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2. Well when a rider has more races in which he can be successful it isnt surprising that he is a bit worse in the races in which he rides against the other person so IMO thats actually a point for nibali.
3. That asterisk still isnt a good explanation why you put that result into your list anyway
4. Thats either a post with a clinical ulterior motive, or you really forgot about Contador
5. I don't know what AeroBars meant with that statement, but I'm 100% sure he didnt complain that you didnt put the tdf 2013 into your list. Just because someone is wrong that doesnt mean you can interpret his post however you want
6. As written in 1. Nibali often peaked differently than froome so not all of these results mean a lot, but still you are right that froome has a clear advantage in the head to heads.
7. I didnt see the split of the bunch in the Zeelande stage, I unfortunately switched on to late, but if I'm right they at least helped to increase the advantage. However I don't think it was unfair, something like that is completely normal in a cross wind stage BUT
8. I also think that Nibali's attack was okay because it wasnt an attack to win the tdf but to win the stage, so 1. it doesnt really matter that the leader had a mechanical and 2. we still don't know for sure if he attacked because froome had a mechanical (although to be honest thats pretty likely
) Moreover I'd say more than 50% of the forum members here say that Contadors attack on the bales 2010 was okay. 7 and 8 are both no gentleman moves but also no reason to complain
9. 2012 is by far more disliked than 2014 and I'm pretty sure the same counts for 2013. Moreover was it Nibali's fault that Peraud got 2nd? If Nibali had won that tour by less than a minute, I would agree with you, that Froome/AC/Quintana would have beaten him. But Nibali won the tour by 7 minutes 37 and his advantage could have been even bigger if he needed any more time. Believe me there was more than enough place for Froome to get 2nd and still be clearly in front of Peraud.
10. Funny that you argue with that because honestly, in 10 years nobody will care against whom Nibali was riding 2014 and in 10 years a win in every gt + a monument will definitely be seen as more successful than 2 tdf's.
11.-12. Please don't write about doping here, or at least don't accuse someone of doping. These discussions belong to another forum section
13. Firstly it was also very unsportsmanlike by froome to do that. Secondly the situation for Nibali was just extremely unlucky. Ofc that sticky bottle was extremely stupid but Nibali crashed and his service car had the idea to pull him forward. Put froome in the same situation and he would do the same.
14. I need an explanation for that statement, but I'm pretty sure it was once again snotty
PS: he was a favorite for the tdf 2015. His preparation in 2014 was extremely bad as well and he still had a great shape during the race.
1. Why shouldnt we compare Nibali with the pre vuelta 2011 froome? I thought this is a discussion who isnt only the better but also the more successful rider, and because froome and nibali are around the same age, I don't see a reason why we shouldnt compare these results too. Besides that Nibali often peaked completely different, and especially his results 2014 and 2015 don't say a lot because he almost only concentrated on the tdf (although ofc in the tour 2015 froome was indeed way better)silvergrenade said:First of all, I would like to say that there has been some incredible support, unexpected of course but greatly appreciated. (Refer to Second Post)
As to reply Mr. Aerobars, who is a fellow lurker like me, I'm incredibly pleased that I could illicit such a response. I'd say its my honour sir. Sorry for the late response as it was my country's Republic Day.
1. Your first point was about me cherry picking races. I did nothing of that sort sir. I simply compiled all the races where they met head to head after Chris Froome turned into a leader. Comparing anything before that is counterproductive owing to the fact that it would not give us the clear picture. Eg. We can't compare Richie Porte against say Vincenzo Nibali because he put it efforts which weren't to win but to help someone else win. Now, with his switch to BMC we can really put it to test as to who's better.
2. I didn't amplify anything, my dear sir, just merged their palmares to get the races where they went head to head as race leaders I.e. where they went to WIN.
3. As for putting the asterisks, please see the compilation closely again. I've put an asterisk on the 2015 Vuelta where VN was thrown out and a clear battle couldn't take place.
4. My aim was never to glorify his 2 Tour wins as you can see from the post. But since you talk about it, isn't he the only multiple Tour de France winner in recent times? Yeah, he is. Must be awesome.
5. Well, I've not even mentioned the 2013 Tour and you, sir, are howling about it, God knows why.
6. You can clearly see that when they've gone head to head, Chris froome leads 7-2. (When both were leaders)
7. I'm curious about the point you make about Nibali giving courtesy to Froome. I'm sure they just rode on at the same pace. In Zeeland, was it Team Sky that attacked? I think it was Tinkoff Saxo, no?
8. Also, attacking the yellow Jersey in the mountains when he's had a mechanical is cheap, really cheap.... Ofc its not cheaper than talking crap about your own teammates. (Lol).
