Teams & Riders Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

[Rollthedice]

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I'm here to maybe win a stage, or see GC but also to find answers on where my level is. This is good for me, my team, my trainer, for everyone. We've showed today that we've had strength in the time trial.

"To think about my contenders I think that I would put Quintana, Froome, and Contador at the same level but I'm not afraid of anybody. The level at the Tour will be very high. Take the Giro, for example, where we saw Contador win but he didn't win a single stage."

You'll be pleased to learn that cyclingnews used the word "tranquilo" in their characterisation of these resposes.

Not quite sure what he means with that last sentence. What is that supposed to be an example of, how high the level will be at the Tour? Que?

But what do you think he means by this quote which CN didn't mention:

"Quintana? Where is he? I've got no news of him.It's not a criticizing, It's a fact."

From where does that last quote originate?

Original: "I rivali li rispetto e li metto tutti sullo stesso piano. Quello di cui so di meno è Quintana? Dov'è? Non ho notizie di lui. Non è una critica, è un fatto".

Gazzetta dello sport.

 

[ILovecycling]

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I'm here to maybe win a stage, or see GC but also to find answers on where my level is. This is good for me, my team, my trainer, for everyone. We've showed today that we've had strength in the time trial.

"To think about my contenders I think that I would put Quintana, Froome, and Contador at the same level but I'm not afraid of anybody. The level at the Tour will be very high. Take the Giro, for example, where we saw Contador win but he didn't win a single stage."

You'll be pleased to learn that cyclingnews used the word "tranquilo" in their characterisation of these resposes.

Not quite sure what he means with that last sentence. What is that supposed to be an example of, how high the level will be at the Tour? Que?

But what do you think he means by this quote which CN didn't mention:

"Quintana? Where is he? I've got no news of him.It's not a criticizing, It's a fact."

From where does that last quote originate?

Original: "I rivali li rispetto e li metto tutti sullo stesso piano. Quello di cui so di meno è Quintana? Dov'è? Non ho notizie di lui. Non è una critica, è un fatto".

Gazzetta dello sport.

Has Nibali really said that?

 

[jalep]

*waves to Carols and Electress*

Just read the article, I like what Nibs says about being defending champion especially this part: "...but winning the Tour de France is not an obsession for me because obsession makes you feel tired."

So true. Hope he can really be tranquillo, not obsess and enjoy the honor and pressure. That's the old Nibali I love watching ride a bike - no fear, win or lose. Can't wait to watch this tour unfold.

And love his compliments to how Contador won the Giro: "The Giro didn't teach me anything new about him that I didn't already know. He got stronger after the first week and in the third week he was looking around and administrating who was going to attack."

He respects Contador and knows him well.

I don't read anything negative into what he said about Quintana's whereabouts. He doesn't know where he is. Every single word he says the media will look to scrutinize and twist into something if possible - so he had to qualify a perfectly natural question by saying it's not a criticism.

 

[jayseattle]

Nibali: Winning another Tour de France is not an obsession
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/nibali-winning-another-tour-de-france-is-not-an-obsession

Translation: I will not win the tour de france this year.

 

[damian13ster]

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*waves to Carols and Electress*

Just read the article, I like what Nibs says about being defending champion especially this part: "...but winning the Tour de France is not an obsession for me because obsession makes you feel tired."

So true. Hope he can really be tranquillo, not obsess and enjoy the honor and pressure. That's the old Nibali I love watching ride a bike - no fear, win or lose. Can't wait to watch this tour unfold.

And love his compliments to how Contador won the Giro: "The Giro didn't teach me anything new about him that I didn't already know. He got stronger after the first week and in the third week he was looking around and administrating who was going to attack."

He respects Contador and knows him well.

I don't read anything negative into what he said about Quintana's whereabouts. He doesn't know where he is. Every single word he says the media will look to scrutinize and twist into something if possible - so he had to qualify a perfectly natural question by saying it's not a criticism.

He seems to be in a good mental shape.
I thought it was a bit of a shot at Contador, saying that he didn't even win a single stage.
He also said that all 3 of his rivals are at the same level which is not singling or praising anyone out.

 

[Angliru]

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*waves to Carols and Electress*

Just read the article, I like what Nibs says about being defending champion especially this part: "...but winning the Tour de France is not an obsession for me because obsession makes you feel tired."

So true. Hope he can really be tranquillo, not obsess and enjoy the honor and pressure. That's the old Nibali I love watching ride a bike - no fear, win or lose. Can't wait to watch this tour unfold.

