Teams & Riders Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

[Rollthedice]

Next races, Italian championships RR, Tour of Poland and Vuelta.

 

[Red Rick]

Froome caught, attack Aru.

 

[Rollthedice]

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Froome caught, attack Aru.

Good, though it's the wrong thread.

 

[Red Rick]

Had so many tabs open. Report me if I start yammering about the RG final later today

 

[Climbing]

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Next races, Italian championships RR, Tour of Poland and Vuelta.

I guess you’re referring to Slongo’s interview.
After Vuelta Italian races and Lombardia.
Next year early peak for Liegi and then Worlds is a clear target for end of the season.

All of this pending approval from the Team, but I guess that’s just being politically correct and Nibali/Slongo are quite free to choose their targets.

 

[bob.a.feet]

Nibali planning an attack on stage 3?

 

[Rollthedice]

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Nibali planning an attack on stage 3?

Ha, ha. Good point.

 

[bob.a.feet]

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Nibali planning an attack on stage 3?

Ha, ha. Good point.

In all seriousness though, I think Nibali is the big favourite for La Vuelta.

 

[Summoned]

I would love for Nibali to come back to the Vuelta and win it, but I can't see him as the favorite. Froome and Dumoulin seem stronger riders at this point, and even if Froome is coming off of a demanding Tour, I still think he is that much stronger than Nibali now. I think losing to Dumoulin and Quintana at the Giro is pretty solid indication of what is possible for him at this point in his career.

 

[Oliver]

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I would love for Nibali to come back to the Vuelta and win it, but I can't see him as the favorite. Froome and Dumoulin seem stronger riders at this point, and even if Froome is coming off of a demanding Tour, I still think he is that much stronger than Nibali now. I think losing to Dumoulin and Quintana at the Giro is pretty solid indication of what is possible for him at this point in his career.

Dumoulin won't target GC. Quintana's Tour shows us that he was pretty good @ Giro, not like we tought: "it's warming up for the Tour". We we'll see but I think the route won't favour him cuz it's more explossive.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Nah Dumoulin targets WC ITT. So no danger at all.

I think only Froome can challenge Nibali in the Vuelta. I don't see many other candidates.

 

[Gigs_98]

Why the hell does dumoulin not target gc. Imo he would be the clear favorite with nibali the only serious gc contender who didn't ride the tour. WC TT really is 't that big of a race to throw your gc ambitions for a gt away. Anyway, that means nibali has a good chance to win. Don't know about froome. He isn't that great in the tour and I doubt he will be much better in the 2nd gt in a row so I think nibali should be able to handle him

 

[bob.a.feet]

Froome will be too tired after the Tour and the next closest rival for Nibali would be Chaves.

 

[Valv.Piti]

You guys are seriously forgetting Chaves. He will be fresh and ready to go!

 

[PremierAndrew]

Personally I think Froome should be favourite for the Vuelta. He would have won last year if it wasn't for the major tactical lapse at Formigal, he'll have a stronger team this year at the Vuelta featuring a fully fresh Poels Stannard Kennaugh along with the likes of Thomas, and unlike previous years, he's clearly trying to peak in September, instead of peaking for the Tour and just trying his best in the Vuelta a month later

 

[bob.a.feet]

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You guys are seriously forgetting Chaves. He will be fresh and ready to go!

Looks like I snuck in my post just in time :lol:

 

[Brullnux]

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Personally I think Froome should be favourite for the Vuelta. He would have won last year if it wasn't for the major tactical lapse at Formigal, he'll have a stronger team this year at the Vuelta featuring a fully fresh Poels Stannard Kennaugh along with the likes of Thomas, and unlike previous years, he's clearly trying to peak in September, instead of peaking for the Tour and just trying his best in the Vuelta a month later

Is Thomas really going to a third GT? Is his mission to try and eventually finish one?

Anyway, how do we know Froome is peaking for September? It is just as possible that he is just not as good as he used to be.

 

[Gigs_98]

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You guys are seriously forgetting Chaves. He will be fresh and ready to go!

Yeah, forgot about him. He generally isn't that strong though, he also lost against Nibali in last years giro where Nibali had a total of two good days. Still he is ofc a dangerous man.

Personally I think Froome should be favourite for the Vuelta. He would have won last year if it wasn't for the major tactical lapse at Formigal, he'll have a stronger team this year at the Vuelta featuring a fully fresh Poels Stannard Kennaugh along with the likes of Thomas, and unlike previous years, he's clearly trying to peak in September, instead of peaking for the Tour and just trying his best in the Vuelta a month later

And Quintana was peaking for the tour 2017 and Contador for the tour 2015. And actually I think in these two cases Contador and Quintana had a bigger focus on the tour than Froome on the vuelta at least I doubt Sky was willing to let Froome make the Vuelta his biggest goal of the season.

