USADA - Armstrong

[Race Radio]

It's the Pauly Shore effect. Dislike of him had been rising for a few years but he went one Biodome too far and--snap!--_everyone_ disliked him. He never made a theater released film afterward.

How dare you!! Compare Wonderboy to one of America's finest comedic talents? Have you no shame?!?

 

[ggusta]

I think with the passing of time he becomes more and more irrelevant. As the Gen Y'ers come through they'll actually have no idea who he is. He's been out of mainstream press for sometime. It's not like he's in Vanity Fair and appearing on Letterman anymore. The only press be gets is drug related. That will wear thin and anyone who young enough won't actually know what it's about.

It's only the few aging vocal Tribards holding on to the myth. Even if he gets off what's he going to do next? More Triathlon's. He's finished, washed up and done.

Probably a good message to Wiggins. Enjoy it now because at sometime in your life it could be all gone.

As a cultural phenomenon he is already Lance Who as you seem to imply.

But the mythological sports icon grows as sports grows (mushrooms) and he capitalized on that by selling himself as that myth. The lesson of following false idols never gets old. And the desire to hold new and more perfect examples of that never gets old. He will achieve immortality one way or the other.

I just want the truth to see the light of day. The innate desire for that never gets old either.

 

[D-Queued]

USADA has NO problem with this. Their witnesses WILL be available for cross during a hearing -- but not before.

This is what happened in the Landis case(s).

The claim made by Team Armstrong that he will not get to cross-examine witnesses is a LIE.

-dB

Time to start up Trust But Verify, version 2.0: This time with less trust and more verify.

Thanks dB - whose expertise on these matters comes as a prime facilitator in the Landis wiki strategy.

Which has what to do with what I said? On topic, please.

-dB

You know the forum rules. If you think there has been a personal attack, submit a complaint.

You originally claimed an expertise, though trustbut, that may have appeared overreaching to some. Yet, having ultimately become a core player in the Landis PR campaign, you have gained more authority than you may appreciate.

BroDeal was merely providing a backhanded compliment, while also offering a path to redemption.

The rest of us cannot state with the same amount of credibility that this statement by Armstrong was a lie, now can we?

Yet, when you speak with the authority gained from this experience, especially when you cite the experience, then that experience itself is incorporated by default within this topic.

Dave.

 

[knewcleardaze]

Easy for me to say, sitting on the sidelines, but I would be ashamed and leave the Bonetrager Livestrong Cycling team.
Heck, I'm embarrassed that I have Trek cyclocomputer. When I bought my bike, salesman threw it in for free.

 

[blackcat]

lets at House, and Whareagle, to dBrower and trustbut.

should
shame
chamois
sniffers

ShouldShameChamoisSniffers dot blog spot

 

[blackcat]

Thanks dB - whose expertise on these matters comes as a prime facilitator in the Landis wiki strategy.



You know the forum rules. If you think there has been a personal attack, submit a complaint.

You originally claimed an expertise, though trustbut, that may have appeared overreaching to some. Yet, having ultimately become a core player in the Landis PR campaign, you have gained more authority than you may appreciate.

BroDeal was merely providing a backhanded compliment, while also offering a path to redemption.

The rest of us cannot state with the same amount of credibility that this statement by Armstrong was a lie, now can we?

Yet, when you speak with the authority gained from this experience, especially when you cite the experience, then that experience itself is incorporated by default within this topic.

Dave.

lets add House, and Whareagle, to dBrower and trustbut.

should
shame
chamois
sniffers

ShouldShameChamoisSniffers dot blog spot

 

[PedalPusher]

Thanks dB - whose expertise on these matters comes as a prime facilitator in the Landis wiki strategy.



You know the forum rules. If you think there has been a personal attack, submit a complaint.

You originally claimed an expertise, though trustbut, that may have appeared overreaching to some. Yet, having ultimately become a core player in the Landis PR campaign, you have gained more authority than you may appreciate.

BroDeal was merely providing a backhanded compliment, while also offering a path to redemption.

The rest of us cannot state with the same amount of credibility that this statement by Armstrong was a lie, now can we?

Yet, when you speak with the authority gained from this experience, especially when you cite the experience, then that experience itself is incorporated by default within this topic.

Dave.

Excuse me here just butting in, but what is the controversy here? What he said is correct, Lance is lying, he will get to cross examine witnesses in arbitration, standard practice. He just can't do it right now or find out who they are because of intimidation concerns.

 

[Oldman]

How dare you!! Compare Wonderboy to one of America's finest comedic talents? Have you no shame?!?

Considering the arc of Armstrong's defense it's hard to tell who you are comparing to whom. Which one is the comedian?

 

[red_flanders]

Please take your personal histories and arguments offline, and return to the topic. Thank you.

 

[D-Queued]

Excuse me here just butting in, but what is the controversy here? What he said is correct, Lance is lying, he will get to cross examine witnesses in arbitration, standard practice. He just can't do it right now or find out who they are because of intimidation concerns.

You are right, he is right.

Not disagreeing.

He is speaking from considerable experience on the subject. His opinion is very educated on this.

