USADA - Bruyneel, Celaya, Garcial del Moral, Ferrari, Marti

[meat puppet]

What this article outlines, corresponds exactly with the picture I was given of the sport in Italy by dozens of knowledgeable and experienced people, as well as teammates who doped, back in 95-96 and then again when I resumed the cycling scene here in 2000-2001 .

I remember how my views rapidly changed along with my perceptions, in light of all the available information. One simply had to open their eyes to know what was going on. This is why by about 2001 I realized Lance was as dirty as they get, even if already before there was an unavoidable suspicion. Then after reading about his arrogance among former teammates, Mafioso brazenness in rigorously supporting omertà from the top in the protagonist's role, to say nothing of the millions he earned, the Lance persona simply became appalling. All of this while enjoying the accolades of stardom and fawning worship among the US fanfare: by naive people who in reality knew nothing about how the game is played and who willingly chose to believe in the fairytale they wanted to see rather than facts because it was more congenial to their patriotic sentiments and to do otherwise would have been too upsetting; with a ridiculously accomplice press more ecstatic about building up another "American Hero," than exposing the lies behind the appealing set-piece through sound journalism. In fact he shamelessly played right up to the naiveté and ingenuousness of his fellow Americans and it was just disgusting to watch from Italy of course, right down to the hypocritical facade that has always been his cancer foundation! Finally at the sight of the Simeoni affair and the insolence with which he has always maintained his innocence, armed with money, the best lawyers money can buy and even a certain political support - as we can see from the dropped Fed case against him - that has always permitted him to evade justice (and, in fact, he may yet prevail, but only for these same nefarious and corrupting reasons), the only thing one wanted to see was him getting exposed and for the truth to come out. Finally he was not even beyond successfully bribing the UCI to cover up his doping positive at the 2001 Tour de Suisse, which means for all the economic and business reasons (after all Lance did bring with his celebritydom the colossal US market into the cycling business) he became the Untouchable in a business without ethical purchase. Moreover he became the sport's moral turpitude personified; while all around him, one after another, his major rivals during his Tour streak, as well as a number of former teammates, had either tested positive, or else were implicated in doping practices by the famous medical investigations. But not Lance. The invincible one. Lance was clean and whipping the best in the world on "hard work" and "dedication" alone, and of course the shear willpower that only someone of his nationality could produce: like all those unwatchable propagandistic Hollywood blockbusters, in which the American hero overcomes impossible odds to save his family, his country and finally the entire world from bellicose aliens, Jack the Ripper, oil-greedy terrorists, deadly species ending diseases, meteorite inflicted Armageddon, the bogyman, the global invasion of Chinese kung-fu films, etc. It was the perfect script for a patriotic and traumatized after 9-11 US people, who thus just gobbled it up wholesale; without a wink of critical approach or thought in the nation's press for years.

As per Bruyneel, the sport has needed to be rid of him and his kind for decades now.

My words! Literally.

 

[Muzzin]

What this article outlines, corresponds exactly with the picture I was given of the sport in Italy by dozens of knowledgeable and experienced people, as well as teammates who doped, back in 95-96 and then again when I resumed the cycling scene here in 2000-2001 .

I remember how my views rapidly changed along with my perceptions, in light of all the available information. One simply had to open their eyes to know what was going on. This is why by about 2001 I realized Lance was as dirty as they get, even if already before there was an unavoidable suspicion. Then after reading about his arrogance among former teammates, Mafioso brazenness in rigorously supporting omertà from the top in the protagonist's role, to say nothing of the millions he earned, the Lance persona simply became appalling. All of this while enjoying the accolades of stardom and fawning worship among the US fanfare: by naive people who in reality knew nothing about how the game is played and who willingly chose to believe in the fairytale they wanted to see rather than facts because it was more congenial to their patriotic sentiments and to do otherwise would have been too upsetting; with a ridiculously accomplice press more ecstatic about building up another "American Hero," than exposing the lies behind the appealing set-piece through sound journalism. In fact he shamelessly played right up to the naiveté and ingenuousness of his fellow Americans and it was just disgusting to watch from Italy of course, right down to the hypocritical facade that has always been his cancer foundation! Finally at the sight of the Simeoni affair and the insolence with which he has always maintained his innocence, armed with money, the best lawyers money can buy and even a certain political support - as we can see from the dropped Fed case against him - that has always permitted him to evade justice (and, in fact, he may yet prevail, but only for these same nefarious and corrupting reasons), the only thing one wanted to see was him getting exposed and for the truth to come out. Finally he was not even beyond successfully bribing the UCI to cover up his doping positive at the 2001 Tour de Suisse, which means for all the economic and business reasons (after all Lance did bring with his celebritydom the colossal US market into the cycling business) he became the Untouchable in a business without ethical purchase. Moreover he became the sport's moral turpitude personified; while all around him, one after another, his major rivals during his Tour streak, as well as a number of former teammates, had either tested positive, or else were implicated in doping practices by the famous medical investigations. But not Lance. The invincible one. Lance was clean and whipping the best in the world on "hard work" and "dedication" alone, and of course the shear willpower that only someone of his nationality could produce: like all those unwatchable propagandistic Hollywood blockbusters, in which the American hero overcomes impossible odds to save his family, his country and finally the entire world from bellicose aliens, Jack the Ripper, oil-greedy terrorists, deadly species ending diseases, meteorite inflicted Armageddon, the bogyman, the global invasion of Chinese kung-fu films, etc. It was the perfect script for a patriotic and traumatized after 9-11 US people, who thus just gobbled it up wholesale; without a wink of critical approach or thought in the nation's press for years.

