US prosecutors drop case against Armstrong/USPS

[aphronesis]

Thanks for proving my point

That your posts can't read or respond to anything that doesn't reaffirm a narrowly provincial world view?

No problem. And you mine.

 

[MacRoadie]

Seems a little backward; shouldn't he just go after big tobacco? Wouldn't that be no problem with his new-found "Federal friends"?

Either option makes infinitely more sense as it would address the problem at it's core, and at a national level. Wouldn't targeting anti-smoking legislation, or increasing taxation at the federal level in effect be going after big tobacco? The results would be nation-wide and the costs to tobacco producers profound.

Targeting smoking in a single state (albeit the most populace one), especially a state that already has some of the strongest anti-smoking legislation on the books, doesn't strike me as the best way to hit at the source: the companies that produce and sell cigarettes.

 

[Polish]

Either option makes infinitely more sense as it would address the problem at it's core, and at a national level. Wouldn't targeting anti-smoking legislation, or increasing taxation at the federal level in effect be going after big tobacco? The results would be nation-wide and the costs to tobacco producers profound.

Targeting smoking in a single state (albeit the most populace one), especially a state that already has some of the strongest anti-smoking legislation on the books, doesn't strike me as the best way to hit at the source: the companies that produce and sell cigarettes.

Would it make sense to take it beyond the National level?
Make it a Global Fight? Global Fight Against Smoking.
Can't think of a better spokesperson for International recognition.

 

[patricknd]

What, and effectively raise cancer-fighting funds in all 50 states contemporaneously, rather than just one? Fifty for the price of one?

That's just crazy talk!

Seems a little backward; shouldn't he just go after big tobacco? Wouldn't that be no problem with his new-found "Federal friends"?

Either option makes infinitely more sense as it would address the problem at it's core, and at a national level. Wouldn't targeting anti-smoking legislation, or increasing taxation at the federal level in effect be going after big tobacco? The results would be nation-wide and the costs to tobacco producers profound.

Targeting smoking in a single state (albeit the most populace one), especially a state that already has some of the strongest anti-smoking legislation on the books, doesn't strike me as the best way to hit at the source: the companies that produce and sell cigarettes.

speaking as a lung cancer survivor (3 years so far, and yes i was a heavy smoker in earlier years) i can tell you that any effort in the anti-smoking area should be applauded by all. i talk to people about it, show them my large scars, tell them about the misery of chemo and radiation, but most still think it won't happen to them. i can tell you that without a doubt i have had far more tell me that they quit because of the price, not from the death of a friend, relative etc. i agree that something on a national level would be the most effective means, and i hope to see that in the future, but i'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth.

 

[thehog]

speaking as a lung cancer survivor (3 years so far, and yes i was a heavy smoker in earlier years) i can tell you that any effort in the anti-smoking area should be applauded by all. i talk to people about it, show them my large scars, tell them about the misery of chemo and radiation, but most still think it won't happen to them. i can tell you that without a doubt i have had far more tell me that they quit because of the price, not from the death of a friend, relative etc. i agree that something on a national level would be the most effective means, and i hope to see that in the future, but i'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth.

The biggest change in smoking related illnesses hasn't been the tax on the products but the removal of smokers from public areas. Second hand smoke was a large problem. Workers and patrons frequently public areas where smokers would smoke was the killer.

Hitting the pocket will change people but generally they will get friends to import their cigarettes from other states or outside the US.

Hard to get people to kick it. I watched people smoking in cancer wards when they were taken on their daily outside walks. There was no stopping some of those guys. One the most horrible sights I ever saw. See that and you'll never smoke.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Here is a perfect example of the true compassion that comes out of mr armstrong....

His young team crashes but his brief and , I think , fairly selfish comment via twitter--
"Armstrong mentioned the crash to on Twitter, writing “Had a good (and bad) ride with the @BontragerLS team today. Was going great til a massive pile up after 4 hrs. Carnage.”

Classic.

It's all about him. No "poor guys hit the pavement and got injured" just his own mr cool news sound bite. Pretty classless IMHO.

 

[patricknd]

The biggest change in smoking related illnesses hasn't been the tax on the products but the removal of smokers from public areas. Second hand smoke was a large problem. Workers and patrons frequently public areas where smokers would smoke was the killer.

