Teams & Riders Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

[ferryman]

He did not tip Nibali though, he said "I'd like to think Nibali because he lives so close by to me, BUT...."

Hey La Flo, your constant dissing of Nibs could come across as you being scared of him against your boy Take it easy, only joking.

Look, this is a Nibali thread, fans of Nibs will post here and defend their boy against other's logical or otherwise perceived views, yes, but that happens all over the forums. It happens on all the individual riders threads. This thread is actually quite tame compared with some others regarding 'personals' etc flying about.

Something for everyone, I like to think.

We all have our favourites...and there really won't be much between the big four come July...

 

[Red Rick]

i won't discount his wins and his achievements - they are a matter of record. but for his head to head with Contador, imo, i absolutely throw 2013 out

we'll see. i throw 2013 out but i must take it back, if Contador repeats a 2013 form in 2015. for now, i look at 2013 Contador as a one off.

as for TdF 2015 favorites on mur bretagne, i like to go with the opinion of someone i respect and won it:

http://www.steephill.tv/players/you...shboard=tour-de-france&id=2FPy4QYSnPU&yr=2015

agree with Carol. this thread has turned into a big sigh. but disagree with LaFlo that it is cineteq's fault. i quite appreciate cineteq's input and opinions, particularly in this thread.

use the ignore feature if you must, LaFlo. cineteq is a knowledgeable cycling fan and his opinions are not any more inflammatory than many of the anti-nibali fans who post here to take shots at Nibali.

Don't know you're rambling about. Nobody itt has really taken shots at Nibali, its just people who take shots at a poster's (imo faulty logic). That and they just think AC is a better rider. I like Nibali, I just don't like the ridiculous hype that came with it after he won the Tour

 

[LaFlorecita]

Hey La Flo, your constant dissing of Nibs could come across as you being scared of him against your boy Take it easy, only joking.

I'd like to believe most of my dissing is provoked by a certain member.

 

[pigoonse]

Don't know you're rambling about. Nobody itt has really taken shots at Nibali, its just people who take shots at a poster's (imo faulty logic). That and they just think AC is a better rider. I like Nibali, I just don't like the ridiculous hype that came with it after he won the Tour



Next time come up with something that's not related to terrorist attacks, even if you mean well

to the first part of your latest complaints about me, have you noticed that i am a Contador fan? putting Contador before Nibali does not bother me. But i do not feel inspired to defend Contador or my fellow Contador fans. There are plenty of them posting here and everywhere for that purpose - plus Contador's name and accomplishments stand on their own. do you read my posts or just whine about me when it suits you? actually about the anti-nibali fans here they don't take as many shots at Nibs as they seek to annoy and inflame (troll) the Nibs fans here.

anyway, what does what i wrote have to do with you? i didn't name you, Red Rick.

je suis charlie - please, that has come to mean freedom of the press, the pen, your opinion. i have not always been as tolerant as i should be but 'je suis charlie' is a good reminder of that. i honor Charlie Hebdo cartoonists; not the terrorists. sheesh, Red Rick.

 

[cineteq]

je suis charlie - please, that has come to mean freedom of the press, the pen, your opinion. i have not always been as tolerant as i should be but 'je suis charlie' is a good reminder of that. i honor Charlie Hebdo cartoonists; not the terrorists. sheesh, Red Rick.

One of the most bizarre attacks ever seen in this forum. Wow just wow. Je Suis (aussie) Charlie.

 

[cineteq]

Don't know you're rambling about. Nobody itt has really taken shots at Nibali, its just people who take shots at a poster's (imo faulty logic). That and they just think AC is a better rider. I like Nibali, I just don't like the ridiculous hype that came with it after he won the Tour

One of the most bizarre attacks ever seen in this forum. Wow just wow. Je Suis (aussie) Charlie.

 

[Red Rick]

I should've probably said that differently

 

[Rollthedice]

Don't know you're rambling about. Nobody itt has really taken shots at Nibali, its just people who take shots at a poster's (imo faulty logic). That and they just think AC is a better rider. I like Nibali, I just don't like the ridiculous hype that came with it after he won the Tour

I don't see much hype especially around this forum. Nobody would contest that AC is what he is but at the same time Nibali is number one GT rider of the last two years. This is a fact the rest are suppositions.

 

[Electress]

The '14 Dauphiné stage 2? Other than that, no I don't think so. Vuelta was interesting psychologically because Froome indicated he was stronger than he was and Contador did the opposite, how strong were they? We'll never know.

