Teams & Riders Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

[cineteq]

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You gotta love these arrogant posters. What does his writing has to do with anything? Knock yourself off that high pedestal brother!

It has a lot to do with basic understanding of his texts.
Since some posters here had trouble interpreting his comments and were wondering if there were mistakes in the translation, I offered my point of view on the matter. I don't want to make fun of Nibali, but he's hard to understand at times. Ask any other italian native speaker here, his grammar and syntax are terrible. Which is perfectly fair, he's a pro rider, not an author, and he will probably get a goot ghost writer once he decides it's time for an autobiography.

What did you misunderstand? What was not clear?

 

[King Boonen]

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I did notice he used a lot of gratuitous exclamation marks, but that's about as much as my knowledge of Italian permits.

From the several Italians I can call friends I though that was pretty normal based on how they speak...

 

[Rollthedice]

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You gotta love these arrogant posters. What does his writing has to do with anything? Knock yourself off that high pedestal brother!

It has a lot to do with basic understanding of his texts.
Since some posters here had trouble interpreting his comments and were wondering if there were mistakes in the translation, I offered my point of view on the matter. I don't want to make fun of Nibali, but he's hard to understand at times. Ask any other italian native speaker here, his grammar and syntax are terrible. Which is perfectly fair, he's a pro rider, not an author, and he will probably get a goot ghost writer once he decides it's time for an autobiography.

He already has one, Di furore e lealtà. La mia vita raccontata a Enrico Brizzi.

 

[IndianCyclist]

Is it the beginning of the end for Nibali?

 

[Pricey_sky]

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Is it the beginning of the end for Nibali?

He's doing himself no favours with his comments over the last couple of days, seems to be making more enemies by the day. Purito the next in his firing line!

 

[SafeBet]

Words can't end a pro career. He just needs to train better than he did in the past year.

 

[Arredondo]

Nibali is just a jerk. Purito and he were good friends, but now Vincenzo is just starting to be a loner.

The Nibali of the past is long way gone.

 

[No_Balls]

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He is digging himself deeper for every time he opens his piece.

Hinting on a UCI orchestrated conspiracy:

Nibali also talked about the tension within the Kazakhstani team, revealing that he does not have a get-out clause in his contract with the team for 2016 and hopes he will be allowed to rebuild the group of riders around him, suggesting the results will follow as a consequence.
“I don’t like being treated like a monster because I’m not,” Nibali said in the exclusive interview with La Gazzetta dello Sport.

“A lot of bad things have been said about me. I don’t know if it's because of jealousy or something… On the internet someone has even described what I did as one of the five worst things ever seen in cycling. Someone even wrote that I held onto a car at the Florence world championships after my crash. But that’s rubbish and there’s no proof of that.”

Nibali feels he has become an easy target for criticism.

“I’ve been hit on as if I’ve killed someone. That’s not the case. I made a mistake. That’s all,” he argued.

“I’ve got lots of friends in the peloton who I get on really well with. Perhaps some people have turned against me because of the team I ride for. Some people don’t like the Astana team, that can’t be denied. That’s also why I’m sure that the decision to throw me out of the race wasn’t taken just by the chief race judge. I might be wrong but surely such a big decision will have been approved by the UCI.”

Admitting there is a mutual mistrust:

Nibali is aware of the speculation and reports that he may leave Astana due to the tension and lack of trust following his difficult season. He appeared to fire a warning shot to team manager Alexander Vinokourov, who has criticised him in the past, and called on the Astana team to help him find some peace of mind by recreating the group of riders and staff that helped him win the 2014 Tour de France.

“The best solution will be to reach an agreement with Astana, “Nibali said.

“There’s no get out clause in my contract, which is valid for all of 2016, so the only way to end the contract would be via an agreement with the bosses at Kazakhstan cycling. But I think it’s in everyone interests to rebuild a good relationship. I need to find some peace of mind and so I need my group around me. I wasn’t the only one to make a mistake on Sunday. I’m not asking a lot. Shefer (the directeur sportif who was also disqualified for towing Nibali) has an important role in the team: he knows the importance of the two or three riders who haven’t raced with me recently.”

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/nibali-hits-back-at-critics-and-calls-on-astana-to-back-him/

Could anyone confirm this is correct translation.

