USADA - Armstrong

[CraigN]

Yeah, I'd love to see the facts behind that one. Really. You have no idea.
Quick. Who was in charge of USADA in 2004?

Ralph W. Hale

 

[CraigN]

We are all different, I guess. I personally think the world will be a better place if high-profile examples of bullying, cheating and unsportsmanlikeness are offcially sanctioned.

That’s what makes forums like these so interesting is that everyone has their own opinions

Seriously, people are nailing me because i don’t think (IN MY OPINION - admittedly not backed up with sufficient evidence) this case is going to do anything except settle a grudge...

But anyway, that’s just my opinion...

 

[CraigN]

As an aside...

I think new registrants to Cyclingnews Forum should have to have a minimum of 15-25 posts outside of the Clinic before they're allowed in here to start derailing higher-level conversations with extremely weak opening shots.

Just because im new to the forum doesnt mean im new to cycling...

Condescending much?!

 

[just some guy]

a few years ago there was some footage of blood bags being taken away by armstrong teams staff on youtube.

I can not find it to watch again, think it was mentioned in today in a article - wsj.

was taken by french tv - it is raw footage they follow 2 people who drive 50 somethingish km to dispose of the stuff and the french guys pull the bag out of the rubbish and open it ?

anyone help me out ?

 

[college]

Strange that usada can go along for years and come up with nothing. Then years later ….Bamm they got the good’s?
Who pays the bills for usada? It is time to cut the funding to an apparent waste of time and money.

 

[peterst6906]

Carp Diem

What... fish the day? [re: your signature line]

Anyway in relation to your post, if the evidence when heard reveals a truth of team-level, organised doping then the other legacy of Lance needs to be the one that the public and future riders remember.

Promoting, planning and directing practices that destroy lives just to benefit your own is a practice that should always receive the rewards it deserves, no matter when they come.

Likewise, if the evidence pans out to nothing, then that would be the time to take a look at USASA under the microscope. Their reputation is as much on the line in this as Armstrong's, but as the innocent have nothing to fear, there is no need to call for funding cuts at the moment.

 

[fatsprintking]

Strange that usada can go along for years and come up with nothing. Then years later ….Bamm they got the good’s?
Who pays the bills for usada? It is time to cut the funding to an apparent waste of time and money.

When your backs against the wall - just keep punchin.

 

[goober]

Just because im new to the forum doesnt mean im new to cycling...

Condescending much?!

We should also have a rule that dopers and drug trafficers should be banned for life from the clinic.

Just a thought.

 

[fatsprintking]

We should also have a rule that dopers and drug trafficers should be banned for life from the clinic.

Just a thought.

Look man if Lance wants to come to the forum - I for one would be happy to have him.

 

[college]

We should also have a rule that dopers and drug trafficers should be banned for life from the clinic.

Just a thought.

That is a good thought.

 

[fatsprintking]

That is a good thought.

I would prefer to be able to hear from people that actually know what happens because they have been involved from the inside. As I say Lance is welcome in my book.

 

[Stingray34]

Are there many trolls possessing this forum

or is it just the one?

 

[just some guy]

a few years ago there was some footage of blood bags being taken away by armstrong teams staff on youtube.

I can not find it to watch again, think it was mentioned in today in a article - wsj.

was taken by french tv - it is raw footage they follow 2 people who drive 50 somethingish km to dispose of the stuff and the french guys pull the bag out of the rubbish and open it ?

anyone help me out ?

if yuo do have or find the link could you PM me - Im not on here much anymore and would not want to miss the post due to traffic of useless information

thanks I hope

 

[Anonymous]

Strange that usada can go along for years and come up with nothing. Then years later ….Bamm they got the good’s?
Who pays the bills for usada? It is time to cut the funding to an apparent waste of time and money.

I know it's hard.

Floyd is to be given a lot of credit here. Blew a hole in the omerta big enough to expose Fraud Armstrong.

 

[college]

I know it's hard.

Floyd is to be given a lot of credit here. Blew a hole in the omerta big enough to expose Fraud Armstrong.

It is very tough to watch some make such accusations against Lance. Also this is all alleged since in the end Lance never gets his time before a jury of his peers. All that will happen is usada will pick someone, Lance will pick someone and those two “someone’s” will pick the third. In the end it is not a very good system but is what it is.
Now I am so happy that all the good people on this forum does not resort to calling people troll’s or nothing like that.

 

[ManInFull]

I wont lose sleep if he does get proven guilty & has TDF medals stripped... i just dont think this whole case is necessary, thats all.

Why don't you think it's necessary? Are you saying that if Lance cheated, its OK for him to get away with it because he was not "caught" during his reign?

 

[Semper Fidelis]

I only hope I won't seem conceited if I say that I forgot to mention: "and anyone who dared to questioned the script or called him to task on it was bullied, intimidated and in a few cases ruined."

