Teams & Riders Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

[blackmamba]

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Well, considering this is just an average post by blackmamba on the 'how childish and stupid is my post on a scale of 1-10', I think he deserves it.

Your the type who dont like to be wrong I guess. And calling the greatest rider of our generation a hype is pretty impressive to actually say and think. The fact that I point it out to you guys who seems lost a few times you should just thank me, anyway this isnt about him so I wont dwelve on that matter everyone already aknowledge Contaor as the greatest GT rider of our generation so nothing to speak of. You should rather focus on making up your mind, you called Majka a passive rider and rider who had a bad TT and riding passive in the mountains for sad but defend Quintana

Im not sure your quit well anyway all the best.

Since absolutely everyone on this forum says that your posts are childish don't you think that there maybe is a tiny possibility that your posts are indeed childish?

They are very childish to be honest, but nonetheless their also true but in a childish way to provoke people here who seems very confused, there you go !

 

[Ataraxus]

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Looking forward to his 100km solo attack!

Me too. But if he doesn't take either Chaves or Valverde with him, they'll gang up against him and crack him like an old nut.
And considering the fact that Chaves is close in GC and might be satisfied with second and the usual conservative rides of Valverde( and his target shift for podium), the odds of those alliances happening look very low for the moment.

 

[Pricey_sky]

Not writing Nibali off just yet, but this has to go down as a big failure, especially if he struggles in the final stages and doesn't even podium. Since his Tour win 2 years ago he's done very little, bar the odd good showing.

What does he focus on after this? maybe target one-day races? He's going to be no match for Contador, Froome and Quintana in the GT's. Whilst the 2nd-tier brigade of Aru, Chavez ect seem to have his measure now too.

 

[SeriousSam]

Valverde's assessment

"Today Nibali had a regular day but with bad luck, because he had to change his bike"

lolololo

 

[Rollthedice]

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Not writing Nibali off just yet, but this has to go down as a big failure, especially if he struggles in the final stages and doesn't even podium. Since his Tour win 2 years ago he's done very little, bar the odd good showing.

What does he focus on after this? maybe target one-day races? He's going to be no match for Contador, Froome and Quintana in the GT's. Whilst the 2nd-tier brigade of Aru, Chavez ect seem to have his measure now too.

I wouldn't call very little fourth at Le Tour with the best field there is while winning an important stage and then a monument. Now it's complicated, he'll most likely change the team for next year but the odd thing is that he started this year well, winning a stage and the overall in Oman and looking strong in TA with the bad luck of canceling the MTF. How did he get in this inconsistent shape to the Giro is a mistery to me.

 

[Carols]

Vince on FB
"There are good days and dark days. Today one of those! The smile always remains! I'm human and I'm not ashamed." ‪#‎Nevergiveup‬

 

[HelloDolly]

From the outside I think Nibali has not put the same effort in to training since wining the Tour..I don't think he does half the work Valverde does and it shows. He does not have the same hunger

Vino did not look very happy today

 

[Pippo_San]

The postal service has been alerted. Huge letter from Vino incoming. Defcon 1 status at Astana.

 

[Jancouver]

Nib will be OK. He is just getting older and needs a day off to recuperate. I'm sure Vino has has a few quick recovery tricks up his sleeves ... as we all know, the right recovery "meal" can do magic ...

 

[lenric]

I guess his daughter was born close to his Tour victory and I remember that in 2015 he said he wanted to race a lighter schedule than in 2014, so that he could spend more time with his family. Maybe his focus isn't anymore in cycling, or, at least, he isn't as focused as before.

We also have to consider that he won all three GTs. He's the only GT rider (from those that still ride), apart from Contador, that have done that, so he may not feel the hunger of winning many more. He has a different personality from Contador.

 

[movingtarget]

The bike change did not cost him much time. Dodging idiot spectators would have cost him as much. He was well behind at that point anyway. Great comeback by Valverde and a solid ride by Chaves. Superb by Steven K but Uran should probably take it easy on a few stages and try for a stage win but that seems unlikely as well.

 

[SafeBet]

Scarponi was very optimistic in the post race interview, but then again he always is.
He said Nibali paid for yesterday's effort and didn't recover. He also said he was with Valverde two days ago and he admired the way he kept on riding, losing "only" 3 minutes in a very bad day. Everybody was ready to write Valverde off after two days ago and then he responded well. Maybe Nibali can do the same.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

He's doing this just for the spectacle. Get ready for a tour 2014 performance last week

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Not writing Nibali off just yet, but this has to go down as a big failure, especially if he struggles in the final stages and doesn't even podium. Since his Tour win 2 years ago he's done very little, bar the odd good showing.

What does he focus on after this? maybe target one-day races? He's going to be no match for Contador, Froome and Quintana in the GT's. Whilst the 2nd-tier brigade of Aru, Chavez ect seem to have his measure now too.

I wouldn't call very little fourth at Le Tour with the best field there is while winning an important stage and then a monument. Now it's complicated, he'll most likely change the team for next year but the odd thing is that he started this year well, winning a stage and the overall in Oman and looking strong in TA with the bad luck of canceling the MTF. How did he get in this inconsistent shape to the Giro is a mistery to me.

You say 4th, I say 8 and a half minutes down, ahead of a tired Contador, and the legendary stage racers Mollema and Gesink. He won his stage while everyone stopped for the Froome mechanical and winning a monument is irrelevant to his ability in the GTs, which is what is being discussed right now

 

[Valv.Piti]

Well, while his 4th wasn't spectacular, I can't ever remember a top-5 consisting of such good riders: Froome, Quintana, Valv, Nibali and Contador. He recovered, got his stage win and was unlucky at the Alp, not that it would have changed anything.

