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Vincenzo Nibali

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craig1985 said:
This dude must have some good PR going on, or he really is clean as everybody says he is. If anybody has read the most recent Procycling Magazine article on him, how his coach (Paolo Slongo) said that he has "total faith", and that "he has always been on the straight and narrow", and his regime of performance-enhancing consisting of "bread and sausage" (Procycling, July 2010, page 101).

Apparently when everybody on Fassa Bortolo was going to Luigi Cecchini for "training advice", Nibali stayed well clear of Cecchini. The late Franco Ballerini was adamant that Nibali's clean and a 'man of his word'.

So have I reached the cynical stage where, thinking back to Bernie Kohl and thinking "bulls..." when I read comments about Nibali and apparently being Mr Clean? I won't judge him per se if he's touching the hot sauce, with the last week of the Giro as tough as it was, I think I would of needed something so I could ride every stage if I were just riding on my own.
 
craig1985 said:
This dude must have some good PR going on, or he really is clean as everybody says he is. If anybody has read the most recent Procycling Magazine article on him, how his coach (Paolo Slongo) said that he has "total faith", and that "he has always been on the straight and narrow", and his regime of performance-enhancing consisting of "bread and sausage" (Procycling, July 2010, page 101).

Apparently when everybody on Fassa Bortolo was going to Luigi Cecchini for "training advice", Nibali stayed well clear of Cecchini. The late Franco Ballerini was adamant that Nibali's clean and a 'man of his word'.

So have I reached the cynical stage where, thinking back to Bernie Kohl and thinking "bulls..." when I read comments about Nibali and apparently being Mr Clean? I won't judge him per se if he's touching the hot sauce, with the last week of the Giro as tough as it was, I think I would of needed something so I could ride every stage if I were just riding on my own.
I have never found Nibali a great champion, nor a doper. Nice ride on the cobbled section of the tour, otherwise, a cunning opportunist, and an unexciting rider.
 
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craig1985 said:
This dude must have some good PR going on, or he really is clean as everybody says he is. If anybody has read the most recent Procycling Magazine article on him, how his coach (Paolo Slongo) said that he has "total faith", and that "he has always been on the straight and narrow", and his regime of performance-enhancing consisting of "bread and sausage" (Procycling, July 2010, page 101).

Apparently when everybody on Fassa Bortolo was going to Luigi Cecchini for "training advice", Nibali stayed well clear of Cecchini. The late Franco Ballerini was adamant that Nibali's clean and a 'man of his word'.

So have I reached the cynical stage where, thinking back to Bernie Kohl and thinking "bulls..." when I read comments about Nibali and apparently being Mr Clean? I won't judge him per se if he's touching the hot sauce, with the last week of the Giro as tough as it was, I think I would of needed something so I could ride every stage if I were just riding on my own.
I have never found Nibali a great champion, nor a doper. Nice ride on the cobbled section of the tour, otherwise, a cunning opportunist, and an unexciting rider.

with his current Palmares, Nibs must be considered a one of the great GT riders of the current generation. Period.

so you think he's clean? :D wake up and smell the stench, it's all around you ;)
 
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craig1985 said:
This dude must have some good PR going on, or he really is clean as everybody says he is. If anybody has read the most recent Procycling Magazine article on him, how his coach (Paolo Slongo) said that he has "total faith", and that "he has always been on the straight and narrow", and his regime of performance-enhancing consisting of "bread and sausage" (Procycling, July 2010, page 101).

Apparently when everybody on Fassa Bortolo was going to Luigi Cecchini for "training advice", Nibali stayed well clear of Cecchini. The late Franco Ballerini was adamant that Nibali's clean and a 'man of his word'.

