Teams & Riders Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

[LaFlorecita]

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uhhhh so apparently Nibali avoids jail time for unpaid tax
http://www.cicloweb.it/news/2015/03/22/ ... -ne-restit

No Flo in Italy nobody goes to jail for tax evasion and if you are rich you just cut a deal and pay a percentage of what you actually owe and everyone lives happily ever after.

Cipollini and Bettini were in the same boat (residences in Monaco), as was Valentino Rossi (residence in London).

Oh, I'm sure you're right. I'm just going by what I'm reading in the media - that if he hadn't made a deal he would have had to serve 6 months in jail.

 

[ICEROCK]

SO WHAT? He did not even finish MSR last year. What a big deal?

 

[rhubroma]

Re: Nibali discussion thread

uhhhh so apparently Nibali avoids jail time for unpaid tax
http://www.cicloweb.it/news/2015/03/22/ ... -ne-restit

No Flo in Italy nobody goes to jail for tax evasion and if you are rich you just cut a deal and pay a percentage of what you actually owe and everyone lives happily ever after.

Cipollini and Bettini were in the same boat (residences in Monaco), as was Valentino Rossi (residence in London).

Oh, I'm sure you're right. I'm just going by what I'm reading in the media - that if he hadn't made a deal he would have had to serve 6 months in jail.

The thing is the deal is a foregone conclusion. I mean it isn't as if you go to jail and then have to pay whatever you owe too. In fact the deal is that you don't have to pay everything you owe, in exchange for impunity.

 

[SeriousSam]

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Last year's Tour winner getting out-climbed by a sprinting specialist is just embarrassing, even if Nibali's new plan of racing seems to be Armstrong esque super peaks.

 

[rhubroma]

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Last year's Tour winner getting out-climbed by a sprinting specialist is just embarrassing, even if Nibali's new plan of racing seems to be Armstrong esque super peaks.

That he is Italian is even more problematic. It would have been better for him this year to have skipped Strada Bianca and MSR.

 

[Electress]

I'm pretty sad about Nibali's showing. It isn't that I expected a great deal, but he's pretty far off decent, and like many folks here, it'd be nice to have a little bit more of the old Nibali. I get he wants to defend the Tour title, but I'm not sure being really shite the rest of the time is a good trade, frankly.

He's one of my favourite riders. I'm really disappointed.

 

[luckyboy]

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Last year's Tour winner getting out-climbed by a sprinting specialist is just embarrassing, even if Nibali's new plan of racing seems to be Armstrong esque super peaks.

What's the point of adding Pompeiana when Nibali is just going to do this now. Just keep it how it is so Bonifazio will be the next Italian winner.

 

[sir fly]

I doubt he planned to ride MSR like this.
Maybe he had some crisis. Even with low ambitions he shouldn't have been where he was on Sunday.

 

[SafeBet]

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People called him finished last year. Pathetic cynics everywhere already proven wrong.
Keep on underestimating the guy.
Keep on being pathetics.

Haters gonna hate

I'm not underestimating him. I'm actually overestimating him, cause I keep believing he can be an all year round great rider, one that can podium monuments and win important one week races, one that can attack on hills and descents and gravel and snow.

A rider he clearly isn't anymore.

 

[Rollthedice]

YOU TALKIN' TO ME?

 

[Singer01]

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People called him finished last year. Pathetic cynics everywhere already proven wrong.
Keep on underestimating the guy.
Keep on being pathetics.

Haters gonna hate

I'm not underestimating him. I'm actually overestimating him, cause I keep believing he can be an all year round great rider, one that can podium monuments and win important one week races, one that can attack on hills and descents and gravel and snow.

A rider he clearly isn't anymore.

the only way you get that rider back is if he is in top form in this years tour, and still gets his a$$ handed to him.

 

[cineteq]

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I'm pretty sad about Nibali's showing. It isn't that I expected a great deal, but he's pretty far off decent, and like many folks here, it'd be nice to have a little bit more of the old Nibali.

Was he aiming to win MSR? No. Was he aiming to finish MSR? Probably yes. I'd be dissapointed if Nibali keeps doing this year after year, in the meantime this is not the case.

 

[Escarabajo]

I don't read anything from Nibali's performance in MSR at all. He knew that he had no chance in the sprint anyway. Didn't he say before the race that he was dissapointed with the race profile. For him was a race to put some miles probably. Nothing to see here. Keep walking.

 

[Miburo]

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I'm pretty sad about Nibali's showing. It isn't that I expected a great deal, but he's pretty far off decent, and like many folks here, it'd be nice to have a little bit more of the old Nibali.

Was he aiming to win MSR? No. Was he aiming to finish MSR? Probably yes. I'd be dissapointed if Nibali keeps doing this year after year, in the meantime this is not the case.

People are making too much a fuss on this.

Nibali doesn't have the talent of contador, quintana or froome. He only has 1 superpeak in a season and only that peak can possible match these guys so he'll have to sacrifice the rest.

2011: the giro cost him a good vuelta, was terrible there.
2012: good overall year but in the tour wiggins was the better climber, nuff said.
2013: once again not the same guy he was in the giro than that he was in the vuelta.
2014: all tour, nothing else
2015: some procedure

 

[rhubroma]

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I don't read anything from Nibali's performance in MSR at all. He knew that he had no chance in the sprint anyway. Didn't he say before the race that he was dissapointed with the race profile. For him was a race to put some miles probably. Nothing to see here. Keep walking.

