Teams & Riders Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

[Forever The Best]

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I honestly think he's declining. I don't believe he can mess his preparation two years in a row. He's been a pro for ten years, he must know his body. And he's got the best coaches around.

Idk, he's been getting better and better with the tour 2014 as a climax.

Suddenly he dropped down to a shape of which i can't even remember when it was this bad? 2009?

2009 is way better than this.He was 3rd in Verbier and arrived with Armstrong on Grand.On Ventoux he was a bit weak but still they all rode very impressive that day even against a headwind and Nibali was quite aggressive that day.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

oh nibbles
2 years in a row with sub par form is not a good sign at all.

 

[SafeBet]

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Idk, he's been getting better and better with the tour 2014 as a climax.

Suddenly he dropped down to a shape of which i can't even remember when it was this bad? 2009?

He has never been that bad. That's the point.
I've never seen him as bad as he was in the MTT or today.

 

[Carols]

He'll move from Astana and find himself again away from Vino.......but right now he's only a pale imitation of 2013/2014 Nibs

 

[staubsauger]

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I honestly think he's declining. I don't believe he can mess his preparation two years in a row. He's been a pro for ten years, he must know his body. And he's got the best coaches around.

Astana totally failed with Aru's preparation for Pais Vasco as well after he had surprisingly good early season shape at Algarve! So I ain't gonna blame only Nibali for his weakness here.

 

[dacooley]

seems like nibs will have to reevalute his goal after this giro

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

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I honestly think he's declining. I don't believe he can mess his preparation two years in a row. He's been a pro for ten years, he must know his body. And he's got the best coaches around.

Astana totally failed with Aru's preparation for Pais Vasco as well after he had surprisingly good early season shape at Algarve! So I ain't gonna blame only Nibali for his weakness here.

Astana's track record of peaking, especially or the giro is pretty much flawless. Aru has been a weird one this year, I'll give you that one

 

[Miburo]

He's 31 orso, no way you're suddenly this bad because you're declining and age is the reason. I wouldn't go that far yet.

It's weird though, i don't think it's a clinic reason too because it's his last year with astana so normally you would assume he would be fine on that department.

And yea he's never been this bad.

It could be an anomaly. Yeah ok last year it happened too but he recovered in the last week of the tour and he still won Lombardy. Being this bad in the giro is from a different caliber.

He's a champion, he'll be back. That's what I thought aswell with Contador in 2013 and 2014 was one of this best years so

 

[SafeBet]

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I honestly think he's declining. I don't believe he can mess his preparation two years in a row. He's been a pro for ten years, he must know his body. And he's got the best coaches around.

Astana totally failed with Aru's preparation for Pais Vasco as well after he had surprisingly good early season shape at Algarve! So I ain't gonna blame only Nibali for his weakness here.

I'm sorry but Aru has never been that good in one week races. I'm not gonna blame Astana for Nibali's form right now. I heard Slongo's interview after the stage and he was genuinely surprised by his late performances. Something is wrong and it's not about preparation.

 

[Miburo]

Maybe it's that kid thing, there was a young rider who died last week. Maybe it affected nibali heavily, there's more to life than cycling after all.

 

[jsem94]

I was thinking about that too, the kid's death affecting him. I think he'll come back strong though. Last year after a disappointing season he went on to dominate Lombardia and take his first monument. Form is temporary, class is permanent.

 

[TheYouyou7]

Re: Nibali discussion thread

I think that he came here underprepared hoping that he could carry his form all the way to Rio...
Anyway i think that in order to win he should have benn in 2014 form, the Dutchman is incredibly strong right now...

 

[Carols]

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I was thinking about that too, the kid's death affecting him. I think he'll come back strong though. Last year after a disappointing season he went on to dominate Lombardia and take his first monument. Form is temporary, class is permanent.

Indeed it is, he will bounce back.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Nibali keeps underestimating his opponent. The Dumoulin-Vuelta copy/paste from Aru won't work because he is now actually weaker than his main opponent.

