Teams & Riders Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

[Miburo]

I see it now, you must be one of few guys who still think Lance won 7 Tours.

Now you exposed yourself, sad.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Panties: they are in a twist.

Now you exposed yourself, sad.

Just ignore him

 

[cineteq]

Now you exposed yourself, sad.

Just ignore him

Oh wait, she wants you to ignore me but she reads all my posts. Weird, no?

 

[Carols]

And so the daily combat begins...................Sigh

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Only two things I remember from the giro 11, a battle of seconds between Scarponi and Nibbles for the pink jersey, and Rujanos immense victory up Etna

 

[Miburo]

Only two things I remember from the giro 11, a battle of seconds between Scarponi and Nibbles for the pink jersey, and Rujanos immense victory up Etna

I also remember nibali failing to get the victory cause for no reason he went ham on stage 15. What an idiot, could have won the giro.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

I also remember nibali failing to get the victory cause for no reason he went ham on stage 15. What an idiot, could have won the giro.

yup. luckily his tactical skills has improved over the last few years.

 

[Miburo]

yup. luckily his tactical skills has improved over the last few years.

He chose his opponents wisely, that's true.

 

[ILovecycling]

Did he? It must've been another year.

2011 Giro d'Italia
1 Michele Scarponi (ITA) Lampre-ISD
2 Vincenzo Nibali (ITA) Liquigas-Cannondale + 46"
3 John Gadret (FRA) Ag2r-La Mondiale + 3' 54"
4 Joaquim Rodríguez (ESP) Team Katusha + 4' 55"
5 Roman Kreuziger (CZE) White jersey Astana + 5' 18"

oh hey hey,look! who stands on the step down of AC ...is that Nibali? how is that possible?

oh look,again,who is crushed at zoncolan? Nibali again... those paparazzi are horrendous!

 

[Netserk]

He chose his opponents wisely, that's true.

Did he also 'choose' to have both Froome and Contador crash out of the Tour last year?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Did he also 'choose' to have both Froome and Contador crash out of the Tour last year?

No, but it certainly helped him.

And thanks for posting a picture of the only race Nibali ever beat Alberto and 100% Froome fair and square

 

[LaFlorecita]

oh hey hey,look! who stands on the step down of AC ...is that Nibali? how is that possible?

oh look,again,who is crushed at zoncolan? Nibali again... those paparazzi are horrendous!

It was the media making things up again.. those pictures are obviously photoshopped

 

[The Hitch]

Don't think Nibs chose opponents.

He did Giro Vuelta in 2013 because worlds was at home. Otherwise he's a predominantly Tour rider. He was supposed to do Tour in 2010 too but he was pulled to Giro at the last minute. In 2011 Basso veto'd him so he did Giro

 

[The Hitch]

cineteq is just trolling again. He knows its a clinic discussion (one he can't win) but he knows it annoys Contador fans to pretend contador wasn't there in 2011 giro (where he wooped Nibali's ***) so he says it.

Like 99% of his comments, written with one motivation in mind - to wind up La Flo and a handful of other contador fans.

 

[Red Rick]

He chose his opponents wisely, that's true.

Don't think Nibs chose opponents.

He did Giro Vuelta in 2013 because worlds was at home. Otherwise he's a predominantly Tour rider. He was supposed to do Tour in 2010 too but he was pulled to Giro at the last minute. In 2011 Basso veto'd him so he did Giro

Hitch is right, (again)
As often as I say Nibali won GT's against weak opposition, its not like has chosen the easy way when deciding which races to compete in.

 

[cineteq]

oh hey hey,look! who stands on the step down of AC ...is that Nibali? how is that possible?

You mean the guy who finished second to Scarponi officially in that Giro? Yes, I'm looking at him. I'm guessing you are one of those closeted Lance fans out there.

Btw, I don't understand why people keep talking about Froome 2014 TdF when he wouldn't have been a factor if he would've stayed in the race. Guess how minutes back he would've been after stage 5?

 

[cineteq]

cineteq is just trolling again. He knows its a clinic discussion (one he can't win) but he knows it annoys Contador fans to pretend contador wasn't there in 2011 giro (where he wooped Nibali's ***) so he says it.

Like 99% of his comments, written with one motivation in mind - to wind up La Flo and a handful of other contador fans.

As usual you always come short. Trolling are those with double standards, like you and LaFlo. Guess who brought the so called "clinic discussion" by saying Contador's won 8 GTs? Btw, it's easy to win a discussion when the other have double standards. I already picked a side bro.

 

[Red Rick]

He won 8 GT's

What people here usually mean: Yeah, he finished a GT on a leader's jersey, on top of the podium 8 times.