I'm pretty sure most ppl would not agree about Contador attacking Schleck in the mountains when he was in yellow, which clearly was visible at the podium ceremony, and Contador, the amazing rider that he is, apologized to his fans. (Incredible). Something I can't say is true for Vincenzo Nibali.(Lol)
9. 2014 TdF, in majority's opinion was the worst in recent history. Many ppl have written about it. Please refer that only. JC Peraud on the podium. Lol.(Thank you ppl)
10. About one trick pony and Nibali being this amazing rider according to you. As you have seen I like to draw analogies. I would prefer being Novak Djokovic than Gael Monfils, because he wins, and wins and wins. Gael Monfils can be the eternal crowds favourite, dive to get across to balls but he would never go into a tourney as the favourite.
11. I'm really surprised you even brought doping tests up. What team does Nibali ride for? Ohh.. Astana, isn't it? Wasn't it gonna lose its racing license. Might have heard wrong. Sorry sir. Sorry, from the bottom of my heart. I heard many people got a positive from Astana. Damn, must have heard wrong. (Lol)
12. As for missed dope tests, I'm curious how many VN has missed in his career. Instead of applauding a rider for telling the public that he missed a drug test, you're vilifying him. The guy whose team's many riders test positive is being applauded. Must be some world I'm living in.
13. Thrown out for hanging onto a car. I'm again surprised you even brought that up. There's a stark difference between the Nibali case and The Chris Froome case. Nibali is the designated leader of a world tour team. He has media all around him. He's going for the win. Froome, at that time, was a lowly domestique, completely wasted. He was half an hour behind and would eventually have withdrawn. Nibali, on the other hand cracked under pressure. He as well as his team. Its hilarious looking at that video. You should have a look too.
14. As for being obsessed with something….
Its funny but my dad says to be successful that something, be obsessed and work hard towards it and you’ll get it. I think Chris Froome is doing the same. He’s trying to win the toughest bike race in the world multiple times. I really do hope though, that VN wins a few more GTs against the likes of Rigoberto and JC Peraud cus he CAN beat them in my opinion.
PS: I used to not hate VN but his comments about his teammates was the final nail in the coffin. I mean, how can anybody be this arrogant and snotty? Does he even know what happened in the Tour 15? Maybe not. Still living in his own bubble. (Lol)
Another thing which was really hilarious was his brushing aside of Chris Froome as even a favourite to win the Tour 15 saying in a pre-Tour interview stating that Chris Froome’s fitness is not as good as his, Quintana and Contadors. I guess he just forgot that he lost the Criterium du Dauphine 2015 handily to that guy only.
He should really learn some humility.
Have a goodun guys.
2. Well when a rider has more races in which he can be successful it isnt surprising that he is a bit worse in the races in which he rides against the other person so IMO thats actually a point for nibali.
3. That asterisk still isnt a good explanation why you put that result into your list anyway
4. Thats either a post with a clinical ulterior motive, or you really forgot about Contador
5. I don't know what AeroBars meant with that statement, but I'm 100% sure he didnt complain that you didnt put the tdf 2013 into your list. Just because someone is wrong that doesnt mean you can interpret his post however you want
6. As written in 1. Nibali often peaked differently than froome so not all of these results mean a lot, but still you are right that froome has a clear advantage in the head to heads.
7. I didnt see the split of the bunch in the Zeelande stage, I unfortunately switched on to late, but if I'm right they at least helped to increase the advantage. However I don't think it was unfair, something like that is completely normal in a cross wind stage BUT
8. I also think that Nibali's attack was okay because it wasnt an attack to win the tdf but to win the stage, so 1. it doesnt really matter that the leader had a mechanical and 2. we still don't know for sure if he attacked because froome had a mechanical (although to be honest thats pretty likely
) Moreover I'd say more than 50% of the forum members here say that Contadors attack on the bales 2010 was okay. 7 and 8 are both no gentleman moves but also no reason to complain9. 2012 is by far more disliked than 2014 and I'm pretty sure the same counts for 2013. Moreover was it Nibali's fault that Peraud got 2nd? If Nibali had won that tour by less than a minute, I would agree with you, that Froome/AC/Quintana would have beaten him. But Nibali won the tour by 7 minutes 37 and his advantage could have been even bigger if he needed any more time. Believe me there was more than enough place for Froome to get 2nd and still be clearly in front of Peraud.
10. Funny that you argue with that because honestly, in 10 years nobody will care against whom Nibali was riding 2014 and in 10 years a win in every gt + a monument will definitely be seen as more successful than 2 tdf's.
11.-12. Please don't write about doping here, or at least don't accuse someone of doping. These discussions belong to another forum section
13. Firstly it was also very unsportsmanlike by froome to do that. Secondly the situation for Nibali was just extremely unlucky. Ofc that sticky bottle was extremely stupid but Nibali crashed and his service car had the idea to pull him forward. Put froome in the same situation and he would do the same.
14. I need an explanation for that statement, but I'm pretty sure it was once again snotty
PS: he was a favorite for the tdf 2015. His preparation in 2014 was extremely bad as well and he still had a great shape during the race.
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