US prosecutors drop case against Armstrong/USPS

[mewmewmew13]

Well I popped into the Armstrong threads once in a while.

My opinion was that he had doped but this investigation would eventually go nowhere. This was based on a generally dispassionate view and actual experience of the dealings of the law.

I was abused by the 'sect'. Turns out I was right. Because I know what I'm talking about.

So up yours those who called me a fanboy dreamer (Dr M especially) and Race Radio who has now been exposed as a forum pleasing chancer and not the insider he's claimed to be.

Armstrong doped. But the attitude of the obsessives has been appalling, and I'm glad that they are disappointed.

I honestly see more 'obsessive'-type replies and chest-beating coming from your side of the wagons at this point.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Yep. Time for all us haters to nut-up, admit Lance, "The Greatest Tour Champion Ever" Armstrong got away with it, won this one too, and move on.

Ahhh come on. In France, the home of cycling, Armstrong is done since long. Even Ulle is more liked than him. And someone like Kimmage will go on until justice is made. We don´t need some obscure US-"Justice" system (better say plutocracy system) doing it.

 

[Mambo95]

I honestly see more 'obsessive'-type replies and chest-beating coming from your side of the wagons at this point.

The obsessives are the ones who post about Armstrong every single day - that's not me (there are pro-LA obesessives too)

 

[Mambo95]

True, the Grand Jury did not rule and as much as people like to say Novitzky is all powerfull he had no input. This came from the top

Do you remember Harold Camping? He predicted that the world would end on May 21 2011. He was wrong. Right now, you're the Harold Camping of cycling.

 

[Yeahright]

Haha Berzin, good on you for admitting it, even if said tongue in cheek.

Two years of RR, Hog, Maserati, Python, brodeal and their inside information and Novitsky worship comes to naught. Of course this will not be the end (go go USADA....yeah right!) and there is scope for much ongoing agonising by the Clinic omerta, but sorry boys you will have to man up and eat some humble pie. no jail, no erasure from the records, no return of yellow jerseys hard won, no public humiliation.

I realise that whatever the federal authorities have decided will have no bearing whatsoever on what some believe is the 'real' story and I am sure there must have been secret deals made.

Having had to sit and read the ongoing; 'Novitsky always gets his man', GJ's always indict in California' and the 'evidence is overwhelming' ad nauseum over the past two years, the only real insight is that the evidence was not there and Lance will retain his well earned title of King of the TdF.

I am sure Eddy would have been one of the first to ring and congratulate him. by the time the LA spin machine is finished his reputation with Joe Public will be stronger than ever.

I will be happy to offer counselling for any Clinic Omerta who feel as though their reason for living has just been extinguished.

 

[Race Radio]

The best part about this is there will no longer be any tension on those long rides Polish and I go on every Saturday.

I am looking for some good wine to have with tonight's dinner, what goes with Crow?

 

[MarkvW]

Yep. Time for all us haters to nut-up, admit Lance, "The Greatest Tour Champion Ever" Armstrong got away with it, won this one too, and move on.

Nah. Lance is a slimy doping cheat, just like Floyd and Tyler and Vino and Jan and Roberto and Alejandro and Richard and Joseba and Jesus and Bjarne and Erik and Andreas and Stefan and Ivan and Danilo and Johan and Genevieve and Jeannie and even little Pappster.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Well I popped into the Armstrong threads once in a while.

My opinion was that he had doped but this investigation would eventually go nowhere. This was based on a generally dispassionate view and actual experience of the dealings of the law.

I was abused by the 'sect'. Turns out I was right. Because I know what I'm talking about.

So up yours those who called me a fanboy dreamer (Dr M especially) and Race Radio who has now been exposed as a forum pleasing chancer and not the insider he's claimed to be.

Armstrong doped. But the attitude of the obsessives has been appalling, and I'm glad that they are disappointed.

That is quite amusing - I have never, not once called another poster a fanboy. - (I don't particularly like be called a 'hater' so I kept away from using it.

A quick check of my history confirms this - indeed the time I did mention the term was here (from last August!!):

I have never called you a "fanboy".
If you don't want to be constantly corrected then stop attributing comments or opinions to people who have not made them.