Hitting the pocket will change people but generally they will get friends to import their cigarettes from other states or outside the US.

Hard to get people to kick it. I watched people smoking in cancer wards when they were taken on their daily outside walks. There was no stopping some of those guys. One the most horrible sights I ever saw. See that and you'll never smoke.

i thought it was funny (strange funny) to have people at work see my large still full of staples incision, half of my side one big raw blister from a tape allergy, big baseball stiched drain holes, and as soon as they walked away they'd light a cigarette. even when i was 18 that would have stopped me for an hour or two, because i was pretty gross looking. i will admit i secretly enjoy the look on people's face in the gym when i take my shirt off and they see the big scar. you can tell they want to ask but no one ever does.

 

[patricknd]

Here is a perfect example of the true compassion that comes out of mr armstrong....

His young team crashes but his brief and , I think , fairly selfish comment via twitter--
"Armstrong mentioned the crash to on Twitter, writing “Had a good (and bad) ride with the @BontragerLS team today. Was going great til a massive pile up after 4 hrs. Carnage.”

Classic.

It's all about him. No "poor guys hit the pavement and got injured" just his own mr cool news sound bite. Pretty classless IMHO.

that monster

that's what guys do. we laugh at each others pain. i broke my nose at work one day and my buddy's comment as i was cussing a blue streak was " i didn't feel a thing." he laughed and so did i.

we don't need support groups or oprah to make us feel better.

 

[mewmewmew13]

that monster

that's what guys do. we laugh at each others pain. i broke my nose at work one day and my buddy's comment as i was cussing a blue streak was " i didn't feel a thing." he laughed and so did i.

we don't need support groups or oprah to make us feel better.

patrick I'm guessing you are a nicer guy than Lance.
He seems to lack basic social skills...therefore the disconnect with empathy and the world of integrity.

 

[patricknd]

patrick I'm guessing you are a nicer guy than Lance.
He seems to lack basic social skills...therefore the disconnect with empathy and the world of integrity.

i'm probably much nicer, actually, but my point is "walk it off" is about as much empathy as you are likely to see when we're dealing with other men. if it's a woman then we'll make an awkward attempt at being nice. i like to think of it as the little league sports syndrome.

 

[goober]

Here is a perfect example of the true compassion that comes out of mr armstrong....

His young team crashes but his brief and , I think , fairly selfish comment via twitter--
"Armstrong mentioned the crash to on Twitter, writing “Had a good (and bad) ride with the @BontragerLS team today. Was going great til a massive pile up after 4 hrs. Carnage.”

Classic.

It's all about him. No "poor guys hit the pavement and got injured" just his own mr cool news sound bite. Pretty classless IMHO.

Who got injured?

 

[aphronesis]

The biggest change in smoking related illnesses hasn't been the tax on the products but the removal of smokers from public areas. Second hand smoke was a large problem. Workers and patrons frequently public areas where smokers would smoke was the killer.

Hitting the pocket will change people but generally they will get friends to import their cigarettes from other states or outside the US.

Hard to get people to kick it. I watched people smoking in cancer wards when they were taken on their daily outside walks. There was no stopping some of those guys. One the most horrible sights I ever saw. See that and you'll never smoke.

This is largely right. Reclassifying the activity as an acceptable social option has been the most effective. And re. the second-hand issue, it's one thing to want to be momentarily resistant to social engineering and the nanny state, but one finds very quickly that it's great to be able to go out at night without acquiring others smoke in your drink, on your body and on your clothes.

Taxing big tobacco is not going after big tobacco. Forcing it to demonstrate what exactly it contributes to the country would be going after big tobacco. Its jobs and capital holdings do not even minimally offset the overall cost it brings. Criminalizing the manufacture and distribution of cigarettes would be going after big tobacco.

People want to smoke they can grow their own at home.

 

[Cobblestoned]

Here is a perfect example of the true compassion that comes out of mr armstrong....

His young team crashes but his brief and , I think , fairly selfish comment via twitter--
"Armstrong mentioned the crash to on Twitter, writing “Had a good (and bad) ride with the @BontragerLS team today. Was going great til a massive pile up after 4 hrs. Carnage.”

Classic.

It's all about him. No "poor guys hit the pavement and got injured" just his own mr cool news sound bite. Pretty classless IMHO.

