Teams & Riders Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Nibali will probably do better than Froome

Nah. See Chieti 2013.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Nibali better on the Mur than Alberto? Hahahaha

Purito, Valverde, Kwia and Alberto will probably be the best on that climb. Nibali will probably do better than Froome, but I don't think there will be much of a gap between the contenders on that stage.

I guess Alberto > Froome > Nibali >= Quintana of the serious contenders

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

I guess Alberto > Froome > Nibali >= Quintana of the serious contenders

Agreed. And all within 10 seconds of each other. Probably closer than that.

 

[Netserk]

Nah. See Chieti 2013.

Compare that with the year before and his performances in FW. Should be better than Froome (especially since there won't be a HC climb before it).

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Compare that with the year before and his performances in FW. Should be better than Froome (especially since there won't be a HC climb before it).

Yeah, I was aware of his FW record and still think Froome will be better. What makes you think Froome will struggle to follow Nibali on a short wall climb?

 

[Red Rick]

Nibs won that race fair and square, he was Always a factor throughout the race. Okay Anton crashed out but he only had seconds on him. Nibali could easily have taken him just like he took JRod and Mosquera. I see nothing flukish about that win at all.

I didn't mean he didn't win fair and square. I meant that he was the weakest GT winner in a couple of years there and that his competition was very weak. His biggest rival crashed out while having the red jersey. I don't think he would've gotten a top 5 in the Tour in that shape. He beat everyone who also finished the Vuelta, so its a deserved win, but he had to improve a lot to win a GT again.

 

[Red Rick]

That is very true and really the main point.

Would love to see Contador in 2009 form against Froome in 2013 form.
That would be epic. And not sure how much impact Nibali would then make, if any..

Summary of what woul'dve happened. Not much difference in the Pyrenees, Froome takes a little time in the tt, maybe a little on the Ventoux. Contador wins the second tt and destroyes Froome in the Alpes, wins by 1-2 minutes. That is , if the crosswinds don't happen

 

[Netserk]

Yeah, I was aware of his FW record and still think Froome will be better. What makes you think Froome will struggle to follow Nibali on a short wall climb?

He just isn't that explosive/punchy (he can make some sick accelerations on the longer climbs, but I don't see him doing that on a short hill). On Mende I could very well see him drop Nibali, but on Huy on day 3? Just no.

 

[cineteq]

I guess Alberto > Froome > Nibali >= Quintana of the serious contenders

Now let's unbias the equation, and be objective: Nibali > Quintana > Contador > Froome.

 

[Carols]

I didn't mean he didn't win fair and square. I meant that he was the weakest GT winner in a couple of years there and that his competition was very weak. His biggest rival crashed out while having the red jersey. I don't think he would've gotten a top 5 in the Tour in that shape. He beat everyone who also finished the Vuelta, so its a deserved win, but he had to improve a lot to win a GT again.

Well he had just finished 3rd in the Giro (while in service) so a top 5 in the Tour would be big ask on a youngster. The word Fluke is the issue...it was no Fluke. It was good riding that won!

 

[Carols]

Now let's unbias the equation, and be objective: Nibali > Quintana > Contador > Froome.

Unbiased? Come on, you are just being Silly!!!

 

[cineteq]

Unbiased? Come on, you are just being Silly!!!

No, that's how I see it for this year. But let the races do the talking.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Unbiased? Come on, you are just being Silly!!!

He is stirring things as usual

 

[mastermind]

No, that's how I see it for this year. But let the races do the talking.

Do you base this on the races won, or the way the races were won?

I don't want to reduce the weight of Nibali's Tour victory (or Quintana's Giro victory), they both races very good! But both didn't have to fight for the victory in the last week, the only thing happening in those weeks were Valverde like

I do have to agree with your logic of placing Froome last if you base it on results.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Do you base this on the races won, or the way the races were won?