Mentally, I am in no doubt whatsoever about who is the toughest between Contador and Froome, especially after last season. I will be very interested to see how Froome responds to his bad year, and some of the mental recovery from his crashes and no longer being predominant. Sky didn't have a good year, and it'll be interesting to see if the Peters monkey model is up to snuff to reassemble a bit of battered confidence and what occasionally looked like fragility.

I think the thing about Nibali is that he isn't as similar to Contador as Froome is. Contador and Froome will probably be neck and neck in every stage, while Nibali might gain on the cobbles and the stage to Huy (depending on how hilly it is before Huy), but will lose to Froome and Contador on, say, stage 10.

This is an interesting point. Although I don't think Froome and Contador are exactly neck a neck in all ways - Alberto is tactically much better and on form, I think he's the better climber - I do agree that Nibali has a slightly different skill set, and this could well work out very well in his favour. Is he close enough to both to minimise his losses where perhaps he isn't as strong as AC and Froome (IMO), and exploit their focus on one another? And will his abilities on cobbles and descents be enough to establish a significant difference ?

No, that's how I see it for this year. But let the races do the talking.

You do know that 'the way you see it' is the antithesis of being objective?

But teasing you aside , I do agree - ultimately, all that matters is what plays out on the road next year. What's for sure is that if all are on form, the race should be interesting. Can't help thinking that having the yellow jersey early on might be a really poisoned chalice.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Nibbles will take the tour this July with 5 min, easy. You guys just have to wait and see

 

[Angliru]

1. Are you talking about last year's Froome? If so, I don't get it. 2. Yes, I think it's Alberto's trash talking without sounding like it. He's done a little bit as of late. He wasn't like that before. TBH, I think it's Bjarne or Tinkoff's influence, I believe they tells him what to say.

For the record, Chris Froome is just a fair weather rider, namely he should normally perform well at races as La Vuelta. He had. Otherwise, like last year TdF he was eliminated by stage 5. Let alone, there won't be multiple ITTs in this year's Tour.

I really can't see how one rider evaluating the threat level of his rivals can be misinterpreted as "trash talking". Seems more likely that because his conclusion is contrary to yours you feel the need to devalue it. Really, you're not the one out there feeling the pain of battling with his opponents. I think you create these silly scenarios in your mind for your own entertainment where Contador is some type of puppet for the whims of Riis and Tinkoff. It was cute at first but now it's getting tired. We all know that Nibali is your favorite but it seems you've gone beyond any rational thought to creating your fantasy world where Nibali is superior in the mountains and can hold his own in itt's. It is accepted he has an advantage in bike handling and has a very strong tactical sense but there has been absolutely no evidence of Nibali being able to climb on the level of Froome or Contador when all are on form.

 

[Angliru]

Now let's unbias the equation, and be objective: Nibali > Quintana > Contador > Froome.

...and of course unlike the rest of us, you are the poster boy for the unbiased sector of the forum.

 

[Angliru]

So the former mod, using his inmunity, decides to insult other posters just because he feels entitle to do it. Pick on somebody else before you get exposed even more. My recommendation.

On the other hand, I have to recognize I made a mistake about Huy finish. I did happen here. I guess I didn't realized the thread has been hijacked.

Because I don't share your 'objective" views? Deal with the fact other people think, and they're not just sheeps. #Veloroomers

So Contador isn't capable of individual thought when he rates Froome as his most dangerous rival?

 

[Angliru]

You guys and gals will never get tired of this, will you...

...well not till the real racing starts again. In the meantime I guess we have these productive debates fueled by our individual partisan opinions.

 

[cineteq]

So Contador isn't capable of individual thought when he rates Froome as his most dangerous rival?

I guess he is. I stand for what I said though.

...and of course unlike the rest of us, you are the poster boy for the unbiased sector of the forum.

Do you have a sense of humor?

there has been absolutely no evidence of Nibali being able to climb on the level of Froome or Contador when all are on form.

2014 TdF is the best evidence. If you want, just look the other way.

 

[Panda Claws]

I think Nibali can challenge both Froome and Contador. I doubt he'll be equally as strong in the high mountains, but he seems to know when to attack, is perhaps the best on the hills and I cannot see him losing much time either way.

Sure, Contador crushed Nibali in 2011 (4 seasons ago), but Nibali has clearly gotten so much stronger since while Contador imo does not really seem better than he was back then.