Oh, oh, oh.....

Well, now THAT is finally a reason to drop Lance and join yours club of immoral-watch and human sainthood.

What is somehow frightening me is this special brain treatment.
Is this really a must, Mildred ?

 

[mewmewmew13]

Oh, oh, oh.....

Well, now THAT is finally a reason to drop Lance and join yours club of immoral-watch and human sainthood.

What is somehow frightening me is this special brain treatment.
Is this really a must, Mildred ?

oh oh oh Cobbledy!
I am not lashing out at you or trying to be small. Should have posted this in the General Complaint thread.....I have issues with anyone who puts their ego-tweet-brag up just for digestion.

NO I am not a saint...but if I were riding with a bunch of youngsters and they had a horrible crash and 4 out of 6 had to go to the hospital I don't think my focus would be 'oh, I had a good and bad ride today folks'.

Not even a "wish you all well or get well guys"

just sorry for the nuisance of interfering with my 'good' ride??
but that is classic Lance...
so 'tsk, tsk, Henry!'

 

[mewmewmew13]

Who got injured?

Sorry forgot to add this link yesterday.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/training-crash-for-bontrager-livestrong

Ian Boswell one of the riders said---“It was probably the highest casualty rate of any crash I've ever seen as far as people being severely injured,” Boswell said after returning from another team ride Saturday afternoon. “Out of the six people that went down, four went to the hospital. I've never seen a crash where so many people were injured.”

And Armstrong's tweet---

Armstrong mentioned the crash to on Twitter, writing “Had a good (and bad) ride with the @BontragerLS team today. Was going great til a massive pile up after 4 hrs. Carnage.”

Two quite different comments from two different people I guess.

My mistake for posting it in this thread...

 

[thehog]

Sorry forgot to add this link yesterday.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/training-crash-for-bontrager-livestrong

Ian Boswell one of the riders said---“It was probably the highest casualty rate of any crash I've ever seen as far as people being severely injured,” Boswell said after returning from another team ride Saturday afternoon. “Out of the six people that went down, four went to the hospital. I've never seen a crash where so many people were injured.”

And Armstrong's tweet---

Armstrong mentioned the crash to on Twitter, writing “Had a good (and bad) ride with the @BontragerLS team today. Was going great til a massive pile up after 4 hrs. Carnage.”

Two quite different comments from two different people I guess.

My mistake for posting it in this thread...

Those guys have a lot to learn. Did they have any idea what they were doing? Lance is an inspiration to millions of people and those young punks tried to take him out. Don’t they know a charity funds them team? I would send them home and tell them to get serious.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

I saw this linked story last month and wanted to comment on just had forgotten it until I saw the Ian Boswell quote.

Oleary had been riding the Livestrong team for a few months with one NUT all swolle up! WTF? This is the Bontrager Livestrong development team and NO ONE pulled him off to the side and say ....ummm errrr get a check up? THE team sponser is FREAKING CANCER AWARENESS!

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/oleary-returns-from-cancer-to-bontrager-livestrong

 

[mewmewmew13]

I saw this linked story last month and wanted to comment on just had forgotten it until I saw the Ian Boswell quote.

Oleary had been riding the Livestrong team for a few months with one NUT all swolle up! WTF? This is the Bontrager Livestrong development team and NO ONE pulled him off to the side and say ....ummm errrr get a check up? THE team sponser is FREAKING CANCER AWARENESS!

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/oleary-returns-from-cancer-to-bontrager-livestrong

Thnx Glenn. I had seen that article but didn't read it then. Shocking it went on for so long...
Glad that story has a very happy ending for that young man.

Well, sounds like Livestrong did give them a lot of awareness after O'Leary
sought them out. And Lance even sent an email.

cheers

 

[9000ft]

Here is a perfect example of the true compassion that comes out of mr armstrong....

His young team crashes but his brief and , I think , fairly selfish comment via twitter--
"Armstrong mentioned the crash to on Twitter, writing “Had a good (and bad) ride with the @BontragerLS team today. Was going great til a massive pile up after 4 hrs. Carnage.”

Classic.

It's all about him. No "poor guys hit the pavement and got injured" just his own mr cool news sound bite. Pretty classless IMHO.