And love his compliments to how Contador won the Giro: "The Giro didn't teach me anything new about him that I didn't already know. He got stronger after the first week and in the third week he was looking around and administrating who was going to attack."

He respects Contador and knows him well.

I don't read anything negative into what he said about Quintana's whereabouts. He doesn't know where he is. Every single word he says the media will look to scrutinize and twist into something if possible - so he had to qualify a perfectly natural question by saying it's not a criticism.

I read it as his saying Quintana hasn't shown him anything this year, which is odd considering Quintana won a major stage race in his country this year. It seems a bit contradictory for him to say that he's not "obsessed" with the Tour but his season shows that there is no other event up to this point in the season that even warrants him making an effort to win or being fit enough to do so. He may not be obsessed with the Tour but he's completely altered his racing seasons the past two years where nothing else matters but the Tour. It worked for him last year which is fine. We won't get into the story behind that success. In the past 2 years he has no real results to speak of (with the exception of his Italian national championship) other than the Tour. He's become the Italian version of a certain shamed rider. Add me to the list of folk that misses the old Vincenzo. Here's hoping that his statements about the Tour will lead to him making himself a factor in the future at other major races on the calendar.

 

[damian13ster]

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I read it as his saying Quintana hasn't shown him anything this year, which is odd considering Quintana won a major stage race in his country this year. It seems a bit contradictory for him to say that he's not "obsessed" with the Tour but his season shows that there is no other event up to this point in the season that even warrants him making an effort to win or being fit enough to do so. He may not be obsessed with the Tour but he's completely altered his racing seasons the past two years where nothing else matters but the Tour. It worked for him last year which is fine. We won't get into the story behind that success. In the past 2 years he has no real results to speak of (with the exception of his Italian national championship) other than the Tour. He's become the Italian version of a certain shamed rider. Add me to the list of folk that misses the old Vincenzo. Here's hoping that his statements about the Tour will lead to him making himself a factor in the future at other major races on the calendar.

Giro 2013? 2nd in Vuelta 2013? The most successful GT rider in last 2 years. No clue what you are talking about.
Nevertheless, if he doesn't win the Tour then there are lots of other races to target post July

 

[ILovecycling]

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I read it as his saying Quintana hasn't shown him anything this year, which is odd considering Quintana won a major stage race in his country this year. It seems a bit contradictory for him to say that he's not "obsessed" with the Tour but his season shows that there is no other event up to this point in the season that even warrants him making an effort to win or being fit enough to do so. He may not be obsessed with the Tour but he's completely altered his racing seasons the past two years where nothing else matters but the Tour. It worked for him last year which is fine. We won't get into the story behind that success. In the past 2 years he has no real results to speak of (with the exception of his Italian national championship) other than the Tour. He's become the Italian version of a certain shamed rider. Add me to the list of folk that misses the old Vincenzo. Here's hoping that his statements about the Tour will lead to him making himself a factor in the future at other major races on the calendar.

Giro 2013? 2nd in Vuelta 2013? The most successful GT rider in last 2 years. No clue what you are talking about.
Nevertheless, if he doesn't win the Tour then there are lots of other races to target post July

He obviously meant 2014 and 2015, dont be a fool, everybody would understand that post.

 

[Angliru]

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I read it as his saying Quintana hasn't shown him anything this year, which is odd considering Quintana won a major stage race in his country this year. It seems a bit contradictory for him to say that he's not "obsessed" with the Tour but his season shows that there is no other event up to this point in the season that even warrants him making an effort to win or being fit enough to do so. He may not be obsessed with the Tour but he's completely altered his racing seasons the past two years where nothing else matters but the Tour. It worked for him last year which is fine. We won't get into the story behind that success. In the past 2 years he has no real results to speak of (with the exception of his Italian national championship) other than the Tour. He's become the Italian version of a certain shamed rider. Add me to the list of folk that misses the old Vincenzo. Here's hoping that his statements about the Tour will lead to him making himself a factor in the future at other major races on the calendar.

Giro 2013? 2nd in Vuelta 2013? The most successful GT rider in last 2 years. No clue what you are talking about.
Nevertheless, if he doesn't win the Tour then there are lots of other races to target post July

Are you creating your own version of my post just so you have a reason to insult me? Either you have comprehension issues or you just like to create drama where there is none.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Are you creating your own version of my post just so you have a reason to insult me? Either you have comprehension issues or you just like to create drama where there is none.

Just overly defensive when it comes to precious Nibbles. I think. Especially when the criticism comes from a Contador fan.

 

[hfer07]

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Nibali: Winning another Tour de France is not an obsession
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/nibali-winning-another-tour-de-france-is-not-an-obsession

Translation: I will not win the tour de france this year.

