Teams & Riders Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

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More details from Gazzetta, in short:

Nibali: I am optimistic. Morale is good. But the risk of not taking part in the Vuelta is there and this would complicate the road to the worlds in Innsbruck.

Dr. Magni (team doctor): There are more optimistic forecasts and others a little more real. The situation will be evaluated after the intervention. It's a quite simple intervention, but there are always risks. I hope that in a couple of weeks he can start again, but with what intensity and frequency we’ll have to see. On doing the Vuelta, I would say that chances are 50 and 50 ".

On the type of operation we also asked for the opinion of Franco Carnelli, a primary orthopedist at the Sesto San Giovanni Multimedica and for almost thirty years at Pallacanestro Olimpia Milano: “I do not know the clinical situation of Nibali, mine is an explanation about this type of intervention . The injection of cement (polymethyl methacrylate, the name of the substance) into the vertebral body has the purpose of reducing the stresses within the vertebra. The indication is for severe cases of osteoporosis or for important vertebral fractures with pain. Like all interventions, it is not harmless, since it changes the vertebra substantially and permanently. The recovery times are drastically shortened; it works immediately, but at the expense of the integrity of the column, because the biologically elastic system stiffens. In summary, the athlete can return to competitive activity much earlier, but must take into account that his column is no longer the same as before.

Slongo: There are no certainties but if he did not do this surgery, the injury is expected to heal in six weeks. Thus, when cementing the vertebra, one can hope to resume in eight to ten days. If Nibali could not be ready to take part in the Vuelta, we would have to study an alternative plan, with a training camp and then the participation in other races. The best way would be in any case that of the Vuelta, even if more 'of sacrifice', since at the beginning he certainly wouldn’t be in shape. But to have a more reliable timing, it will be necessary to wait until after the intervention.

Nibali: I'm not a doctor but after so many consultations we have considered that the road to surgery is the safest, even considering the risks in case of other crashes. Doctor Magni has consulted with several colleagues including Franco Combi (formerly Inter, ed) and Professor Dino Bramanti of Messina.

Nibali: "Pain goes at times. Sometimes it hurts in the area of the hips and continues towards the ribs and the breastbone. Other times I feel very good. For example this morning (yesterday, ed) the awakening was very good, unlike the previous two days.
 
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Red Rick said:
Seems incredibly risky for someone who's on a bike and needs to be aero all freaking day

Either way the situation is not good. While it may look simple, to me it is an extreme decision to get him to the worlds. It is what it is in the end, do everything to be ready for the last chance to get that rainbow jersey. I wonder how that person who took him down sleeps at night. Probably better than most of us.
 
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Rollthedice said:
Red Rick said:
Seems incredibly risky for someone who's on a bike and needs to be aero all freaking day

Either way the situation is not good. While it may look simple, to me it is an extreme decision to get him to the worlds. It is what it is in the end, do everything to be ready for the last chance to get that rainbow jersey. I wonder how that person who took him down sleeps at night. Probably better than most of us.
Are they even looking for the person?
 
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"Like all interventions, it is not harmless, since it changes the vertebra substantially and permanently. The recovery times are drastically shortened; it works immediately, but at the expense of the integrity of the column, because the biologically elastic system stiffens. In summary, the athlete can return to competitive activity much earlier, but must take into account that his column is no longer the same as before."

Well that is Scary! Only Vince can determine if it is worth the risk. His career is winding down and this is very probably his only opportunity to get a Rainbow. I'm sure he'll make the decision he is most comfortable with.

I try to be a kind person but that fan should be found and held to account in a harsh manner :(
 
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It sounds quite "all or nothing" kind of decision. Wonder how he feels about continuing his career especially if this fails...
 
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RAI had him on the phone today after the stage.
They asked him 4-5 questions and Nibali said that he hopes that after the surgery he will be able to go to the Vuelta to prepare for the World championship.
One journalist told him to consider to go to the world championship even if he can not make it to the Vuelta and Nibs said that will be very hard to do as he sees the Vuelta as necessary to arrive well prepared for the world since he could not train at all lately, thus if he can not recover enough to be at the Vuelta he's likely to miss the worlds too.
 