Wow, are you guys really that desperate for any little crumbs? You've gone through all the good stuff so now you're down to the rubbing alcohol and sterno. Talk about needing to feed the jones..... :lol:

 

[mewmewmew13]

Wow, are you guys really that desperate for any little crumbs? You've gone through all the good stuff so now you're down to the rubbing alcohol and sterno. Talk about needing to feed the jones..... :lol:

I lol'd at your post. Clever and really did make me laugh.
Like I said, I posted it in the first 'Armstrong' thread I saw but erroneously...shoulda maybe gone in to 'Livestrong' thread. Sorry.

But you sure felt the 'need' to comment so things are thin for you too.

 

[Race Radio]

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/la...-der-radler-und-der-fitness-trainer-1.1287326

Borat, the fanboy fitness trainer, did not discuss his decision with investigators or prosecutors who had already draw up the charges. FBI, FDA, and USPS given zero explanation.

Spokesman Thomas Mrozek admits: "Political considerations play a role"
Armstrong met with both California Senators, Boxer and Feinstein. Diane Feinstein is good friends with Borat, Sponsored his nomination. Livestrong donated to the Aspen Foundation, where Feinstein's husband is active. Borat's law firm used to have Nike as a client.

Of course there is nothing to it. USADA is asking for the evidence just so they can prove one and for all Lance rode clean

 

[Anonymous]

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/la...-der-radler-und-der-fitness-trainer-1.1287326

Borat, the fanboy fitness trainer, did not discuss his decision with investigators or prosecutors who had already draw up the charges. FBI, FDA, and USPS given zero explanation.

Spokesman Thomas Mrozek admits: "Political considerations play a role"
Armstrong met with both California Senators, Boxer and Feinstein. Diane Feinstein is good friends with Borat, Sponsored his nomination. Livestrong donated to the Aspen Foundation, where Feinstein's husband is active. Borat's law firm used to have Nike as a client.

Of course there is nothing to it. USADA is asking for the evidence just so they can prove one and for all Lance rode clean

But RR, we have all gone full-***. Haven't you heard?

 

[Cobblestoned]

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/la...-der-radler-und-der-fitness-trainer-1.1287326

Borat, the fanboy fitness trainer, did not discuss his decision with investigators or prosecutors who had already draw up the charges. FBI, FDA, and USPS given zero explanation.

Spokesman Thomas Mrozek admits: "Political considerations play a role"
Armstrong met with both California Senators, Boxer and Feinstein. Diane Feinstein is good friends with Borat, Sponsored his nomination. Livestrong donated to the Aspen Foundation, where Feinstein's husband is active. Borat's law firm used to have Nike as a client.

Of course there is nothing to it. USADA is asking for the evidence just so they can prove one and for all Lance rode clean

Just a humble hint from one of your greatest fans, and one great fan of Thomas K.:
Actually the bolded part (and others) is not what Kistners article was saying.

"After beeing asked by "SZ", Thomas Mrozek stated, that political considerations "do not and never did" play a role in decisions made by this bureau."

This would be the correct line and translation. Of course, like always when you manipulate things, I'll give you the benefit of doubt.

 

[Cobblestoned]

oh oh oh Cobbledy!
I am not lashing out at you or trying to be small. Should have posted this in the General Complaint thread.....I have issues with anyone who puts their ego-tweet-brag up just for digestion.

NO I am not a saint...but if I were riding with a bunch of youngsters and they had a horrible crash and 4 out of 6 had to go to the hospital I don't think my focus would be 'oh, I had a good and bad ride today folks'.

Not even a "wish you all well or get well guys"

just sorry for the nuisance of interfering with my 'good' ride??
but that is classic Lance...
so 'tsk, tsk, Henry!'

My sense tells me that you consider everything that the guy does and says as wrong in some way or another. No matter what.

The club is creating its personal win-win situations in perfection on daily basis. Close to beeing impressive.

 

[Race Radio]

Just a humble hint from one of your greatest fans, and one great fan of Thomas K.:
Actually the bolded part (and others) is not what Kistners article was saying.

"After beeing asked by "SZ", Thomas Mrozek stated, that political considerations "do not and never did" play a role in decisions made by this bureau."

This would be the correct line and translation. Of course, like always when you manipulate things, I'll give you the benefit of doubt.

Manipulate? You mean like Kekker, Lehaune, and Fabiani? hardly