 

[Angliru]

It's been said that one of the true tests of a man is how he handles adversity. Nibali minus his national championship and Tour stage win, has had a very disappointing season and the frustration he feels is obvious along with the immense pressure to make something positive out of what remains. I'm surprised to see how he is crumbling like this.

 

[HelloDolly]

Nibali's greatest sin is hubris.

He won the 2014 Tour de France by basically doing nothing all year and not being in shape till the last minute and then luckily for him the 2 favourites crashed out. This year he decided to do the same thing. But unfortunately for him the competition was better and other teams stronger , esp SKY. He knew pretty early on his tactic of last minute 'finding shape' was not going to cut it so he got frustrated and started getting all worked up , even throwing a bottle at Chris Froome. Since then he has been a man behind the curve desperately trying to catch
up and doing himself no favours with his 'victim' attitude. In fairness to Astana they let him have his head probably on the proviso he win the Tour but he hasn't delivered on a very risky strategy

If I were him I would take a week off ...get my head together and target the Worlds (he can ride cobbles) and Lombardi
If he won these two he could salvage his season
He is imo the best one day racer of the big 4 and better on cobbles than other GC contenders

 

[rick james]

What has he been saying about purito??

 

[Arredondo]

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What has he been saying about purito??

Nibali said it's a common thing in the peloton: holding onto a car the way he did it.

Purito said he didn't do anything like that in his career and that Nibali shouldn't be talking in name of him and other cyclists.

Nibali answered that Purito is a hypocrite, because of his answer.

 

[kirbygasm]

I see Vino is now complaining about other teams attacking after the crash. He's obviously forgotten about the time his team attacked in the Giro after Contador's mechanical!....

 

[cineteq]

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What has he been saying about purito??

Nibali said it's a common thing in the peloton: holding onto a car the way he did it.

Purito said he didn't do anything like that in his career and that Nibali shouldn't be talking in name of him and other cyclists.

Nibali answered that Purito is a hypocrite, because of his answer.

Did he say "everybody does it"? No. I wonder why did Purito take exception, hmmm...? Let's fugure out who's the drama queen here, Purito or you? Cheers

 

[Flamin]

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What has he been saying about purito??

Nibali said it's a common thing in the peloton: holding onto a car the way he did it.

Purito said he didn't do anything like that in his career and that Nibali shouldn't be talking in name of him and other cyclists.

Nibali answered that Purito is a hypocrite, because of his answer.

Source?

 

[huge]

Here is a translation of the article online, which is just part of the one on the newspaper.
Nibali called Gazzetta dello Sport yesterday afternoon.

"Ho letto quello che ha detto su di me Rodriguez e mi ha ferito – attacca il campione italiano -. Ci sono rimasto davvero male. Io non ho accusato lui, ma negare il fatto che attaccarsi alle auto per rientrare dopo una caduta o un incidente è un fatto comune è dire una bugia. È un’ipocrisia. Comunque io non avevo detto che è una consuetudine per cercare una scusa, per giustificarmi. Ho solo fatto una considerazione. È capitato di corridori che si sono attaccati come me alla borraccia, altri ai tergivetri. Per non farsi vedere c’è chi infila la mano persino sotto il parafango. Va bene, ho sbagliato e ho pagato. Però non mi sta bene essere trattato come se fossi un mostro, perché non lo sono. Mi pare che contro di me ci sia stata troppa cattiveria, non so se figlia dell’invidia o cosa. Su internet c’è persino chi ha messo il fatto come una delle cinque cose più brutte mai viste nel ciclismo. Ma dai!"

I've read what Rodriguez said about me and it hurts. I took it really badly. I didn't accuse him, but denying that being towed to get back after a crash is usual habit is a lie. That's hypocrisy. Anyway, I didn't say that's an habit to find excuses, to justify myself. I just made an observation. It happened of riders holding onto a bidon, like me, others to wipers. Some tuck their hand under the mudguards, in order not to be seen. True, I did a mistake, and I paid. But it is not fair to be treated like a monster. I'm not. I think there has been far to much spite against me. I don't know if that's because of jealousy or what. Online someone even put the episode among the five worst things ever seen in cycling. Oh, come on!