I don't want to reduce the weight of Nibali's Tour victory (or Quintana's Giro victory), they both races very good! But both didn't have to fight for the victory in the last week, the only thing happening in those weeks were Valverde like

I do have to agree with your logic of placing Froome last if you base it on results.

Uhm, the discussion was about how we should rate the 4 main GC contenders on a punchy finish like Huy.

 

[mastermind]

Uhm, the discussion was about how we should rate the 4 main GC contenders on a punchy finish like Huy.

Oops, sorry not paying attention, has been a long day

Then I would say Nibali > Contador > Quintana > Froome

 

[cineteq]

Uhm, the discussion was about how we should rate the 4 main GC contenders on a punchy finish like Huy.

No. This is not the Contador thread. The debate was about Contador saying Froome is his main rival.

I do have to agree with your logic of placing Froome last if you base it on results.

Maybe the only thing we agree on

Then I would say Nibali > Contador > Quintana > Froome

I guess I'm not the only "crazy guy" here

 

[LaFlorecita]

...while Nibali might gain on the cobbles and the stage to Huy (depending on how hilly it is before Huy), but will lose to Froome and Contador on, say, stage 10.

Nibali better on the Mur than Alberto? Hahahaha

Purito, Valverde, Kwia and Alberto will probably be the best on that climb. Nibali will probably do better than Froome, but I don't think there will be much of a gap between the contenders on that stage.

Nibali will probably do better than Froome

Nah. See Chieti 2013.

I guess Alberto > Froome > Nibali >= Quintana of the serious contenders

Agreed. And all within 10 seconds of each other. Probably closer than that.

You need to up your game cineteq, it's getting a bit pathetic

 

[LaFlorecita]

Oops, sorry not paying attention, has been a long day

Then I would say Nibali > Contador > Quintana > Froome

I think Contador is by far the punchiest rider of the lot, Nibali does not have the same acceleration

 

[Netserk]

No. This is not the Contador thread. The debate was about Contador saying Froome is his main rival.

Let's have a look and see if you are right. I wrote the following:

Nibali better on the Mur than Alberto? Hahahaha

Purito, Valverde, Kwia and Alberto will probably be the best on that climb. Nibali will probably do better than Froome, but I don't think there will be much of a gap between the contenders on that stage.

To that LaFlo quoted my post and wrote the following:

I guess Alberto > Froome > Nibali >= Quintana of the serious contenders

Then you quoted LaFlo's post and wrote this:

Now let's unbias the equation, and be objective: Nibali > Quintana > Contador > Froome.

So it is indeed about the Huy finish. You were wrong (again). Deal with it.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Let's have a look and see if you are right. I wrote the following:

To that LaFlo quoted my post and wrote the following:

Then you quoted LaFlo's post and wrote this:

So it is indeed about the Huy finish. You were wrong (again). Deal with it.

Cineteq is turning into a slightly less offensive version of Ryo, it seems.

 

[Netserk]

Cineteq is turning into a slightly less offensive version of Ryo, it seems.

If possible, an even dumber version of Ryo.

 

[cineteq]

If possible, an even dumber version of Ryo.

So the former mod, using his inmunity, decides to insult other posters just because he feels entitle to do it. Pick on somebody else before you get exposed even more. My recommendation.

On the other hand, I have to recognize I made a mistake about Huy finish. I did happen here. I guess I didn't realized the thread has been hijacked.

Cineteq is turning into a slightly less offensive version of Ryo, it seems.

Because I don't share your 'objective" views? Deal with the fact other people think, and they're not just sheeps. #Veloroomers

 

[Miburo]

I guess some don't understand the defintion of a rival

a person or thing that is in a position to dispute another's preeminence or superiority:

That's what Froome did to Contador, nibali not at all. How can a man who has never proven to be better than Contador, a man who always got destroyed by contador be considered his main rival?

Nibali hasn't proven anything against Contador, facts.

 

[Arnout]

You guys and gals will never get tired of this, will you...