What they usually don't mean and what Cineteq makes of it: OMG I can't believe they took 2 victories away from him, its so unfair, **** CAS. Lets go ahead and discuss this over and over and over again in the PRR road section

Palmares does not say what happened in a race, but Cineteq seems adamant about it.

anyway, after this I'm simply not gonna bother anymore

 

[Electress]

I think Nibali can challenge both Froome and Contador. I doubt he'll be equally as strong in the high mountains, but he seems to know when to attack, is perhaps the best on the hills and I cannot see him losing much time either way.

Sure, Contador crushed Nibali in 2011 (4 seasons ago), but Nibali has clearly gotten so much stronger since while Contador imo does not really seem better than he was back then.

It'll be close though, and I have not looked at the parcours in detail.

Prediction: Nibali takes time in the odd stage, but cannot beat Contador/Froome in the mountains. Contador finally wins, Froome makes to many mistakes and ends 3rd.

As Red Rick says, good post. It's just a shame that something that should have / could have prompted an interesting discussion with varied insights / different view on how Nibali might best play to his strengths and exploit advantages gets lost for the sake of…well, what?

Q - Where do you think Nibali can take the time needed? And, assuming he can get that time - how will he best defend it once he has it, based on the course?

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

He chose his opponents wisely, that's true.

Indeed, going to the tour to meet a semi decent spaniard and a tactically inept dog was the wise thing to do. Imagine him having to fight with Quintana in the giro, I mean Im a fan and everything, but no question he chose the correct race last year.

 

[Afrank]

Everyone please get back to the topic of Nibali and not how many GT wins Contador has or whether he was there. Which by the way he clearly was and the only discussion about it should revolve around the individual opinion of each person on whether they considers them legitimate or not.

And Cineteq please do not try to wind up the Contador fans with your posts. Even though you don't consider some of Contadors wins legitimate I think you can clearly see the point people were making was that in reality he finished ahead of other riders despite the results being changed in the palmares.

 

[cineteq]

And Cyneteq please do not try to wind up the Contador fans with your posts. Even though you don't consider some of Contadors wins legitimate I think you can clearly see the point people were making was that in reality he finished ahead of other riders despite the results being changed in the palmares.

I have legitimate a point too, so the reason he was DQ'ed has nothing to do with finishing first, ahead of everybody else? See the double standard there? This is the Nibali thread not the Contador thread by the way.

On the other hand, it seems that you and Ferryman have different ways to moderate. If you are going to call out names do it fairly at least. It's sad that you let yourself influenced by the usual suspects instead of using your common sense.

PS: my username is cineteq

 

[Netserk]

I have legitimate a point too, so the reason he was DQ'ed has nothing to do with finishing first, ahead of everybody else? See the double standard there? This is the Nibali thread not the Contador thread by the way.

On the other hand, it seems that you and Ferryman have different ways to moderate. If you are going to call out names do it fairly at least. It's sad that you let yourself influenced by the usual suspects instead of using your common sense.

PS: my username is cineteq

So a tiny amount of clen in the Tour the year before helped him in that Giro? Link to support that?

Ah, again according to your logic: Common sense = Your opinion.

 

[Afrank]

I have legitimate a point too, so the reason he was DQ'ed has nothing to do with finishing first, ahead of everybody else? See the double standard there? This is the Nibali thread not the Contador thread by the way.

On the other hand, it seems that you and Ferryman have different ways to moderate. If you are going to call out names do it fairly at least. It's sad that you let yourself influenced by the usual suspects instead of using your common sense.

PS: my username is cineteq

My bad on the username, and this being the Nibali thread is why I started that post asking people to get back on topic. It's my personal opinion that he still did finish 1st even if he was ultimately disqualified. That's not a comment about the fairness or unfairness of the disqualification. But that's a better discussion for somewhere else.

As for calling out names, I'll say this to the other posters in this thread (the contador fans mostly). Speaking in general about the conversations in this thread the past few days, cineteq does have a write to his opinion and to expressing it as much as everyone else does. So before disregarding something he posts as trolling think if it is really trolling or just something you might strongly disagree with.

This does go both ways though, Cineteq, as a number of your posts can be seen as having the goal of winding up the Contador fans.

 

[cineteq]

So a tiny amount of clen in the Tour the year before helped him in that Giro? Link to support that?

Ah, again according to your logic: Common sense = Your opinion.

You know this is the wrong place to discuss that. Anyway, if you guys think it was unfair to DQ him it's fine, you are entitle to do so. There are official results. My point was how you guys play the double standards to backup your arguments. It was more like: touché for the 8GT supporters.