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The surgery will take place tomorrow, if all is well on Wednesday he's at home in Lugano. In 7 to 10 days he can go out on the road, prior to that at some point he will be able to pedal on stationary. So, it will be three weeks since the accident when he'll be able to ride his bike and two weeks left before start of Vuelta. This is the best case scenario.

I'd say that there are chances he'll start the Vuelta and try to ride into form. If not, we'll have time to speculate what races he could do. Have no idea how he'll react to these two plus weeks without a pedal stroke.
 
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Rollthedice said:
The surgery will take place tomorrow, if all is well on Wednesday he's at home in Lugano. In 7 to 10 days he can go out on the road, prior to that at some point he will be able to pedal on stationary. So, it will be three weeks since the accident when he'll be able to ride his bike and two weeks left before start of Vuelta. This is the best case scenario.

I'd say that there are chances he'll start the Vuelta and try to ride into form. If not, we'll have time to speculate what races he could do. Have no idea how he'll react to these two plus weeks without a pedal stroke.

Thanks for the update!
 
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Lo squalo di messina said:
http://teambahrainmerida.com/vincenzo-nibali-has-successful-surgery/

Fingers crossed he can resume training as quickly as possible.
Great news, hopefully he can can recover as fast as possible and ride the Vuelta
 
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Sounds scary. I get the feeling reading between the lines that this a risky procedure which for a non-athlete wouldn't be undertaken. A slower and more natural healing process would be less risky. Is that right?
 
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dastott said:
Sounds scary. I get the feeling reading between the lines that this a risky procedure which for a non-athlete wouldn't be undertaken. A slower and more natural healing process would be less risky. Is that right?
Yes. :eek:
 
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dastott said:
Sounds scary. I get the feeling reading between the lines that this a risky procedure which for a non-athlete wouldn't be undertaken. A slower and more natural healing process would be less risky. Is that right?

Yes I agree with you. It's likely that an athlete attempting to get his only shot at a Rainbow would take the risk, but not many others. But we all know Nibali is a risk taker. It's one of the reasons I love him!
 
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From what I understand it is not risky, but the body loses some flexibility and that can affect the position on the bike in Nibali's case. This injury takes 3/4 weeks of rest to recover, therefore there is no point for a normal person to undergo surgery.

Anyway... apparently he was already walking and refused to use a wheelchair... almost certainly he is going to be discharged tomorrow and from Thu he might start doing some exercises in the pool... turbo by the end of the week and more than a chance that next week he can be back on the road!

Fingers crossed.
 
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Valv.Piti said:
Anybody know when Contador started riding in 2014?

Interesting question, even though we are talking of totally different injuries that affects recovery and training loads in a different way. I would say that VN has a chance to start some serious training a bit earlier than AC did in 2014... anbd we all know what happened at the Vuelta. Besides Nibali's goal is not riding to win the Vuelta, but to get ready for the Worlds. He wouldn't really care if he got dropped on the first mountain finish.
 
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Alberto got injured earlier, in a Tour that started earlier. He had basically a week longer between his injury and start of the Vuelta than Nibali will.
 
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Leinster said:
Alberto got injured earlier, in a Tour that started earlier. He had basically a week longer between his injury and start of the Vuelta than Nibali will.

AC got injured on 14th, VN on 19th.

But as said before, we are comparing apples with oranges.
We are talking of two totally different type of injuries, in totally different parts of the body.

The only meaningful question is Val.Piti's one. When did AC start to ride again? And when VN will?

In the best case scenario, VN will have to start the Vuelta with only 2 weeks of training in his legs.
Around 50 days of training to the Worlds

Hopefully a good percentage of his near to top shape for the TdF carries on, despite almost 3 weeks of stop from riding.
 
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It seems that yesterday Nibali started training on turbo.
Back on the road next week.

His participation in the Vuelta at this point appears to be very likely, even though his shape would be far from his top. But we all know that his goal is the Worlds at the end of Sep, not GC in Spain. Fingers crossed.
 
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huge said:
It seems that yesterday Nibali started training on turbo.
Back on the road next week.

His participation in the Vuelta at this point appears to be very likely. Fingers crossed.
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