If you are really keen, you may want to dive more deeply into the extent of that experience to understand this dialog before you draw further judgement upon it.

Dave.

 

[PedalPusher]

You are right, he is right.

Not disagreeing.

He is speaking from considerable experience on the subject. His opinion is very educated on this.

If you are really keen, you may want to dive more deeply into the extent of that experience to understand this dialog before you draw further judgement upon it.

Dave.

Not making judgement, would rather stay on the facts of the case presented than ad hominem...that's all. Carry on.

And I am not interested in trying to figure out who he is right now or his past if he has not directly revealed it. I have enough things to wrest my brain from it's comfort zone.

 

[D-Queued]

Not making judgement, would rather stay on the facts of the case presented than ad hominem...that's all. Carry on.

And I am not interested in trying to figure out who he is right now or his past if he has not directly revealed it. I have enough things to wrest my brain from it's comfort zone.

No problem.

Some of our brains still hurt from the campaign of lies that preceded this one. And our hurting brains won't let us forget the excesses of that campaign.

Dave.

 

[Maxiton]

Not making judgement, would rather stay on the facts of the case presented than ad hominem...that's all. Carry on.

And I am not interested in trying to figure out who he is right now or his past if he has not directly revealed it. I have enough things to wrest my brain from it's comfort zone.

Yeah, like that case law you were gonna cite to illustrate why one or more of the requirements for being considered a state actor doesn't apply to USADA in this case. Still interested in seeing that.

 

[PedalPusher]

No problem.

Some of our brains still hurt from the campaign of lies that preceded this one. And our hurting brains won't let us forget the excesses of that campaign.

Dave.

Yeah, I get that. I guess the whole Landis thing never bothered me, I never thought he was innocent anyway. I had stepped away from cycling during that time. I understood the psychology of Landis in the end. So I cut him some slack.

Lance is another ball game though and his affect in the peloton is still being felt even currently and during the Landis years.

Hopefully we will have something to celebrate soon.

 

[frenchfry]

WADA just fired a shot over McQuaid's bow.
http://velonews.competitor.com/?p=229112

Seems quite simple after all.

Then again the expertise of UCI is in managing coverups, implementing anti-doping measures will be new for them. I remain confident that fat Pat is a quick learner, maybe he can ask Verdruggen for a bit of advice.

 

[PedalPusher]

Yeah, like that case law you were gonna site to illustrate why one or more of the requirements for being considered a state actor doesn't apply to USADA in this case. Still interested in seeing that.

LOL! Right! I think I posted one way back, thanks for the reminder! Had to ride and work out the cobwebs!

Work on it tomorrow, bone tired...cheers fellas

 

[Maxiton]

LOL! Right! I think I posted one way back, thanks for the reminder! Had to ride and work out the cobwebs!

Work on it tomorrow, bone tired...cheers fellas

OK, cool, no worries. Should have gone for a ride myself, actually.

 

[Maxiton]

Seems quite simple after all.

Then again the expertise of UCI is in managing coverups, implementing anti-doping measures will be new for them. I remain confident that fat Pat is a quick learner, maybe he can ask Verdruggen for a bit of advice.

Verdruggen does have advice for him: "lay low, get your affairs in order, only call LA from a pre-paid phone, and if the Hog calls, don't answer!"

 

[Deagol]

In public statements the ED of the foundation has already started to distance the organization from Armstrong. There are already increasing numbers of po'ed people in the cancer community that will no longer have anything to do with Armstrong. It's only going to get worse no matter what the eventual verdict turns out to be.

Thank you, you said it better than I did.

 

[Deagol]

it doesn't. however their jobs on the other hand...

JV said noone would lose their job if they told the truth i believe. looking for source

edit... can't find link yet and i dont have time atm to look further

I also remember reading a quote by JV saying this, a year or so ago, perhaps...

It was probably on both Velonews and this very website.

 

[Race Radio]

I also remember reading a quote by JV saying this, a year or so ago, perhaps...

It was probably on both Velonews and this very website.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2010...to-cooperate-with-landis-investigation_118885

 

[Deagol]

.... Well the trolls posting here might be, but that's likely because they have some personal interest. The groupies just want the truth to go away so they can go on with their idol in a fool's paradise.

It blows me away, though, how these same people can sell their soul for this, then expect anyone who is somewhat aware of cycling to come along for the ride. The evidence is out there.

 

[alberto.legstrong]

He Put's the LA in lalalalala.

It blows me away, though, how these same people can sell their soul for this, then expect anyone who is somewhat aware of cycling to come along for the ride. The evidence is out there.

They just want the unpleasant reminders to stop ringing in their ears. not much better than my kid when we yell at him to clean his room, take a shower, eat a 'real' meal, do chores. Knowing what's true burying it away and hearing it/being confronted by it are 2 very different things.

Picture them covering their ears, 'lalalalalalala.....can't hear you....lalalalalala'

I think what intrigues me about them is what they have emotionally invested in this creep that they can't let go of. You all might find this to be a real tangent, but they are all that he has left to hide behind. Deconstructing them is to deconstruct his last barrier.

 

[Microchip]

 

[Microchip]

P.S. This is John Burke, CEO of Trek Corporation.