I'm only going to state this: IF Contador does not win this Tour, He will make Froome lose it while opening the possibility for either Nibbs or Quitana to win it. I'm confident He'll be in good shape and ready for the challenge

 

[Miburo]

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I read it as his saying Quintana hasn't shown him anything this year, which is odd considering Quintana won a major stage race in his country this year. It seems a bit contradictory for him to say that he's not "obsessed" with the Tour but his season shows that there is no other event up to this point in the season that even warrants him making an effort to win or being fit enough to do so. He may not be obsessed with the Tour but he's completely altered his racing seasons the past two years where nothing else matters but the Tour. It worked for him last year which is fine. We won't get into the story behind that success. In the past 2 years he has no real results to speak of (with the exception of his Italian national championship) other than the Tour. He's become the Italian version of a certain shamed rider. Add me to the list of folk that misses the old Vincenzo. Here's hoping that his statements about the Tour will lead to him making himself a factor in the future at other major races on the calendar.

Giro 2013? 2nd in Vuelta 2013? The most successful GT rider in last 2 years. No clue what you are talking about.
Nevertheless, if he doesn't win the Tour then there are lots of other races to target post July

Hey guys Contador is the most succesful GT rider of the last 6 months, stupid logic.

Who did he beat in the giro and the tour? Yea

Can't even beat a 40year old.

 

[damian13ster]

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I read it as his saying Quintana hasn't shown him anything this year, which is odd considering Quintana won a major stage race in his country this year. It seems a bit contradictory for him to say that he's not "obsessed" with the Tour but his season shows that there is no other event up to this point in the season that even warrants him making an effort to win or being fit enough to do so. He may not be obsessed with the Tour but he's completely altered his racing seasons the past two years where nothing else matters but the Tour. It worked for him last year which is fine. We won't get into the story behind that success. In the past 2 years he has no real results to speak of (with the exception of his Italian national championship) other than the Tour. He's become the Italian version of a certain shamed rider. Add me to the list of folk that misses the old Vincenzo. Here's hoping that his statements about the Tour will lead to him making himself a factor in the future at other major races on the calendar.

Giro 2013? 2nd in Vuelta 2013? The most successful GT rider in last 2 years. No clue what you are talking about.
Nevertheless, if he doesn't win the Tour then there are lots of other races to target post July

Are you creating your own version of my post just so you have a reason to insult me? Either you have comprehension issues or you just like to create drama where there is none.

Not sure what do you mean? Doesn't past 2 years mean past two seasons when it comes to cyclists? Or do you mean since June 6th 2013, which still makes him the most successful GT rider in this time period. (or the GT rider with most successes if some want to argue about semantics)

 

[jalep]

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*waves to Carols and Electress*

Just read the article, I like what Nibs says about being defending champion especially this part: "...but winning the Tour de France is not an obsession for me because obsession makes you feel tired."

So true. Hope he can really be tranquillo, not obsess and enjoy the honor and pressure. That's the old Nibali I love watching ride a bike - no fear, win or lose. Can't wait to watch this tour unfold.

And love his compliments to how Contador won the Giro: "The Giro didn't teach me anything new about him that I didn't already know. He got stronger after the first week and in the third week he was looking around and administrating who was going to attack."

He respects Contador and knows him well.

I don't read anything negative into what he said about Quintana's whereabouts. He doesn't know where he is. Every single word he says the media will look to scrutinize and twist into something if possible - so he had to qualify a perfectly natural question by saying it's not a criticism.

He seems to be in a good mental shape.
I thought it was a bit of a shot at Contador, saying that he didn't even win a single stage.
He also said that all 3 of his rivals are at the same level which is not singling or praising anyone out.

He does seem in good mental shape. ( I don't agree with jayseattles translation). He isn't saying he's not racing to win TdF by saying he's learned from experience (winning a few GT's) that it is less draining to not be obsessed with the idea, not to get ahead of oneself, conserve mental energy in favor of taking the approach of remaining in the moment. Take it day by day and do what you can to find ways to maximize your chances along the way.

As to his comment about Contador not winning a stage at the Giro, you might be right about the shot. But even if that's the case, don't you think Nibali has to understand that Contador has tried a Giro-Tour before and Nibs possibly can't help but notice that Contador is being efficient, as opposed to 2011. lol, that might be why the little dig, sure. Or he's just stating another, "Non e una critica, e una fatto." Nibali doesn't underestimate Contador's ability and has said himself that: if anyone can do the Giro-Tour, it's Contador. He doesn't need to repeat that statement right now.

