Teams & Riders Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

[maxmartin]

just epic

 

[maxmartin]

 

[maxmartin]

 

[Pentacycle]

Nibali:

“I think I have the same form as I had last year at the Tour, but the Tour is different from the Giro. At the Tour there were fewer possibilities. The finishes were the bottom of hills, there were two time trials totalling 110km. Here the race suits my style.”

If that Tour had this Giro's field and conditions he'd have won it... would he then have complained about the limited possibilities and the TT mileage? Nibali's racing style fits wherever the competition is weak. Food for thought and endless discussion.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

If that Tour had this Giro's field and conditions he'd have won it... would he then have complained about the limited possibilities and the TT mileage? Nibali's racing style fits wherever the competition is weak. Food for thought and endless discussion.

Boring and sobbing complainers are boring

 

[Pentacycle]

Boring and sobbing complainers are boring

Why shouldn't I complain? It's boring to do so, but it's not as dull as Nibali nowadays. He should at least win a stage, or at least act like he's trying to do so.

 

[Afrank]

Probably, but it would not be such a great stage win IMO. A solo win on a MTF, in the snow, now that would be epic. I forget about Alberto's MTT win in the 2011 edition all the time. I only remember Etna because it was epic.

In 10 years, when I think of the 2013 Giro, I want to remember the eventual winner emerging from the fog to win the stage in the snow, solo I like Visconti and I am happy he won, but it won't be what I'll remember. I'll remember this as the edition there was barely any action on the MTFs OR something big must happen on stage 19 or 20.

Can't we just wait and see what happens in the rest of the Giro before we start whining about it. Nibali has no reason to attack at this point. He didn't even need to attack yesterday but did. Maybe he will in later mountain stages. I think there is a good chance of that. Lets just wait and see how the rest of the race unfolds before we wright off the whole Giro as a bad race.

 

[Afrank]

just epic

Good photos Max. The scenery of the Tour and Vuelta can't compare to the Giro.

 

[Carols]

That acceleration was ridiculous. Everyone could follow.

It was the customary---my legs are good dig--just to tell them don't attack, I'm good

 

[Carols]

So people can be disappointed by that, right?

People get disappointed because they have unreasonable expectations....there are plenty of races within the race to enjoy if one really likes cycling

Not everything is GC. When the strongest guy has the leaders jersey they normally defend. Nibs Attacked yesterday with out really needing to and yet all some people do is whine. Go figure?

 

[SafeBet]

I knew that since Wiggo and Hesjedal abandoned I'd have to read once again the usual BS about Nibali always performing well when the field is weak.

Entering the race most people agreed this was the strongest field we've seen here in recent years. Out of the last 7 GTs, 5 have been won by riders who entered this Giro (6 if you count Scarponi). What more do you want?

 

[Miburo]

I knew that since Wiggo and Hesjedal abandoned I'd have to read once again the usual BS about Nibali always performing well when the field is weak.

Entering the race most people agreed this was the strongest field we've seen here in recent years. Out of the last 7 GTs, 5 have been won by riders who entered this Giro (6 if you count Scarponi). What more do you want?

That will always happen. You gotta face Froome and Contador in order that this talk won't happen.

 

[LaFlorecita]

If that Tour had this Giro's field and conditions he'd have won it... would he then have complained about the limited possibilities and the TT mileage? Nibali's racing style fits wherever the competition is weak. Food for thought and endless discussion.

Why shouldn't I complain? It's boring to do so, but it's not as dull as Nibali nowadays. He should at least win a stage, or at least act like he's trying to do so.

Completely agree. Not saying Nibali is a bad rider. But only when the field is weak he is by far the strongest. If he's not the strongest uphill or in the tt, he has to attack on hilly stages like in TA. Now that he's got this race in the bag he's boring as hell. A weak half-hearted attack won't change that.

 

[LaFlorecita]

It was the customary---my legs are good dig--just to tell them don't attack, I'm good

If that was a my-legs-are-good-dig, I would've attacked him for sure. Didn't seem that strong.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I knew that since Wiggo and Hesjedal abandoned I'd have to read once again the usual BS about Nibali always performing well when the field is weak.