So have I reached the cynical stage where, thinking back to Bernie Kohl and thinking "bulls..." when I read comments about Nibali and apparently being Mr Clean? I won't judge him per se if he's touching the hot sauce, with the last week of the Giro as tough as it was, I think I would of needed something so I could ride every stage if I were just riding on my own.
I have never found Nibali a great champion, nor a doper. Nice ride on the cobbled section of the tour, otherwise, a cunning opportunist, and an unexciting rider.

cunning opportunists tend to be exciting racers
 
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This Charming Man said:
craig1985 said:
This dude must have some good PR going on, or he really is clean as everybody says he is. If anybody has read the most recent Procycling Magazine article on him, how his coach (Paolo Slongo) said that he has "total faith", and that "he has always been on the straight and narrow", and his regime of performance-enhancing consisting of "bread and sausage" (Procycling, July 2010, page 101).

Apparently when everybody on Fassa Bortolo was going to Luigi Cecchini for "training advice", Nibali stayed well clear of Cecchini. The late Franco Ballerini was adamant that Nibali's clean and a 'man of his word'.

So have I reached the cynical stage where, thinking back to Bernie Kohl and thinking "bulls..." when I read comments about Nibali and apparently being Mr Clean? I won't judge him per se if he's touching the hot sauce, with the last week of the Giro as tough as it was, I think I would of needed something so I could ride every stage if I were just riding on my own.
I have never found Nibali a great champion, nor a doper. Nice ride on the cobbled section of the tour, otherwise, a cunning opportunist, and an unexciting rider.

cunning opportunists tend to be exciting racers
very much so. he needs to beat froomie and pistelero, to be a great champion, in my book
 
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What does TSP whining about Nibali racing down the descent have to do with doping anyway?

Nothing. But TSP whining about Astana last year does. Most of his articles contain some doping reference.

I get a kick out of the TSP's mindset. Like this insightful comment, "Top honours go to the twit who tested positive for a drug 99% of the world has never heard of."

He's in a tizzy because some moron was popped. Not that the guy was loading up on dope.

Off topic. Sorry about that.
 
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I 95% believe in nibali for one very important reason alone. when as a junior and early u23 he went to north italy like anyone would to get pro. he was already a big talent and yet he choose for the small local team g.s. mastromarco. back in the 2000s and before, italian elite cycling was all about money, results and all sorts of doping. only in recent years have they got rid of many teams and structures that were full of doping.

however nibali could go to any of the big teams, that also pay alot, yet he choose for mastromarco team, a team with 100% clean reputation in a very dirty era. he was a pretty large talent with good results in u23, but not gigantic like some other riders (thomas dekker, brajkovic). yet when he became pro he became better and better.

take ulissi or ratto, monstrous junior talents already riding for a horrible team. doped to their eyeballs they came out of junior in pro immediately and ratto is gone for good, now he has to be clean and ulissi nowhere near what he used to be, at least has some talent. the mere opposite of nibali's trajectory. there are countless other examples as well from riders 1990 and older especially

another example to me is aru. he came from palazzago team, probably the team with the worst reputation in all of italy. they have reformed their ways but I don't trust aru one bit. last years giro was a 100% bloodbag imo. since cycling is now so clean the dopers can easily be traced, even if they are microdosing. but those few % make the difference. aru would've never won those final stages and finished on the podium without that.

there's a reason nibali dislikes aru and I'm sure it has to do with him not trusting aru either
 
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Ofc, Ratto's lack of success can also be tyrivuted to the fact that before he was receiving the creme de la creme of substances, now it's more of a level playing field as everyone else has the resources.
do you truly believe that?
 
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Brullnux said:
Ofc, Ratto's lack of success can also be tyrivuted to the fact that before he was receiving the creme de la creme of substances, now it's more of a level playing field as everyone else has the resources.
do you truly believe that?
I don't know what I believe when it comes to this, I don't know enough. I prefer to enjoy the cycling and just think that they may (very probably) be doping, but if one is doping then I doubt it's just him, frankly.
 