 

[hughmoore]

Great News,

Well done to Novinsky proving that Lance didnt dope and he is one of the greatest cyclists of all time.

Hopefully Contador gets off also and we can have a big year with him and Cadel spanking the Shreks.


Hugh

 

[Yeahright]

Ahhh come on. In France, the home of cycling, Armstrong is done since long. Even Ulle is more liked than him. And someone like Kimmage will go on until justice is made. We don´t need some obscure US-"Justice" system (better say plutocracy system) doing it.

Give up Foxxy, it's over, put down your pitchfork and head back to the farm. Do you realise how desperate and whiny you sound when your sole remaining comeback is: "even Ulle is liked more than him"

Obscure US justice system.....rofl!!!!!! It didn't seem to be that over the past two years for you dude.

You guys deserve the kicking you are going to get on here everytime you put finger to keyboard after the endless flaming and ridicule you and others have dished out. Open up and swallow the pie.

 

[goober]

Only surprise here is it was supposed to happen the day after Thanksgiving and Lance had to wait 2 months longer - 9 months after it should have happened. Soon I will give some pretty good details... So many here had no clue to the facts.... Watch for my book...

 

[Stingray34]

 

[Nilsson]

Apparently there is a recent example of dispension from the eight year statue of limitations:

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...Lance-ArmstrongUSPS-doping-investigation.aspx

Very interesting, thanks!

I wonder if CAS will allow this. More specific to LA vs. USADA: I doubt they will get a (useful) statement from LA

Also, I believe the USADA investigation could possibly be more dangerous to the guys that testified (and came clean, about LA and themselves) especially the guys who are still in the peloton...

 

[Ferminal]

Only surprise here is it was supposed to happen the day after Thanksgiving and Lance had to wait 2 months longer - 9 months after it should have happened. Soon I will give some pretty good details... So many here had no clue to the facts.... Watch for my book...

Credit to you, can you reveal your sources now?

 

[LanceInMyPants]

I'm not surprised Armstrong wasn't indicted, even though he was guilty of doping, bribing the UCI and plenty of other things. I don't hate Armstrong but I was hoping he would pay for his crimes because I do HATE cheats and liars and bullies. I'm trying to seperate his actions in the corrupt world of sport from what good he does for cancer survivors.

I wouldn't want to be him even with all his money, power and influence. If I did what he did, I couldn't sleep at night. But then again, some people have no conscience or remorse.

When I heard the news all I could think of was the Leonard Cohen song, "Everybody Knows"

Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody knows that the war is over
Everybody knows the good guys lost
Everybody knows the fight was fixed
The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
That's how it goes
Everybody knows

Everybody knows that the boat is leaking
Everybody knows that the captain lied
Everybody got this broken feeling
Like their father or their dog just died...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F8QM3tjkTE

 

[Yeahright]

The spin starts; by the end of the week LA will be the great american hero once again. I say that not from any fanboy perspective but it will be the reality.

AP: The media swing in behind him has already begun:

"Lance Armstrong licked 'em again. Always has. Always will.
Like cancer and the Tour de France, the federal government turned out to be just another challenge to conquer. On his trophy wall, next to those bright yellow jerseys he got for winning the world's toughest bike race seven times, Armstrong can now hang the scalp of steroid cop Jeff Novitzky.
Zip. Nada.
Those aren't the exact words U.S. Attorney Andre Birotte Jr. used to announce that the criminal investigation of Armstrong was over.
But it amounted to the same thing."

..."European officials spoke of Novitzky with awe. The Eliot Ness of anti-doping. The man who hounded baseball home-run king Barry Bonds, who wrung a confession from Olympic sprinter Marion Jones, who dug through garbage at the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative for evidence that it supplied steroids.
Novitzky is a bloodhound, he won't let go, this time, Armstrong is toast, was what some European officials thought after meeting him and discussing how they might help the U.S. probe.
So much for that.
The U.S. attorney "commended" the investigators' work, but told us absolutely nothing about whether those staff-hours and tax dollars were well spent."

 

[Mambo95]

That is quite amusing - I have never, not once called another poster a fanboy. - (I don't particularly like be called a 'hater' so I kept away from using it.