About his team

"Credo che la cosa migliore sia quella di trovare un accordo con l’Astana. Nel mio contratto, che vale anche per il 2016, non ci sono clausole rescissorie, quindi per la risoluzione consensuale del contratto dovrebbero essere d’accordo i grandi capi del ciclismo kazako. Però credo anche che l’interesse comune tra me e l’Astana sia quello di ricreare un rapporto sereno e di totale fiducia. Ho bisogno di ritrovare serenità, quindi ho bisogno di avere ancora vicino a me tutto il mio gruppo. L’errore di domenica non è stato solo mio".

I think that the best thing would be finding an agreement with Astana. My contract, valid for all 2016, doesn't have any opt-out clause, therefore approval of the Kazakh Cycling would be necessary. But I believe that it is in my and Astana best interest to build up again a relaxed relantionship and total trust. I need to find again peace of mind, and for that I need my own group around me. On Sunday I wasn't the only one doing a mistake.

 

[Carols]

Geez Vince, just zipper the lips you're only making the situation worse . Obviously he is hostage in Astana for one more season and is willing to 'repair' the relationship, so I hope that works out. Meanwhile he needs to stop reading all the rhetoric, cool off, and find some peace.

 

[cineteq]

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Geez Vince, just zipper the lips you're only making the situation worse . Obviously he is hostage in Astana for one more season and is willing to 'repair' the relationship, so I hope that works out. Meanwhile he needs to stop reading all the rhetoric, cool off, and find some peace.

Vincenzo is human, he's Italian, he has feelings...right or wrong, let him say whatever he wants, peace

 

[Arredondo]

I think it's just some of miscommunication between the two.

Spanish press asked Purito about what he thinks about the decision by the jury. He says it's a logical decision (what else can he say?).

Nibali says in the Italian Press get towed back by the car is a common thing in the pro peloton. Purito understands/reads it as everyone (including him) is doing the same thing Nibali did. He get's angry about that.

No big deal imo. They get allong very well. Just eat some ice cream and talk about it as big champions

 

[SafeBet]

There's no beef between the two. It's like Arredondo said. Nibbles better keep his mouth shut though.

 

[hrotha]

Nibbles, hon. Just... just shut up, will you.

 

[IndianCyclist]

Its the media that he is looking at. The more he reads and sees, the more he is reacting. The more he is putting his foot in his mouth. Its a downward spiral. His advisers, friends should just tell him to disconnect from the world for a month or 2. Maybe goto Etna and train alone. It will bring some much needed peace & quiet. All this hullabaloo will die down

 

[BigMac]

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Its the media that he is looking at. The more he reads and sees, the more he is reacting. The more he is putting his foot in his mouth. Its a downward spiral. His advisers, friends should just tell him to disconnect from the world for a month or 2. Maybe goto Etna and train alone. It will bring some much needed peace & quiet. All this hullabaloo will die down

To be fair to him, no one can just disconnect from the word while there are news about them and attacks on their image going on in the media, rightfully or not. Let the man speak.

 

[Beech Mtn]

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Words can't end a pro career. He just needs to train better than he did in the past year.

He does need to train better. But I also think he'd do well to be wiser with his words. I'm not so sure words couldn't eventually end a career. You don't want to make yourself expendable to sponsors and teams, but most dangerous of all - the big players like ASO and the UCI. You don't want to be on their radar as a trouble-maker.

What was it Lance told Floyd: don't cross those guys.

 

[Beech Mtn]

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First of all, he deserved to be thrown at. This is the first time he doesn't finish a GT in 14 attempts. A horrible season, probably the worst of his pro career.

Then his post on Facebook.
To begin with, it should be noted Nibali's italian is very bad. I'm not even sure he finished high school, so sometimes it's not easy to understand what he's trying to say, even for a native speaker like me.
With that in mind, I don't think his post was that bad. He doesn't complain about the lack of teammates. He mentions that other riders attacked while he was down, but then he clearly states: this is cycling, nobody waits, especially after a crash.

As for the interview, it's really bad. Blaming Ewan, a neo-pro with zero experience in a GT, was classless. Crashes happen all the time, and he probably wasn't even the one causing it. And then his words on Astana, a very clear message: I want out. The way I see it, both sides are to blame here. Vino's words after the first MTF in the TdF were unacceptable, but Nibbles beahviour from then on has been naive and childish. I believe he was forced to ride the Vuelta, but that's his job and he's very well paid to do it.

I don't see how he could ride any other race with Astana.

Thanks for this post. I, for one, do not speak Italian, and it's good to have an idea how accurate translations are or are not.