I don't think I'm the only one around here who for this reason wouldn't be totally satisfied with anything less than him loosing all his money and being put behind bars. That *** deserves to do time.

The qualification being totally, because with the judicial system in the US being what it is - for which if you are rich you can literally get away with murder, but if you're poor you are sent straight to the electric chair to fry and the executioner is already waiting - I realize I will have to content myself with far less. Although there is the distinct possibility with even nothing, if he's not condemned. C'est la vie.

Actually rhubarb, only 9 states have electricity as an option, and lethal injection is the primary method. You only get the chair if you request it. And you really should look at the time spent in the appeal process, but I know this goes against the picture your trying to paint lmfao

 

[rhubroma]

Apparently during the now moribund Federal Investigation, there was the same pursuit of informers. Scary!

I think this particular letter sets up an awful, slow, grind to disappointment. Mostly because procedure and law is poorly defined and tested in this area, so plenty of exploits. Looking backwards, perhaps letting Wonderboy off the list and running down the other uncapitalize scumbags would possibly have been better.

The probability that your hypothesis (intuition) pans out, is the very reason why I have no faith in the judicial process in exposing the truth in situations like this: that is when one's reputation is directly related to the mighty economic interests of others.

It's fine, of course, that the innocent be protected from the calumnious indictments of their predatory accusers, however, in a system for which there are so many loopholes, ambiguities, exploits and thus much legal posturing, often the guy armed with the best legal team money can buy is beguilingly saved from being condemned for crimes committed. Such is a mockery of justice, not better judicial process.

Though I don't see how not going after Armstrong would be better, since just about all those within his sphere have been gone after in the past, while many have already been condemned. It, therefore, stands to reason that USADA must feel they have a solid case against him, since the organization is putting its own reputation on the line with this one. Let's hope my hypothesis is right.

 

[CraigN]

Why don't you think it's necessary? Are you saying that if Lance cheated, its OK for him to get away with it because he was not "caught" during his reign?

well that brings in the question as to why he wasnt caught during his reign. Were the proper systems not in place? (which then begs the questions about how many others slipped through) Was there inside help? (Which makes me ask, are USADA opening themselves up for scrutiny?)

Look, i could be totally wrong in this whole thing. Im just voicing my opinion, but as someone who is passionate about the sport of cycling, i recon its better to focus on the here & now. Cycling has, & is more than likely even more so now, to have its name dragged through more mud.

Why did the feds drop the charges in the first place?

 

[rhubroma]

Actually rhubarb, only 9 states have electricity as an option, and lethal injection is the primary method. You only get the chair if you request it. And you really should look at the time spent in the appeal process, but I know this goes against the picture your trying to paint lmfao

You mean you're.

At any rate people without any sense of irony, or the paradoxical, let alone sarcasm, satire and hyperbole usually respond as you have done here. However one wishes to paint the picture.

Cheers

 

[Race Radio]

It is very tough to watch some make such accusations against Lance. Also this is all alleged since in the end Lance never gets his time before a jury of his peers. All that will happen is usada will pick someone, Lance will pick someone and those two “someone’s” will pick the third. In the end it is not a very good system but is what it is.
Now I am so happy that all the good people on this forum does not resort to calling people troll’s or nothing like that.

If Wonderboy doesn't like the WADA code he should not have signed it so many times, at least 6.

He agreed to the process, now he is crying about it. What makes it especially comical is his partner in crime wrote much of the code that he is whining about

 

[Race Radio]

So what is next?

Last weeks events were no surprise to those who read The Clinic....but what is next?

you will hear the phrase "take the shot or you do not start"
We will find out about an American rider who got his EPO confiscated by customs
Tyler was not the only guy who doped at the 2004 Olympics
Followed, hacked, and harassed. Yup. Lots of that.
Pictures
Tapes
Tenerife
and more good news coming from across the pond

Stay tuned kids. Last week was just the half time show. This quarter going to be fun!

Oh, I forgot one of the best things still to come

The story of how Wonderboy came to "Own" Hein Verdruggen. It's a good one, and it did not start in 2001

 

[sniper]

oh, i forgot one of the best things still to come

the story of how wonderboy came to "own" hein verdruggen. It's a good one, and it did not start in 2001

n o w w e ' r e r e a l l y t a l k i n '

t h i s w o u l d m a k e my c h r i s t m a s s m e r r y

 

[Nick777]

oh, i forgot one of the best things still to come

the story of how wonderboy came to "own" hein verdruggen. It's a good one, and it did not start in 2001

1996.....?

 

[sniper]

Oh, I forgot one of the best things still to come

The story of how Wonderboy came to "Own" Hein Verdruggen. It's a good one, and it did not start in 2001

sounds really promising.

but then if some bribery story comes out, Berzin's questions in the other thread become relevant: what about jurisdiction, etc.
is this just going to be embarrassing for Hein, or is he in more severe trouble?