A quick check of my history confirms this - indeed the time I did mention the term was here (from last August!!):

You have personally abused me though. It's now deleted. You tried to pass it off as humour as though we knew each other.

A few years ago you used to be a good interesting poster, but in the last 18 months you've become a twisted, obsessed, abusive one-issue campaigner, intolerant to anything contrary. And you lost. You have a lot to reflect on.

 

[mewmewmew13]

The obsessives are the ones who post about Armstrong every single day - that's not me (there are pro-LA obesessives too)

Posting about LA is not necessarily obsessive-type behavior on this thread. Lurking around or trying to stir up emotions and playing contrarian might be a better example of 'obsessive' actions.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Hahhahhahhahha! What a JOKE!

Now, how about I close all the LA threads, and we talk about what's happening in cycling today, with people actually doing something important in the sport, like actually racing, and promoting it, and cleaning it up?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I'm not surprised Armstrong wasn't indicted, even though he was guilty of doping, bribing the UCI and plenty of other things. I don't hate Armstrong but I was hoping he would pay for his crimes because I do HATE cheats and liars and bullies. I'm trying to seperate his actions in the corrupt world of sport from what good he does for cancer survivors.

I wouldn't want to be him even with all his money, power and influence. If I did what he did, I couldn't sleep at night. But then again, some people have no conscience or remorse.

When I heard the news all I could think of was the Leonard Cohen song, "Everybody Knows"

Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody knows that the war is over
Everybody knows the good guys lost
Everybody knows the fight was fixed
The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
That's how it goes
Everybody knows

Everybody knows that the boat is leaking
Everybody knows that the captain lied
Everybody got this broken feeling
Like their father or their dog just died...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F8QM3tjkTE

That´s too negative for me.

So i come up with something positive:
"When I despair, I remember that all through history, the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and, for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of this. Always."
Gandhi

 

[auscyclefan94]

The spin starts; by the end of the week LA will be the great american hero once again. I say that not from any fanboy perspective but it will be the reality.

AP: The media swing in behind him has already begun:

"Lance Armstrong licked 'em again. Always has. Always will.
Like cancer and the Tour de France, the federal government turned out to be just another challenge to conquer. On his trophy wall, next to those bright yellow jerseys he got for winning the world's toughest bike race seven times, Armstrong can now hang the scalp of steroid cop Jeff Novitzky.
Zip. Nada.
Those aren't the exact words U.S. Attorney Andre Birotte Jr. used to announce that the criminal investigation of Armstrong was over.
But it amounted to the same thing."

..."European officials spoke of Novitzky with awe. The Eliot Ness of anti-doping. The man who hounded baseball home-run king Barry Bonds, who wrung a confession from Olympic sprinter Marion Jones, who dug through garbage at the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative for evidence that it supplied steroids.
Novitzky is a bloodhound, he won't let go, this time, Armstrong is toast, was what some European officials thought after meeting him and discussing how they might help the U.S. probe.
So much for that.
The U.S. attorney "commended" the investigators' work, but told us absolutely nothing about whether those staff-hours and tax dollars were well spent."

Why won't you challenge anyone to a debate on Armstrong's history in the sport?

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Hahhahhahhahha! What a JOKE!

Now, how about I close all the LA threads, and we talk about what's happening in cycling today, with people actually doing something important in the sport, like actually racing, and promoting it, and cleaning it up?

Yeah, please.

 

[patricknd]

Hahhahhahhahha! What a JOKE!

Now, how about I close all the LA threads, and we talk about what's happening in cycling today, with people actually doing something important in the sport, like actually racing, and promoting it, and cleaning it up?

don't hold your breathe on that whole cleaning it up thing

 

[Race Radio]

Hahhahhahhahha! What a JOKE!

Now, how about I close all the LA threads, and we talk about what's happening in cycling today, with people actually doing something important in the sport, like actually racing, and promoting it, and cleaning it up?

Yup, he is Triathlons' problem now

 

[Mambo95]

Posting about LA is not necessarily obsessive-type behavior on this thread. Lurking around or trying to stir up emotions and playing contrarian might be a better example of 'obsessive' actions.

So in your view someone who smokes 30 cigarettes a day isn't an addict, but someone who has one or two at the weekend when their drinking is?

Yours,
An ex-30 a day smoker.