
12 Riccardo Zoidl (Aut) Trek Factory Racing

To be fair, if he cheated then he cheated to beat ALL the riders - not just the MPCC members

 

[thehog]

Yet

“WADA is satisfied that the UCI’s decision to grant a Therapeutic Use Exemption (TUE) to Chris Froome was conducted according to the rules of the International Standard for Therapeutic Use Exemptions (ISTUE), and therefore will not be reviewing this case any further,”

Clearly they weren't in possession of all your facts.

Hence why it's important to ask questions of "favouritism" by the UCI towards Sky given the illegal provision of an illegal in-competing steroid.

Thus why the UCI is now setting up a committee as they've admitted they got it wrong by allowing the illegal drug to be used.

You were aware of this weren't you? That they didn't follow WADA guidelines?

Perhaps so they could provide favours? It's a worthy question.

 

[Beech Mtn]

I second that....and people should lay of Froome if they are going to go for one man. Either lay off or call all the top riders out. If the Armstrong case taught anyone anything at all its that if one is doing it and others are close then they are all at it.
Lets see all the riders who have had TUE's this year and over the grand tours and one day classics...I know one certain multiple winner of a one day who is fond of cortisone and without it his form drops. Its so easy to see the pattern but because he is liked people look the other way, a bit like contador.
Nibali, Rodriguez, Quintana, Martin, Cancellara...especially him, all the top riders need to be seriously looked at.....but it will never happen.
If Froome gets roasted it will bring indignation and people will call for his head....and say its bad for cycling and we will get the same BS all over again.

Except that Froome is the one who won the race. The guys finishing 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th weren't doing the same thing as Froome, because they are MPCC members and can't apply for a TUE for this very detectible drug that Froome got clearance to use.

If the Armstrong case taught anyone anything at all, it's that doping is never a level playing field.

 

[red_flanders]

Yet

“WADA is satisfied that the UCI’s decision to grant a Therapeutic Use Exemption (TUE) to Chris Froome was conducted according to the rules of the International Standard for Therapeutic Use Exemptions (ISTUE), and therefore will not be reviewing this case any further,”

Clearly they weren't in possession of all your facts.

That's about process. They followed the process, great. We knew that would be the result going into the WADA review.

The process however, addresses nothing WRT the question, "Was Froome actually so ill he needed corticoid treatment for an acute respiratory issue?" Which of course, is a nonsense question since no one with such an issue could compete, let alone win in dominant fashion.

The system, which has giant holes in it, was followed. That does not explain the situation. It does not absolve Froome of what appears to be at best manipulation of the system and quite more likely, doping and using a TUE to cover his glow time.

 

[eleven]

I don't have the time to read this whole thread - so forgive me if this has been addressed: Does it really make sense that Froome would abuse a TUE in order to win Romandie? I know it's a significant spring stage race, but it's still a spring stage race. If he and/or Sky are abusing TUE's to win Romandie, I'd hate to think what they'll/d do to win the Tour.