No, he's Italian and if he was dropped on the Poggio his form is terrible and/or he has too many thoughts in his head. When the mind isn't working, the body can't either. Just out of pride, even if he couldn't win, normally Nibali would attack in any case either on the Cipressa or Poggio.

It is early, but he needs to get his and his teams problems straightened out or else he's not gonna be competitive at the Tour and risks not finishing.

 

[SafeBet]

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Nibali doesn't have the talent of contador, quintana or froome. He only has 1 superpeak in a season and only that peak can possible match these guys so he'll have to sacrifice the rest.

2011: the giro cost him a good vuelta, was terrible there.
2012: good overall year but in the tour wiggins was the better climber, nuff said.
2013: once again not the same guy he was in the giro than that he was in the vuelta.
2014: all tour, nothing else
2015: some procedure

Utter BS.

2010 (curious that you left it out): wins San Luis in January, good in Tirreno, third in the Giro, wins Tour de Slovenie in June, Melinda in August, wins Vuelta, fifth in Emilia and Lomabrdia in October. Competitive throughout the season.
2011: good in Tirreno, top10 in Sanremo, third in the Giro, seventh in the Vuelta. So so year, I'll give you that. But still relatively competitive all season long.
2012: 4th in San Luis, second in Oman, wins Tirreno, podiums Sanremo, top10 FW, almost wins LBL, podiums Tour, wins Padania, decent in WC and Lombardia. Competitive throughout the season.
2013: top10 in San Luis and Oman, wins Tirreno, wins Trentino, wins Giro, second in the Vuelta, 4th in the WC (probably strongest rider in the race. Competitive throughout the season.

Compared to:

2014: no top10 until May, then in a 3 months span: 5th in Romandie, 7th in the Dauphiné, wins Nationals, wins Tour. Then nothing rest of the season.
2015: no top10 two months into the season.

 

[SafeBet]

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It is early, but he needs to get his and his teams problems straightened out or else he's not gonna be competitive at the Tour and risks not finishing.

He can peak like an angel for the Tour and still come short of the podium.
It's the whole approach that doesn't make sense.

 

[Jspear]

Don't worry. He'll miss the podium at this years Tour and that will snap him back into reality. In 2016 we'll see the old Nibali racing well through the whole season.

 

[Red Rick]

It's not like a 6month jail sentence would change anything this season apart from a certain overrated farce in the land of the frenchies

 

[jens_attacks]

the guy strikes me as one of who knows what he's doing.
he improved in 2013 and massively in 2014 tour. maybe he's confident enough that he will beat all of the monsters out there.

 

[DBotero]

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the guy strikes me as one of who knows what he's doing.
he improved in 2013 and massively in 2014 tour. maybe he's confident enough that he will beat all of the monsters out there.

Since his climbing speeds in TDF 2014 were very similar with those of Froome in TDF 2013,if he can achieve that level anything is possible.

 

[Rollthedice]

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the guy strikes me as one of who knows what he's doing.
he improved in 2013 and massively in 2014 tour. maybe he's confident enough that he will beat all of the monsters out there.

Since his climbing speeds in TDF 2014 were very similar with those of Froome in TDF 2013,if he can achieve that level anything is possible.

By using Dr. Ferrari’s formula:

Froome 5.96 W/kg on 5 major climbs in 2013 Tour.
Nibali 5.99 W/kg on 5 major climbs in 2014 Tour.

Average duration of 5 climbs: 35 min (both 2013 and 2014)

Question is, will Astana be allowed to race Le Tour?

 

[huge]

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I don't read anything from Nibali's performance in MSR at all. He knew that he had no chance in the sprint anyway. Didn't he say before the race that he was dissapointed with the race profile. For him was a race to put some miles probably. Nothing to see here. Keep walking.

After finishing TA, Nibali was uncertain whether or not to take part in MSR due to his lack of form and far from ideal race profile for him. I guess at the end he decided to participate because he didn't want to disappoint the Italian organizers and the Italian fans.
It was no more than a long training day for him.

What I'm wondering is whether or not his current form (or lack of) is in accordance with his training plans?
I personally believe that, to his own disappointment, he found out that he is not where he is supposed to be.
Either because something is wrong with the plans or because it'll take a bit longer, we will see soon.

 

[ICEROCK]

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I don't read anything from Nibali's performance in MSR at all. He knew that he had no chance in the sprint anyway. Didn't he say before the race that he was dissapointed with the race profile. For him was a race to put some miles probably. Nothing to see here. Keep walking.

After finishing TA, Nibali was uncertain whether or not to take part in MSR due to his lack of form and far from ideal race profile for him. I guess at the end he decided to participate because he didn't want to disappoint the Italian organizers and the Italian fans.
It was no more than a long training day for him.

What I'm wondering is whether or not his current form (or lack of) is in accordance with his training plans?
I personally believe that, to his own disappointment, he found out that he is not where he is supposed to be.
Either because something is wrong with the plans or because it'll take a bit longer, we will see soon.

He said similar things last year. Of course it is planned. If anything he is thinner than last year at this time of year. Be prepared for a monster Nibali in the Tour. Those riders are bragging multiple peaking are not too hot themselves. Look at where Contodar is!

 

[Jspear]

Has he done any altitude training yet?