As per Bruyneel, the sport has needed to be rid of him and his kind for decades now.[/

Post of the day.

 

[washoezephyr1]

With mounting pressure, hopefully Bruyneel won't survive the weekend at RaNT. If he's in the mix at the Tour, watch the reception RaNT gets at the pre-race presentation, it will make last years' reception for Alberto Contador look like a lovefest. If he actually goes out on the course, the fans will pepper his team car with rotten tomatos and eggs.

 

[sniper]

With mounting pressure, hopefully Bruyneel won't survive the weekend at RaNT. If he's in the mix at the Tour, watch the reception RaNT gets at the pre-race presentation, it will make last years' reception for Alberto Contador look like a lovefest. If he actually goes out on the course, the fans will pepper his team car with rotten tomatos and eggs.

that's why I like the french.

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

I actually find this aspect more interesting than Armstrong, whom I believe will never confess, and never even cooperate with any USADA investigation, nor show up to any hearing. He will play it out in the court of public opinion, and forever claim it was a conspiracy and witch hunt, even if they strip him of everything with a mountain of hard evidence. 90% of us will laugh, or scoff, but a vocal 10% will still believe.

These guys however, they can't play that game. They can try to ride Armstrong's "conspiracy" coattails for a while, but he will only stand up for them so far, and I don't see that getting them much at all. The case against them is thus much more intriguing to see how they react, and what comes out.

Those are very good points. Especially that last one about reactions of the others named in the case. I just hope it's not another 7 years before some conclusion is reached. I will have a hard time staying interested that long.

 

[Orvieto]

I actually find this aspect more interesting than Armstrong, whom I believe will never confess, and never even cooperate with any USADA investigation, nor show up to any hearing. He will play it out in the court of public opinion, and forever claim it was a conspiracy and witch hunt, even if they strip him of everything with a mountain of hard evidence. 90% of us will laugh, or scoff, but a vocal 10% will still believe.

These guys however, they can't play that game. They can try to ride Armstrong's "conspiracy" coattails for a while, but he will only stand up for them so far, and I don't see that getting them much at all. The case against them is thus much more intriguing to see how they react, and what comes out.

One of the most perceptive observations I've seen on this topic. Nail on the head, sir.
That is the course that Armstrong seems to have indicated in that Men's Journal puff piece where he says he's done fighting the allegations. It's like Juventus. They had two Serie A titles taken away due to corruption charges, but their fans still believe that they won them. Whatever the official ruling, there will still be people who believe that Armstrong didn't dope, just like people believe man never went to the moon or that 911 was an inside job. What can you do about deluded conspiracy theorists?

For Bruyneel and the rest, there is no such court of public opinion. They are bound by reality. Their disgrace will be total and they will be the example that other teams and cyclists will have to take their warning from. If a shake up at UCI occurs, due to the fallout so much the better, but perhaps that's too much to hope for.

 

[Polish]

I am sure USPS is very happy that their brand will forever be linked to blood transfusions, fraud, and organized cheating

Yep, "Going Postal" will take on a whole new meaning.
I imagine the USPS would be happy with that though.

 

[thehog]

Yep, "Going Postal" will take on a whole new meaning.
I imagine the USPS would be happy with that though.

Hope rides again.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Yep, "Going Postal" will take on a whole new meaning.
I imagine the USPS would be happy with that though.

Good point - maybe "Going Polish" will be the new "Going Postal".

 

[Polish]

Hope rides again.

Through rain and sleet and dark stormy nights.
Going Postal. Hope delivered on time.
Even on Saturdays.


Back on topic, it is a SHAME that "medics" are not charged with endangering rider's health. "Trafficing"? Ya right. BFD.

There are plenty of backroom clinics where sports doctors are hurting athletes. Need to bring THEM to justice. Not the most careful ones on charges that have nothing to do with health.

Go after the bad witches, not the good witches.

 

[cleanmarine]

I wonder if the USADA has ever sent an investigator to Mallorca to learn about Ferrari's "testing and research" held on the island from time to time. Sa Collabra

 

[mewmewmew13]

What this article outlines, corresponds exactly with the picture I was given of the sport in Italy by dozens of knowledgeable and experienced people, as well as teammates who doped, back in 95-96 and then again when I resumed the cycling scene here in 2000-2001 .