Entering the race most people agreed this was the strongest field we've seen here in recent years. Out of the last 7 GTs, 5 have been won by riders who entered this Giro (6 if you count Scarponi). What more do you want?

Nibali himself
Scarponi
Evans
Cobo- LOL
A weak Hesjedal
A weak Wiggins
No Berto.

Yup you're right. And I agree that it seems to be a strong field on paper. But Cobo is nowhere, Wiggins and Hesjedal pulled out because of illness/injuries/whatever and Evans and Scarponi are past their prime. It's not a great field when Santambrogio and Uran are two of the three closest competitors.

 

[Fausto]

If that was a my-legs-are-good-dig, I would've attacked him for sure. Didn't seem that strong.

It's easy to say that while you are sitting at a desk.

The typical arrogance of people in this forum.

 

[Miburo]

It's easy to say that while you are sitting at a desk.

The typical arrogance of people in this forum.

Stop with that ridiculous argument. Attack the points of the poster which isn't really hard btw in this case instead of going ad hominem.

 

[Pentacycle]

I knew that since Wiggo and Hesjedal abandoned I'd have to read once again the usual BS about Nibali always performing well when the field is weak.

Entering the race most people agreed this was the strongest field we've seen here in recent years. Out of the last 7 GTs, 5 have been won by riders who entered this Giro (6 if you count Scarponi). What more do you want?

The field is not determined by palmares, it's the current form that counts. Among most pre-Giro favourites the latter is lacking. It's what could've been expected after the first week and the weather.

Credits to Nibs for dodging illnesses and bad days, but it's ruined this Giro. A shark in a small pond. One of the most attacking riders has to be dethroned by one who rarely takes risks.

 

[taiwan]

I knew that since Wiggo and Hesjedal abandoned I'd have to read once again the usual BS about Nibali always performing well when the field is weak.

Entering the race most people agreed this was the strongest field we've seen here in recent years. Out of the last 7 GTs, 5 have been won by riders who entered this Giro (6 if you count Scarponi). What more do you want?

Yup. Froome and Bert are focussing on the Tour, as the top guys tend to do. Who are the fantastic GC riders that would make the field good enough for people? The simple truth is that Nibali happens to be top boy atm.

 

[armchairclimber]

Yup. Froome and Bert are focussing on the Tour, as the top guys tend to do. Who are the fantastic GC riders that would make the field good enough for people? The simple truth is that Nibali happens to be top boy atm.

It's good that there's a tough GT like this Giro that might be won be a second rate rider. Nice that the true first rate riders give the "also rans" a chance now and again.

 

[Fausto]

Stop with that ridiculous argument. Attack the points of the poster which isn't really hard btw in this case instead of going ad hominem.

Full of yourself as usual, it's usless to deal with a pumped ego, just a wasting of time.

I bet you never ran a race. I think I'll stop here.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Full of yourself as usual, it's usless to deal with a pumped ego, just a wasting of time.

I bet you never ran a race. I think I'll stop here.

Yea, stop it. No personal attacks please.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

The only people that could possible challenge Nibbels that aint in the giro atm (or were in the giro but retired):
AC - Would probably beat him (don't know about his tt form though)
Froome - Would probably beat him
Valverde - Would challegne him, but I don't think he would have matched Nibalis tt, and he is not exactly a guy who would take minutes out of Nibali in the high mountians
Quintana - a real dark horse. Perhaps he could climb with AC and Froome, perhaps not. Perhaps he could tt like he did in Basque, perhpas not.
VDB2 - Scary
Kash - his team mate, wouldn't destoy him on purpose, but who knows

He would at worst be nr 4 this giro if Quintana is as good as we perhaps expect him to be, and ha doesnt loose time in the first week, wich would not be to unlikely.

At best he could fight for victory, like he allways do

 

[taiwan]

It's good that there's a tough GT like this Giro that might be won be a second rate rider. Nice that the true first rate riders give the "also rans" a chance now and again.

Carry on - who are these first rate guys who would won if they showed up?

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Carry on - who are these first rate guys who would won if they showed up?

By some people definitions there are only 2 first rate riders for gc: Froome and AC, and guess what Nibali has beaten both of them this year.