Teams & Riders Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

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maltiv

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Parrulo said:
It will be hard as he has to drop everyone so he will have to use the longer climb and hold his lead for the rest of the course.

But he is certainly looking like a nice bet.
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The problem is that when Nibali attacks everyone will be on his wheel immediately since he's such a big favourite. See Cancellara in 2009.

I think we'll have a surprise winner instead, someone who gets away while the big favourites are watching each other.
 
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maltiv said:
The problem is that when Nibali attacks everyone will be on his wheel immediately since he's such a big favourite. See Cancellara in 2009.

I think we'll have a surprise winner instead, someone who gets away while the big favourites are watching each other.
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Vai Il Killer _O_
 
Parrulo

Parrulo

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maltiv said:
The problem is that when Nibali attacks everyone will be on his wheel immediately since he's such a big favourite. See Cancellara in 2009.

I think we'll have a surprise winner instead, someone who gets away while the big favourites are watching each other.
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Rui Costa it is then :cool:
 
Parrulo

Parrulo

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Netserk said:
This isn't a 200km race ;)
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I was joking with my post. But being serious for a bit now, did you even watch Liege? He was on the group that went away on La redoute, First to attack on the climb that replaced Roche aux Faucons and still finished 9th being second after the guys that missed the group that went away on Saint Nicolas.

Go take a look at the results and see where the people that went away with him La Redoute or the other guys that attacked on the new climb finished compared to him and then tell me it wasn't a great performance.
 
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Pippo_San

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maltiv said:
The problem is that when Nibali attacks everyone will be on his wheel immediately since he's such a big favourite. See Cancellara in 2009.

I think we'll have a surprise winner instead, someone who gets away while the big favourites are watching each other.
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If he goes on winning like this, Visconti could be a nice card to play! :cool:
 
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Vino attacks everyone said:
Not a Kazakh, but the first year I really followed the sport was in 03, and in PN when Kivilev died and Vino anniliated everyone in his memory sealed the deal for me. After that you can't disilike the most aggressive rider out there. + ofc the fact that he was not the best tter, not the best climber, not the best classic rider, but he still won a GT in an awesome way (watch Vuelta 06 if you have not already), the most magnificent tt in recent history (tour 07) LBL, agr multiple times, the freakin CHamps elysees and more 1 week stage races than I can count. And he won these races by gutsy attacking suddenly at any time everywhere.

And yes, cycling for me is like fotball/soccer is for others, I like some players but it is the team for me all the way baby :cool: (because of Vino ofc)
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I agree he is the most gutsy rider to win Olympic gold is epic in your last year it's a shame he could never win a Giro or Tdf though.
 
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I agree Parullo Costa has a chance i think it will be hard though for him if it is raced real fast on the climbs could he respond? in your opinion. Anyway back on topic Nibali is indeed looking good but to talk of Wchamps just yet is waay too premature what if he wins Vuelta in a demanding course, im almost sure if he is in a good pos after 1 wk he will keep trying. I no he wont just train for worlds
 
SafeBet

SafeBet

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LaFlorecita said:
But is the field weak or not weak? That's the question. I guess it depends on the situation. In this case, I bet the field isn't weak.
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I've already expressed my opinion on this but I think Carols said it better.
You don't judge a field on the final GC. You judge it at the beginning of the race. And with Wiggo, Hesjedal, Evans, Samu and Scarponi this couldn't be considered a weak field.
 
LaFlorecita

LaFlorecita

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SafeBet said:
I've already expressed my opinion on this but I think Carols said it better.
You don't judge a field on the final GC. You judge it at the beginning of the race. And with Wiggo, Hesjedal, Evans, Samu and Scarponi this couldn't be considered a weak field.
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What? That's ridiculous. You judge it during the race. Wiggins and Hesjedal pulled out halfway. Evans, Samu and Scarponi are all mediocre and ready to retire. Which means that this field is actually not great at all.

Iow, Nibali didn't actually "beat" Hesjedal or Wiggins, or Evans, Samu and Scarponi at their best. So this field cannot be considered strong.

Let me give an example. If, say, Richie Porte enters the Giro next year. And Wiggins, Contador, Nibali, Froome, Evans, Scarponi, Basso, Andy Schleck all start. BUT they all DNF stage 1 because of a big crash. Porte wins the Giro comfortably because there are no opponents left. Did he beat a strong field? No because he didn't beat them.
 
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When you win a gt with such ease, the quality of the contestants is not so important.Nibali is currently leading athlete level.il rest is boredom.
 
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Parrulo said:
I was joking with my post. But being serious for a bit now, did you even watch Liege? He was on the group that went away on La redoute, First to attack on the climb that replaced Roche aux Faucons and still finished 9th being second after the guys that missed the group that went away on Saint Nicolas.

Go take a look at the results and see where the people that went away with him La Redoute or the other guys that attacked on the new climb finished compared to him and then tell me it wasn't a great performance.
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He should have riden with that group...But no valverde wanted another podium place :rolleyes:
 
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Wiggo wouldn't have retired from the Giro is he had gotten Pink at the end of the ITT imo. I feel Nibali made Wiggo give-in to his problems by making him doubt himself and his "great numbers". Whereas if Bradley had picked up pink he would have ridden with more determination and fortitude than he otherwise had shown before his departure.

Basically, Wiggo could have ridden through being sick if he had felt things were going well.

As for the wider picture, I think the only riders who are not at the Giro who would be challenging Vincenzo right now are Froome and Contador anyway.
 
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number0

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whittashau said:
Wiggo wouldn't have retired from the Giro is he had gotten Pink at the end of the ITT imo. I feel Nibali made Wiggo give-in to his problems by making him doubt himself and his "great numbers". Whereas if Bradley had picked up pink he would have ridden with more determination and fortitude than he otherwise had shown before his departure.

Basically, Wiggo could have ridden through being sick if he had felt things were going well.

As for the wider picture, I think the only riders who are not at the Giro who would be challenging Vincenzo right now are Froome and Contador anyway.
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perfect...;)
 
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LaFlorecita said:
No, it's just that some people seem to change their opinion depending on what makes Nibali come out best.
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And some people will only contribute Nibali's success to either luck or weak field or a combination of both, nothing else. LOL
 
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The strength of this Giro can be shown by the person who is currently second. A fading star who has admitted his main goal in the race is to train for the Tour.

This is not Nibali's problem. He beat everyone handsomely, and is not likely to risk much more simply to extend his lead. Sadly for him however much of the lustre has been removed because Wiggins and Hesjedal were unable to make a challenge. Nibali didn't beat them, they didn't turn up.
 
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Netserk said:
No doubt that a top-form Wiggo would've been pwned by Nibbles.
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Nibbles right now has shown himself to be the best GT rider in 2013. Wiggins could not handle this Giro. If it was so lame he should have remained and won it! It does not matter what he has done in the past at this moment. In July 2012, Bradley was the best. His GT win is not judged mediocre because Contador and Andy Schleck could not make it for various reasons.

In July we will see how things change. Nothing is forever or stays the same. Nibs has improved while others have lost their best form. The best man on the day wins and Vincenzo did it in style :p Vino told Vincenzo to go show everyone who is boss/il Padrone :D But it isn't quite over yet...


The point is, a rider can only win with the field that shows up and preforms. IMO the win should not be judged less than it is based on who shows up or not, who failed to finish, crashed, etc. All 3 GT's have their distinct characteristics. I happen to like the Giro best - but I think most fans like TdF. Defintely there is a history of more prestige given to TdF. (Oh my, my neck is on chopping block now) :eek:
 
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