UCI in a panic over document in Friday's L'Equipe

[FoxxyBrown1111]

This is an excellent observation. The only really exception to that was the Contador and Kloden vs. the two Schlecks in 2009. That attack happened pretty early, but at that point, it was through necessity.

I think you're right. Other than instances where necessity calls for it, attacks are delayed until the last moment.

At least somebody who tries to interpret the list neutral.

To be honest, at the end only Horner looks suspicious. Martin and Gerdemann are from Germany, so i might be more surprised then others. In that case the list makes even more sense.

No big conspiracy here....

 

[Boeing]

Perhaps the biggest surprise here involve the following names:

Boom, Fabio, horner, Hunter, Rast, Renshaw, Roche, Voekler, DZ

word to their mothers

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Perhaps the biggest surprise here involve the following names:

Boom, Fabio, horner, Hunter, Rast, Renshaw, Roche, Voekler, DZ

word to their mothers

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

I would like to remind everyone that the guy in my avatar has been kicking a$$ this year again and he scored....ZERO.

Of course, he's never going to win one of the big monuments or a GT. But hey, he's making a solid living racing clean.

Allez Tommy Voeckler!

 

[Mellow Velo]

After carefully monitoring "The Clinic" and other forums for months, the UCI compiled a bogus TDF list to be leaked to a reliable publishing source.
The desired effect being to cause the forums to spend an abnormal amount of time debating the abnormalities within the abnormalities.

Or, with Cancellara's zero score and after his ride at the E3, Flanders etc, it is a precursor for the UCI's official campaign to legalizing PEDs, to help those with a score of >5 to keep up.

 

[Escarabajo]

This is an excellent observation. The only really exception to that was the Contador and Kloden vs. the two Schlecks in 2009. That attack happened pretty early, but at that point, it was through necessity.

I think you're right. Other than instances where necessity calls for it, attacks are delayed until the last moment.

I don't know if it is only a coincidence since the recent courses have been design for late fireworks. The big mountains have been stacked in the third week.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

I didn't mean put them on the bottom. The list needs to have the vaguest smell of validity, so a couple of points either way to protect the most valuable riders according to the UCI's top secret popularity contest is reasonable.

I realize Menchov's 9 cripples my crackpot theory. Other than him, it works.

I think Menchov supports your theory. They need a 'name' rider to throw under the bus every once in a while - Vino, Ricco, FP etc, none of whom are going to disrupt the franchise. Menchov getting popped is better for the money men than Dertie or the Schlecks. No one likes Menchov - he's ugly, Russian and boring to watch (in the eyes of the franchise) popularity index.
There are lots of Contador, Schleck, FabCan, Frodo fanboys, but how many Menchov fanboys have you ever met?

 

[hrotha]

I would like to remind everyone that the guy in my avatar has been kicking a$$ this year again and he scored....ZERO.

Of course, he's never going to win one of the big monuments or a GT. But hey, he's making a solid living racing clean.

Allez Tommy Voeckler!

Ah, but he wasn't killing it last year the way he's killing it in 2011. Damn I love double-edged swords!

 

[Tim_sleepless]

I think Menchov supports your theory. They need a 'name' rider to throw under the bus every once in a while - Vino, Ricco, FP etc, none of whom are going to disrupt the franchise. Menchov getting popped is better for the money men than Dertie or the Schlecks. No one likes Menchov - he's ugly, Russian and boring to watch (in the eyes of the franchise) popularity index.

He crashes a lot though... that's got to be worth something.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Gesink is one of 'the' bigger names, together with F Schleck.

Frank Schleck is a "2," not a 0 or a 1.

As explained by the newspaper, only the scores of zero and one meant that the riders had a very clean record. Ratings from two to four were based on stable passports which nevertheless showed a rare abnormality at a precise time. From five upwards, the comments associated to the rider files started to become much more precise, "even affirmative" according to L'Equipe.

 

[Escarabajo]

No, they are based on tests prior to the TDF. Cancellara should (based on his spring) have been the most tested cyclist in that period.

And because of this he was rarely tested during the tour (Maybe not even another blood test), which makes him look clean again at the end of the tour. This is like a vicious cycle. That's the problem I have with this scale at the beginning of the Tour.

What about riders that only target the Tour, get little exposure in previous races, are isolated, and charge during the Tour only. These types of riders will have a very low score IMHO. Unless they get visited at home just after they have withdrawn blood. Other than that, they won't set any alarms.

Maybe Cancellara is the only big surprise that does not add up. Other riders have an explanation.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I don't know if it is only a coincidence since the recent courses have been design for late fireworks. The big mountains have been stacked in the third week.