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Well, while his 4th wasn't spectacular, I can't ever remember a top-5 consisting of such good riders: Froome, Quintana, Valv, Nibali and Contador. He recovered, got his stage win and was unlucky at the Alp, not that it would have changed anything.

He deserves more credit for his stage win than I gave him in my post, but whilst it was a hugely competitive field, his 4th place isn't anywhere near as spectacular as you'd think considering the field

Froome took more time on Nibali than Nibs did on Peraud and Pinot back in 2014

 

[Mr.White]

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He'll go à la mort on the Agnello or Bonette to win it but he'll crack.

This. I think he's going to be out of the podium...

 

[railxmig]

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I was in a bit of a hiatus from following cycling. I've decided to play a bit of a fantasy cycling with Nibali and his Astana team. At last that's how i would try to play it if i were Astana DS. Here's an excerpt from my post in Kruijswijk's thread.

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I've seen complains directed to his team that he's [Kruijswijk] in a Vuelta '15 Doumulin situation and we know how it ended up in his case. Astana seems to be very strong with "Klitschko" still in top 10 (a nick gave to Fuglsang after his "encounter" with Paulinho in i think TdF 2010, was it after the stage to Gap?). But their leader - Nibali seem to be a bit weak and he's known to not handle very well long range attacks (that's only my opinion). Last year he did redeem himself with a good attack on Dauphine and a nice stage win in Tour but i still don't trust him in long range tries. For now i don't think Nibali is as succesful in such attacks as Costa or Nieve (unsure about Sivtsov) who have history of winning brilliant stages. Nibbles will definitely be annoying but i doubt he'll be dangerous. I think the last two Alpine stages will depend more on Chaves rather than Nibali.

Tomorrow? Paganella isn't a very difficult climb but the rest day can sometimes be deadly (Fuente De 2012, PSM 2015) but i doubt anything will happen tomorrow. I think of a group of 5-10 people sprinting up to the finish line. I would wait till the last stage to attack on the lower and more difficult slopes of Lombardia to try regain those 2 minutes. And because the latter kms of Lombardia outside last 3 are more of an uphill drag up to only 6-7% it can be more friendly for the attackers.

Of course on the before this stage to Risoul via Agnel a team like Astana should keep some sort of a pace and try to isolate the "sunken" one preferably on Agnel to drain from him as much energy as they only can while leaving something in the tank for themselves. A quick burst of energy on Agnel and then keeping some tempo in the valley leading to Risoul before everybody but Figlsang and Nibali pulling off trying to get back as much energy as they only can while staying in the time limit. Then for the last stage a possible plan would be Fuglsang trying to go for a breakaway on Vars -> isolate Kruijswijk either on Vars thanks to Fuglsang or later on Bonette if he will manage to get away -> control with Scarponi and Kangert the breakaway so the time gap won't be too big -> attack with Nibali on the lower slopes of Lombardia and try to shake off Kruijswijk -> get to Fuglsang before the easier parts after Isola 2000 -> dash to the finish line. Astana knows how to use their team tactics (Aru winning Vuelta) and Fuglsang, Scarponi and Kangert have good legs in this Giro but it will depend on Nibali's legs and Chaves too.

Geez i'm stupid, most of this post belong to fantasy cycling rather than reality.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

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Not much convincing tone in Nibali. He says if Kruijswijk doesn't have a bad day, he will win the Giro.
He said aligning plans only works when there is weakness in the leader.

 

[Miburo]

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Not much convincing tone in Nibali. He says if Kruijswijk doesn't have a bad day, he will win the Giro.
He said aligning plans only works when there is weakness in the leader.

You should be really afraid then, the less talk from nibali the more you gotta be scared of him.

He'll for sure attack from super far out using his team, that's a given. It doesn't matter what he says, he's a champion. They're predictable in that sense

 

[Pippo_San]

Well certainly it won't be easy for Kruswhatever to have all the Vino-boys against him with such a poor squad. I mean who's with him? Battaglin and?

If he doesn't find alliances on the road, he may very well be royally screwed in the days to come.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Re: Nibali discussion thread

Not much convincing tone in Nibali. He says if Kruijswijk doesn't have a bad day, he will win the Giro.
He said aligning plans only works when there is weakness in the leader.

You should be really afraid then, the less talk from nibali the more you gotta be scared of him.

He'll for sure attack from super far out using his team, that's a given. It doesn't matter what he says, he's a champion. They're predictable in that sense

Yeah but even if he succeeds, I still think someone else than Nibali will profit. Nibali himself just doesn't seem to have it. I can see it happening, Nibali succeeding in getting rid of Kruijswijk, only to be demolished by Chaves for instance

 

[whittashau]

So is the general consensus that Nibs just doesn't train as hard now he is a family man? Likewise, he doesn't seem to be willing to push as much on descents since his daughter was born either.

 

[SeriousSam]

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What did Nibali do to this guy? Is he gone for good?

 

[May0maniac]

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So is the general consensus that Nibs just doesn't train as hard now he is a family man? Likewise, he doesn't seem to be willing to push as much on descents since his daughter was born either.

Nibali always had a reputation of not being the hardest worker, even back in the Liquigas days, apparently Basso always had more more self-disciplined. I remember a quote, If Basso would eat like Nibali he'd be fat. Nibali was never the guy who was super strict and disciplined durning winter, at least that's what they always said durning the Liquigas days.