It'll be close though, and I have not looked at the parcours in detail.

Prediction: Nibali takes time in the odd stage, but cannot beat Contador/Froome in the mountains. Contador finally wins, Froome makes to many mistakes and ends 3rd.

 

[Red Rick]

I think Nibali can challenge both Froome and Contador. I doubt he'll be equally as strong in the high mountains, but he seems to know when to attack, is perhaps the best on the hills and I cannot see him losing much time either way.

Sure, Contador crushed Nibali in 2011 (4 seasons ago), but Nibali has clearly gotten so much stronger since while Contador imo does not really seem better than he was back then.

It'll be close though, and I have not looked at the parcours in detail.

Prediction: Nibali takes time in the odd stage, but cannot beat Contador/Froome in the mountains. Contador finally wins, Froome makes to many mistakes and ends 3rd.

Good post. As it looks now, Nibali won't destroy them uphill, but he can still make everyones live miserable with opportunistic attacks

 

[cineteq]

Sure, Contador crushed Nibali in 2011 (4 seasons ago), but Nibali has clearly gotten so much stronger since while Contador imo does not really seem better than he was back then.

Did he? It must've been another year.

2011 Giro d'Italia
1 Michele Scarponi (ITA) Lampre-ISD
2 Vincenzo Nibali (ITA) Liquigas-Cannondale + 46"
3 John Gadret (FRA) Ag2r-La Mondiale + 3' 54"
4 Joaquim Rodríguez (ESP) Team Katusha + 4' 55"
5 Roman Kreuziger (CZE) White jersey Astana + 5' 18"

 

[Jspear]

Did he? It must've been another year.

2011 Giro d'Italia
1 Michele Scarponi (ITA) Lampre-ISD
2 Vincenzo Nibali (ITA) Liquigas-Cannondale + 46"
3 John Gadret (FRA) Ag2r-La Mondiale + 3' 54"
4 Joaquim Rodríguez (ESP) Team Katusha + 4' 55"
5 Roman Kreuziger (CZE) White jersey Astana + 5' 18"

I'll help you. Steephill is usually a pretty good website to find race results...they go back to 2011.

1 Alberto Contador Velasco (Spa) Saxo Bank Sungard 84:05:14
2 Michele Scarponi (Ita) Lampre - ISD + 6:10
3 Vincenzo Nibali (Ita) Liquigas-Cannondale + 6:56
4 John Gadret (Fra) AG2R La Mondiale + 10:04
5 Joaquím Rodríguez Oliver (Spa) Katusha Team + 11:05


Here it is on Velonews as well.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2011/05/giro-ditalia/2011-giro-ditalia-stage-21-results-and-final-standings_176323

 

[cineteq]

I'll help you. Steephill is usually a pretty good website to find race results...they go back to 2011.

1 Alberto Contador Velasco (Spa) Saxo Bank Sungard 84:05:14
2 Michele Scarponi (Ita) Lampre - ISD + 6:10
3 Vincenzo Nibali (Ita) Liquigas-Cannondale + 6:56
4 John Gadret (Fra) AG2R La Mondiale + 10:04
5 Joaquím Rodríguez Oliver (Spa) Katusha Team + 11:05

I guess Lance agrees with you

 

[Jspear]

I guess Lance agrees with you

Whether you want to include that win officially or not isn't the point - the fact still stands that during the 2011 Giro, AC beat Nibbes by over 6 minutes...it did actually happen. I was simply answering your question...yes it did take place.

 

[cineteq]

Whether you want to include that win officially or not isn't the point - the fact still stands that during the 2011 Giro, AC beat Nibbes by over 6 minutes...it did actually happen. I was simply answering your question...yes it did take place.

Sorry officially that doesn't count, not sure what's your point here.

 

[Jspear]

Sorry officially that doesn't count, not sure what's your point here.

Your post indicated some confusion on your part. You seemed to think that in 2011 AC didn't "crush" Nibbes when he in fact did. I was just helping you see that.

 

[cineteq]

Your post indicated some confusion on your part. You seemed to think that in 2011 AC didn't "crush" Nibbes when he in fact did. I was just helping you see that.

I see it now, you must be one of few guys who still think Lance won 7 Tours.

 

[yespatterns]

I see it now, you must be one of few guys who still think Lance won 7 Tours.

Panties: they are in a twist.