Don´t think you are right here. May you mean the TdF 2009 (Ventoux). But just last year there was a big mountain stage where actually nothing happened. Just some years ago a rider named Landis used such a course to attack right in the middle of the stage.

Would you think somebody would have said something like this just 5 years ago, or in the 90s when the GT´s were even harder??
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/millar-giro-so-hard-that-it-might-neutralise-the-race

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

Remember this?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/high-profile-italian-doping-case-close

Having announced two months ago that the UCI's biological passport had detected suspect profiles with the likely cause being doping, cycling's governing body appears close to declaring which rider has fallen foul of the sport's anti-doping governance.

Monday's Gazzetta dello Sport reported that between five and eight riders could be named, suggesting that they could include a Russian, two Spaniards, a Slovenian and probably two Italians, of whom one is riding the Giro d'Italia with ambitions of success.

Were Pelli, Tadej & Caucchioli 11's?

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Ah, but he wasn't killing it last year the way he's killing it in 2011. Damn I love double-edged swords!

Eh? He won the French championship last year and a stage at the Tour.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Don´t be angry Knuckles. Some pipo seem to confuse looking at a list neutral with thinking it´s a "I-love-Hate-This-Guy-List".

Voeckler could have dominated the TdF if born in another country or decade. It´s no coincidence that french has no big GT-Winner/Contender for a long time, when in the same time the fight against doping begun in this country.

I don´t trust any rider anymore, but i am sure that Voeckler is one of the cleanest out there. Voeckler is solid for years, always trying to escape and this year, he´s just lucky to have one or two more wins. It´s just random, coz of the small sample size. But for sure he´s no "up-and-downer" like Menchov...

Again, the List makes perfect sense.

 

[la.margna]

the list impressively shows, which doctors are working and calculating precisely and apply efficient masking methods and substances, while a few seem to be on a do it yourself program

Spartacus @ 0 is absolutely incredible. I have always said I'd love to have his legs and doctor!

 

[hrotha]

Don´t be angry Knuckles. Some pipo seem to confuse looking at a list neutral with thinking it´s a "I-love-Hate-This-Guy-List"

And some people are just kidding. I don't have any particular reason to believe Voeckler dopes.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

hrotha

You know in the clinic, it´s not always clear who´s sarcastic, kidding or plain trolling

So i meant my post more general to the much BS i´ve had to read here today. The longer the thread got, the more the quality got down...

 

[roundabout]

And some people are just kidding. I don't have any particular reason to believe Voeckler dopes.

He has been one of the best this year. 2nd in wins, 4th in CQ points. Wonder if he is still a zero.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Why o why is Cancellara not winning the TdF if he´s such a great doper??

Didn´t all those great TT-ler win the TdF in the Hi-Tech-Dope-Era or at least finish wayyy higher than 130th?? Like Armstrong, Indurain, Zülle, Ulle, etc. etc....

 

[hrotha]

Why o why is Cancellara not winning the TdF if he´s such a great doper??

Didn´t all those great TT-ler win the TdF in the Hi-Tech-Dope-Era or at least finish wayyy higher than 130th?? Like Armstrong, Indurain, Zülle, Ulle, etc. etc....

Hmmm, Museeuw?
edit: I actually missed the TT reference, but still, it sort of counts because Cancellara is also a classics guy.

 

[roundabout]

I think he means that Cancellara can ramp the program up to say a 5 and try for a GC.

 

[thehog]

Good comment from l'equipe (the tabloid);


That was a point echoed by the newspaper, too. L’Equipe‘s editorial column that accompanied the list praises cycling and the UCI for the fight against doping. Under the headline “Cycling shows the way” editor Gilles Simon writes (in part): “What you have in front of your eyes is not a lists of culprits. The inventory prepared by the UCI doctors is a working document for the attention of the anti-doping inspectors. Its a unique document, without precedent in other sports, the fruit of a long-term work and observation, which constitutes a sharp instrument in the anti-doping politics led by the UCI. … it reveals a reality far detached from the belief that ‘all doped’ and twists the neck of the idea of organized doping within teams.”


http://velonews.competitor.com/2011...ng-suspicions-from-2010-tour-de-france_172784

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Hmmm, Museeuw?

Was he completly dominating the TT´s? ... Cancellara dominates like Armstrong (or Ulle), only that Mr-4-Points has 7 more TdF wins

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I think he means that Cancellara can ramp the program up to say a 5 and try for a GC.

Not even 5, but 10-15th should be easily manageable....