 

[bob.a.feet]

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You guys are seriously forgetting Chaves. He will be fresh and ready to go!

Yeah, forgot about him. He generally isn't that strong though, he also lost against Nibali in last years giro where Nibali had a total of two good days. Still he is ofc a dangerous man.

Personally I think Froome should be favourite for the Vuelta. He would have won last year if it wasn't for the major tactical lapse at Formigal, he'll have a stronger team this year at the Vuelta featuring a fully fresh Poels Stannard Kennaugh along with the likes of Thomas, and unlike previous years, he's clearly trying to peak in September, instead of peaking for the Tour and just trying his best in the Vuelta a month later

And Quintana was peaking for the tour 2017 and Contador for the tour 2015. And actually I think in these two cases Contador and Quintana had a bigger focus on the tour than Froome on the vuelta at least I doubt Sky was willing to let Froome make the Vuelta his biggest goal of the season.

Peaking for a certain race after your main objective is easier said than done.

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Personally I think Froome should be favourite for the Vuelta. He would have won last year if it wasn't for the major tactical lapse at Formigal, he'll have a stronger team this year at the Vuelta featuring a fully fresh Poels Stannard Kennaugh along with the likes of Thomas, and unlike previous years, he's clearly trying to peak in September, instead of peaking for the Tour and just trying his best in the Vuelta a month later

Is Thomas really going to a third GT? Is his mission to try and eventually finish one?

Anyway, how do we know Froome is peaking for September? It is just as possible that he is just not as good as he used to be.

Well yes it is possible Froome is just declining, but he's certainly been worse earlier in the season with a view to being in better shape for the Vuelta than in previous years. Whether that approach will work or not is another question.

And with the 42km flat ITT this year along with relatively limited climbing by Vuelta standards, Nibali, Chaves and co will have to drop Froome in the mountains. And it's one thing for Froome to be unable to drop his rivals, it's another to get dropped himself

 

[portugal11]

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You guys are seriously forgetting Chaves. He will be fresh and ready to go!

Chaves won't be a threat at all. He is very vulnerable mentally. I don't think if he will ever be the same again. He is destroyed

 

[bob.a.feet]

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You guys are seriously forgetting Chaves. He will be fresh and ready to go!

Chaves won't be a threat at all. He is very vulnerable mentally. I don't think if he will ever be the same again. He is destroyed

How did you get to this conclusion?

 

[hrotha]

You guys are seriously forgetting Chaves. He will be fresh and ready to go!

Chaves won't be a threat at all. He is very vulnerable mentally. I don't think if he will ever be the same again. He is destroyed

Like, do you know anything about Chaves at all.

 

[portugal11]

I don't know chaves but his performance only suggest that he is very vulnerable at the moment and I also read an interview from someone inside Orica (I don't remember if it was White) and he said that the death of his former coach(?) affected chaves really bad.
Cycling is a very cruel sport and to have success in cycling, you have to be very strong mentally

 

[Rollthedice]

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Personally I think Froome should be favourite for the Vuelta. He would have won last year if it wasn't for the major tactical lapse at Formigal, he'll have a stronger team this year at the Vuelta featuring a fully fresh Poels Stannard Kennaugh along with the likes of Thomas, and unlike previous years, he's clearly trying to peak in September, instead of peaking for the Tour and just trying his best in the Vuelta a month later

Is Thomas really going to a third GT? Is his mission to try and eventually finish one?

Anyway, how do we know Froome is peaking for September? It is just as possible that he is just not as good as he used to be.

Well yes it is possible Froome is just declining, but he's certainly been worse earlier in the season with a view to being in better shape for the Vuelta than in previous years. Whether that approach will work or not is another question.

And with the 42km flat ITT this year along with relatively limited climbing by Vuelta standards, Nibali, Chaves and co will have to drop Froome in the mountains. And it's one thing for Froome to be unable to drop his rivals, it's another to get dropped himself

There are something like 50 GPMs and 9 MTFs including the mighty Angliru so I wouldn't say relatively limited climbing. But there is also a 13.8 km TTT in which again Froome has the edge. Lately Nibali doesn't like uni-climb stages and though he handles heat, he is likely better in bad weather. Furthermore his team is much weaker than anything Sky chooses to put around Froome. Maybe Aru will be there, this time with a strong team. Orica can throw in the Yates brothers plus Chaves who is having a training TdF right now. So, I wouldn't say Nibali is a favorite. He certainly goes there with the intention of winning but I will keep my expectations lower, a podium finish and hopefully a stage win which is missing from his palmares.