He'll just keep getting countered and burned.
And the further away he starts, the better for Diesel Kruijswijk. It's like Nibali is blind to his opponent strengths. If he wanted to beat him it would be by explosivity and maybe downhill. This was the dumbest tactic, Not that I mind.

 

[Climbing]

He'll win the Olympics!
I think he came to Giro underprepared as well, he cannot be so bad all of a sudden.

 

[SafeBet]

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Nibali keeps underestimating his opponent. The Dumoulin-Vuelta copy/paste from Aru won't work because he is now actually weaker than his main opponent.

He'll just keep getting countered and burned.
And the further away he starts, the better for Diesel Kruijswijk. It's like Nibali is blind to his opponent strengths. If he wanted to beat him it would be by explosivity and maybe downhill. This was the dumbest tactic, Not that I mind.

I disagree completely. This is not about being dropped by Kruijswijk. It's about being dropped by Firsanov and Bob Jungels, with all due respect.

He's not blind to his opponent strength, he looks blind to his own strength. That's the problem.
He's been attacking from the first week and I truly don't understand why. He's feeling good and then pops? He's feeling bad and attacks anyway? Even Cassani doesn't have a clue about this.

 

[SeriousSam]

Yeah, talk of tactics and misjudging opponents is fine and all, but the elephant in the room is that Nibali is getting dropped by B level GC riders. Under those circumstances, victory is impossible. He needs to understand why his form is ***

 

[Climbing]

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Yeah, talk of tactics and misjudging opponents is fine and all, but the elephant in the room is that Nibali is getting dropped by B level GC riders. Under those circumstances, victory is impossible. He needs to understand why his form is ****

Indeed, good tactics and bad legs don’t go well together.
As you say they need to understand what didn’t work, unless Slongo really thought that Nibali could race Giro, Tour and Olympics with growing form…
They cannot be that naive, can they?!

 

[SafeBet]

Cassani is now talking at Processo alla Tappa, saying some interesting things. "Nibali's winter preparation was perfect, the best of his life. then he was flying in Oman and very strong in Tirreno. The problem is that he stopped for more than one month after MSR and then only raced Tirreno and LBL before the Giro. I know this is the same racing schedule he had in 2013 when he won the Giro, but he's getting older. And when you get older you have to race more to be prepared".

 

[May0maniac]

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Cassani is now talking at Processo alla Tappa, saying some interesting things. "Nibali's winter preparation was perfect, the best of his life. then he was flying in Oman and very strong in Tirreno. The problem is that he stopped for more than one month after MSR and then only raced Tirreno and LBL before the Giro. I know this is the same racing schedule he had in 2013 when he won the Giro, but he's getting older. And when you get older you have to race more to be prepared".

Yeah, I heard it too, he's probably right, Nibali was flying at the start of the season, something went wrong after MSR.
Nibali was always a rider who could ride into shape really fast, just look at his bad 2012 Dauphine right before getting a Tour podium or his really poor showing in the 2013 Tour of Poland before the Vuelta, maybe that's no longer the chase.

 

[Climbing]

Thas it means the season if completely ***?

 

[Billie]

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Maybe it's that kid thing, there was a young rider who died last week. Maybe it affected nibali heavily, there's more to life than cycling after all.

Indeed. He's heavily affected. The young rider was like a brother to him.

 

[SafeBet]

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Thas it means the season if completely ****?

Well if that is true, I would say the season can still bring some good results. The base level should be great considering how strong he was at the beginning of the season.

 

[Guybrush]

No rivals at Oman, Boasson Hagen was 6

 

[Rollthedice]

2013, no Slongo, wins Giro, TA, Trentino, 3rd in Burgos and almost Vuelta. Next year Slongo works on a lancelike peak, it works while doing nothing all year. 2015, let's do it again, nothing all year it fails at Le Tour, sent home from Vuelta he picks himself up, I assume no Slongo strategy, wins almost all Italian one day races and Lombardia. This year he starts very well, then after TA Slongo says take 10 days off then Teide. Comes back and he's crap ever since. Surely something is wrong here?