I remember how my views rapidly changed along with my perceptions, in light..........<abbreviated>

very well articulated rhubroma. and I agree

 

[mewmewmew13]

quote by rhubroma: "What this article outlines, corresponds exactly with the picture I was given of the sport in Italy by dozens of knowledgeable and experienced people, as well as teammates who doped, back in 95-96 and then again when I resumed the cycling scene here in 2000-2001 .

I remember how my views rapidly changed along with my perceptions....<abbreviated>"

very well articulated rhubroma. and I agree

 

[rhubroma]

quote by rhubroma: "What this article outlines, corresponds exactly with the picture I was given of the sport in Italy by dozens of knowledgeable and experienced people, as well as teammates who doped, back in 95-96 and then again when I resumed the cycling scene here in 2000-2001 .

I remember how my views rapidly changed along with my perceptions....<abbreviated>"

very well articulated rhubroma. and I agree

I only hope I won't seem conceited if I say that I forgot to mention: "and anyone who dared to questioned the script or called him to task on it was bullied, intimidated and in a few cases ruined."

I don't think I'm the only one around here who for this reason wouldn't be totally satisfied with anything less than him loosing all his money and being put behind bars. That *** deserves to do time.

The qualification being totally, because with the judicial system in the US being what it is - for which if you are rich you can literally get away with murder, but if you're poor you are sent straight to the electric chair to fry and the executioner is already waiting - I realize I will have to content myself with far less. Although there is the distinct possibility with even nothing, if he's not condemned.

 

[cineteq]

LOL at the hog's post:
@JohanBruyneel
Seriously worth a read:
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hiltzik-20120825,0,4618562,full.column

 

[Morbius]

Does anyone know anything about progress on the Bruyneel arbitration? The most recent info I could find was from an article in April saying that no date had been set

 

[MarkvW]

LOL at the hog's post:
@JohanBruyneel
Seriously worth a read:
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hiltzik-20120825,0,4618562,full.column

USADA and the UCI get away with being arbitrary and high-handed because professional bike riders are effectively neutered. If the riders could organize like the NFL, NBA, and MLB players' associations then they'd be able to bargain for more procedural fairness.

Personally, though, I enjoy watching the thoroughly unfair circus of pro cycling!

 

[Netserk]

http://roadcycling.com/news-results/arbitration-date-set-bruyneel#.UmgNIxDY9DI

"After many months of waiting a source has told RoadCycling.com USADA is finally bringing Johan Bruyneel, Pedro Celaya, and Jose "Pepe" Marti before an arbitration panel. The dates are December 16-20th, 2013 and the arbitration will be held in London, England."

 

[frenchfry]

http://roadcycling.com/news-results/arbitration-date-set-bruyneel#.UmgNIxDY9DI

"After many months of waiting a source has told RoadCycling.com USADA is finally bringing Johan Bruyneel, Pedro Celaya, and Jose "Pepe" Marti before an arbitration panel. The dates are December 16-20th, 2013 and the arbitration will be held in London, England."

In January the Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf reported that Bruyneel wanted "to put everything into the right context and correct the false image that the USADA (U.S. Anti-Doping Agency) report, the media, and people like Tyler Hamilton and Floyd Landis have given".

To put things into the right context maybe Johan can explain to us why he is nicknamed "the Hog".

Any bets on how many times he says that everyone was doing it, that he is just a victim of the times.

Anyway, good thing this is moving forward.

 

[Benotti69]

To put things into the right context maybe Johan can explain to us why he is nicknamed "the Hog".

Any bets on how many times he says that everyone was doing it, that he is just a victim of the times.

Anyway, good thing this is moving forward.

I doubt Bruyneel will turn up. The only reason for Bruyneel to turn up is to throw people under the bus and take an 8 year ban and hope to get back into the sport at some level in the future.

 

[poupou]

Have they forced to choose London because no one wanted to go back in USA where they could have been arrested?

 

[martinvickers]

Have they forced to choose London because no one wanted to go back in USA where they could have been arrested?

Bruyneel appears to be living there now . May have something to do with it.

 

[Morbius]

I doubt Bruyneel will turn up.

Of course he will turn up. He requested arbitration and they have clearly negotiated a venue, and have jointly decided on the third arbitrator

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

Of course he will turn up. He requested arbitration and they have clearly negotiated a venue, and have jointly decided on the third arbitrator

Lance allegedly gets deposed on November 21st, so without a doubt they are coordinating testimony and trying to rewrite history together. The witness list should be intriguing though.....

 

[thehog]

Have they forced to choose London because no one wanted to go back in USA where they could have been arrested?

Last time Bruyneel went to the US he spent most of hsi time hiding under a seat in the team bus.

The welcoming party at the airport were very kind to him.