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Normally he ain't gonna win the Giro anymore. Yes he's been at Teide. Yes he already called Landa the favorite for GdTM beforehand. Yes he might improve his shape until May.
But his shape ain't even close to his Dauphine shape of 2014 when he went on to win the Tour. In fact it's even worse than his 2015 Dauphine shape, when he was chanceless as well at the Tour.
But his shape ain't even close to his Dauphine shape of 2014 when he went on to win the Tour. In fact it's even worse than his 2015 Dauphine shape, when he was chanceless as well at the Tour.
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I saw the interview with Sheffer, and he was remarkably calm, cool and collected. I was expecting him to have said those things in a more defensive, protective, worried manner, but no. That tells me that things may be actually going to plan, however weird it seems to me. Needless to say, like many other posers here I am really confused as to what has happened. If he was going full out now then he was worse than how he was at Oman. Either he is truly taking this for race training or has somehow destroyed his winter base.
Nibali usually does Teide, Prep race, Dolomites with Slongo on a motorbike. In 2014 that is what he did, as he was lacking the power over the threshold. He doesn't usually do much acceleration-type training on Teide. That is usually for steady, measured efforts. In the Dolomites he then does that. It worked quite nicely in 2014; in 2015 it was a weird year as he seemed better in the Dauphine (yes, he finished worse IIRC but he really emptied himself on that great stage with rui and Bala in the break, so was absolutely dead for the next couple of stages) but then was bad at the Tour. Idk if the crash didn't help.
staubsauger said:
Nibali usually does Teide, Prep race, Dolomites with Slongo on a motorbike. In 2014 that is what he did, as he was lacking the power over the threshold. He doesn't usually do much acceleration-type training on Teide. That is usually for steady, measured efforts. In the Dolomites he then does that. It worked quite nicely in 2014; in 2015 it was a weird year as he seemed better in the Dauphine (yes, he finished worse IIRC but he really emptied himself on that great stage with rui and Bala in the break, so was absolutely dead for the next couple of stages) but then was bad at the Tour. Idk if the crash didn't help.
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I have no great expectations for Sunday, it's the day after tomorrow and the only chance is if somebody takes off the speed limiter which seem to hold him back. Well, it's so weird what's happening now that I'm thinking the strategy is to ride himself into form halfway through the Giro when the hard high mountain stages will come. Let's not forget he didn't rule out Le Tour and Rio is very important. Of course it's also possible that Slongo messed it up since his base form looked very good.
Carols said:
I have no great expectations for Sunday, it's the day after tomorrow and the only chance is if somebody takes off the speed limiter which seem to hold him back. Well, it's so weird what's happening now that I'm thinking the strategy is to ride himself into form halfway through the Giro when the hard high mountain stages will come. Let's not forget he didn't rule out Le Tour and Rio is very important. Of course it's also possible that Slongo messed it up since his base form looked very good.
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I pray it hasn't been messed up because he looked very good early but now when it counts he doesn't look like much
That form just shouldn't disappear unless he got ill and kept it a secret? Or as you say he is underdone intentionally which could really backfire.
Anyway my fingers are crossed for the Giro because despite the TTs he can't afford to have Landa just ride away from him when the road goes up
Rollthedice said:
I pray it hasn't been messed up because he looked very good early but now when it counts he doesn't look like much
That form just shouldn't disappear unless he got ill and kept it a secret? Or as you say he is underdone intentionally which could really backfire.Anyway my fingers are crossed for the Giro because despite the TTs he can't afford to have Landa just ride away from him when the road goes up
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That's not good. Do they have any idea why? Should they even see a doctor about it?
IlGrillo said:
That's not good. Do they have any idea why? Should they even see a doctor about it?
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me think the same. He is horrible today. Got dropped like a stone. If he is thinking of increasing his form in the next two weeks, don't you think Landa will be too? Landa was ill and still he can cover every move with ease. Nibali better brings his A game. Even Fulgsang and Kangert looked much better than him. Maybe the ass beating by Landa will make Nibali wake up for his diva sleep.
staubsauger said:
me think the same. He is horrible today. Got dropped like a stone. If he is thinking of increasing his form in the next two weeks, don't you think Landa will be too? Landa was ill and still he can cover every move with ease. Nibali better brings his A game. Even Fulgsang and Kangert looked much better than him. Maybe the ass beating by Landa will make Nibali wake up for his diva sleep.
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I may very well look like a fool, but I think those are all valid question without having followed Nibali's career too much. He might very well turn up in the mountains and prove me completely wrong, but I didnt expect this scenario at all. Nibali downplayed his role, but I thought he would come out guns blazing in Trentino due to his good start of the season.
How reliable is that? Is it normal, or does it only apply to Nibali cause the likes of Scarponi, Kangert and Fuglsang doesnt seem to have those problems. Are they lying, trying to protect Nibali and give him an opportunity to get back into shape without the media being all over him? Is it a Slongo-experiment gone wrong, is Nibali to the lazy side or has he passed his 13-14 prime? Is it maybe clinical?IlGrillo said:
I may very well look like a fool, but I think those are all valid question without having followed Nibali's career too much. He might very well turn up in the mountains and prove me completely wrong, but I didnt expect this scenario at all. Nibali downplayed his role, but I thought he would come out guns blazing in Trentino due to his good start of the season.
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Usually italian journalist are very protective of national riders, I think you all know some of the awkward comments by Beppe Conti. I think you can take those statements as a grain of salt, but the they were very specific and said that Slongo was the source of those data. They also said that Kangert body has different reactions to the altitude training and that's why he was very good.
Valv.Piti said:
Usually italian journalist are very protective of national riders, I think you all know some of the awkward comments by Beppe Conti. I think you can take those statements as a grain of salt, but the they were very specific and said that Slongo was the source of those data. They also said that Kangert body has different reactions to the altitude training and that's why he was very good.
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In 2013 he had 7 days from Teide to start of Trentino, this year they came back Saturday and started Tuesday. Maybe those 7/10 days to get back to competitive level are true and he will "unblock" in time for the Giro. He was good, this base form at least just can't vanish. Still hope he'll be strong in Giro but sadly don't expect much in LBL.
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Well, if he came back Satrurday, it is 8 days until Liege the next Sunday...
Rollthedice said:
Well, if he came back Satrurday, it is 8 days until Liege the next Sunday...
Re: Nibali discussion thread
Nibali is slowly becoming like Basso in his late years... couldn't compete because of a fall during the training camp one month ago... blahblahblah. Why Contador is always competitive? I mean, if the spaniard is not on his peak he's not the best but still competitive! Nibali couldn't be seen during this Trentino. I guess we'll have to wait the Giro to find out what is really going on, my fear is that his decline already started, but I hope I'm wrong.
Nibali is slowly becoming like Basso in his late years... couldn't compete because of a fall during the training camp one month ago... blahblahblah. Why Contador is always competitive? I mean, if the spaniard is not on his peak he's not the best but still competitive! Nibali couldn't be seen during this Trentino. I guess we'll have to wait the Giro to find out what is really going on, my fear is that his decline already started, but I hope I'm wrong.
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If he's any good at L-B-L it only confirms so far, that he has become a classics rider lately.
Re: Nibali discussion thread
Condition... Really... bad.
He has two weeks, and if he doesn't ride Romandie then this was the last race prior to the one he plan to win.
Condition... Really... bad.
He has two weeks, and if he doesn't ride Romandie then this was the last race prior to the one he plan to win.
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