I'd like to watch the interview. Not that my Italian is close to fluent - but you can tell so much more by body language, facial expression, voice inflection. Reading the words on a page isn't the same. Stating that his main rivals are at the same level is simply a neutral statement, you are right.

All in all, very happy to hear from him

 

[Miburo]

Froome's tour 2013 victory is rated way higher than both of nibali's last GT wins.

Sorry but beating pinot and uran ain't something to be proud of.

 

[damian13ster]

Who did Froome beat in TdF 2013? Off-shape Contador and a guy whose only GT victory is by barely beating Uran?

 

[jmdirt]

+++++This: "...average Joe wants to see the big guns race against one another in multiple races throughout the year when they are really trying to win."

 

[Miburo]

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Who did Froome beat in TdF 2013? Off-shape Contador and a guy whose only GT victory is by barely beating Uran?

He beated the best GT riders, purito and piti were in insane shape. What did nibali beat? Scrubs.

 

[jalep]

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Froome's tour 2013 victory is rated way higher than both of nibali's last GT wins.

Sorry but beating pinot and uran ain't something to be proud of.

lol, would not expect anything different from you

lets see...I think I used the ignore feature for you on CN due to you flogging a dead horse with your non-stop anti-Nibali rhetoric. And you are entitled to your opinion but it really is the same stuff over and over...so...carry on. Ignore you I will

 

[damian13ster]

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Who did Froome beat in TdF 2013? Off-shape Contador and a guy whose only GT victory is by barely beating Uran?

He beated the best GT riders, purito and piti were in insane shape. What did nibali beat? Scrubs.

Ok sir, I am done talking with you. You clearly know nothing about the sport and can't appreciate athletes taking part in it.
Btw, food for thought: rider's shape is only visible relative to his rivals, or by pure performance indicators such as power output and climbing times. Those from 2014 were at really high levels.

 

[Miburo]

It's not an opinion, it's a fact. Someone said nibali is the most succesful GT rider of the last year and i pointed out the competition he beat.

Isn't that a fair argument?

 

[Mr.White]

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Froome's tour 2013 victory is rated way higher than both of nibali's last GT wins.

Sorry but beating pinot and uran ain't something to be proud of.

Maybe by you, in reality Tour victory is a Tour victory

 

[damian13ster]

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It's not an opinion, it's a fact. Someone said nibali is the most succesful GT rider of the last year and i pointed out the competition he beat.

Isn't that a fair argument?

No, because competition in other GTs last year was weaker.
Giro competition wasn't very good and Vuelta even worse with only serious contender other than winner is injured, yo-yoing Froome.
The best riders were at the start of the Tour, just because they were eliminated by crashing themselves (would be nice to know how to stay on a bike instead of crashing without other riders being involved) doesn't mean victory counts any less.

But this is only if you really want to compare competitions. For me it is like Mr.White said, Tour victory is a Tour victory

 

[jalep]

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I read it as his saying Quintana hasn't shown him anything this year, which is odd considering Quintana won a major stage race in his country this year. It seems a bit contradictory for him to say that he's not "obsessed" with the Tour but his season shows that there is no other event up to this point in the season that even warrants him making an effort to win or being fit enough to do so. He may not be obsessed with the Tour but he's completely altered his racing seasons the past two years where nothing else matters but the Tour. It worked for him last year which is fine. We won't get into the story behind that success. In the past 2 years he has no real results to speak of (with the exception of his Italian national championship) other than the Tour. He's become the Italian version of a certain shamed rider. Add me to the list of folk that misses the old Vincenzo. Here's hoping that his statements about the Tour will lead to him making himself a factor in the future at other major races on the calendar.

Giro 2013? 2nd in Vuelta 2013? The most successful GT rider in last 2 years. No clue what you are talking about.
Nevertheless, if he doesn't win the Tour then there are lots of other races to target post July

Have no clue either what Angrilu is talking about, apart from a consternation about Nibali having to focus on the Tour. That is his job. Do I miss Nibali of Liquigas? yes.

Angrilu, basically you have your opinion. I respect you as a knowledgeable poster but overall I do not usually agree with your posts when you are on about Vincenzo Nibali - I read you, but simply think it's not worth discussing Nibali with you. Contador, sure. Nibali, no. Speaking respectfully.

 

[ILovecycling]

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Who did Froome beat in TdF 2013? Off-shape Contador and a guy whose only GT victory is by barely beating Uran?

yea and by Stelvio 'gate'! Omg he should be stripped of that win
you are too much ridiculous --- onto ignore.(CarolS philosophy )