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Ryo Hazuki said:
I 95% believe in nibali for one very important reason alone. when as a junior and early u23 he went to north italy like anyone would to get pro. he was already a big talent and yet he choose for the small local team g.s. mastromarco. back in the 2000s and before, italian elite cycling was all about money, results and all sorts of doping. only in recent years have they got rid of many teams and structures that were full of doping.

however nibali could go to any of the big teams, that also pay alot, yet he choose for mastromarco team, a team with 100% clean reputation in a very dirty era. he was a pretty large talent with good results in u23, but not gigantic like some other riders (thomas dekker, brajkovic). yet when he became pro he became better and better.

take ulissi or ratto, monstrous junior talents already riding for a horrible team. doped to their eyeballs they came out of junior in pro immediately and ratto is gone for good, now he has to be clean and ulissi nowhere near what he used to be, at least has some talent. the mere opposite of nibali's trajectory. there are countless other examples as well from riders 1990 and older especially

another example to me is aru. he came from palazzago team, probably the team with the worst reputation in all of italy. they have reformed their ways but I don't trust aru one bit. last years giro was a 100% bloodbag imo. since cycling is now so clean the dopers can easily be traced, even if they are microdosing. but those few % make the difference. aru would've never won those final stages and finished on the podium without that.

there's a reason nibali dislikes aru and I'm sure it has to do with him not trusting aru either
Just to clarify, what do you mean when you say you believe in Nibali? Do you believe he's clean, or just that he's doping, but is a natural talent and would have been somewhere near the top of the sport if no-one was doping?

Because, ultimately, the teams that he rode for when he was a junior kind of pales into insignificance compared to the fact that he's been riding for, and leading, Liquigas and Astana for the past 10 years.
 
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I believe 95% he's clean. there are very few riders I could 100% tell you, but nibali is up there with the most trustworthy cyclists imo.

also liquigas wasn't a dirty team at all back around 2010. astana I'm sure is clean save some exceptions like aru, who may even work with ferrari.
 
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Ryo Hazuki said:
I believe 95% he's clean. there are very few riders I could 100% tell you, but nibali is up there with the most trustworthy cyclists imo.

also liquigas wasn't a dirty team at all back around 2010. astana I'm sure is clean save some exceptions like aru, who may even work with ferrari.

Get real.
 
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Ryo Hazuki said:
I believe 95% he's clean. there are very few riders I could 100% tell you, but nibali is up there with the most trustworthy cyclists imo.

also liquigas wasn't a dirty team at all back around 2010. astana I'm sure is clean save some exceptions like aru, who may even work with ferrari.

Yeah, and Hamiton swore on his dead dog's brother's soul. Or something like that. Was cleans. Honest. :rolleyes:
 
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Ryo Hazuki said:
I believe 95% he's clean. there are very few riders I could 100% tell you, but nibali is up there with the most trustworthy cyclists imo.

also liquigas wasn't a dirty team at all back around 2010. astana I'm sure is clean save some exceptions like aru, who may even work with ferrari.
Haven't you guaranteed people's cleanliness before only to have them test positive?
 
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craig1985 said:
This dude must have some good PR going on, or he really is clean as everybody says he is. If anybody has read the most recent Procycling Magazine article on him, how his coach (Paolo Slongo) said that he has "total faith", and that "he has always been on the straight and narrow", and his regime of performance-enhancing consisting of "bread and sausage" (Procycling, July 2010, page 101).

Apparently when everybody on Fassa Bortolo was going to Luigi Cecchini for "training advice", Nibali stayed well clear of Cecchini. The late Franco Ballerini was adamant that Nibali's clean and a 'man of his word'.

So have I reached the cynical stage where, thinking back to Bernie Kohl and thinking "bulls..." when I read comments about Nibali and apparently being Mr Clean? I won't judge him per se if he's touching the hot sauce, with the last week of the Giro as tough as it was, I think I would of needed something so I could ride every stage if I were just riding on my own.
I have never found Nibali a great champion, nor a doper. Nice ride on the cobbled section of the tour, otherwise, a cunning opportunist, and an unexciting rider.

If Nibali were that cunning, he wouldn't make as many attacks that end up being counterproductive as he does, and he almost certainly would have L-B-L on his palmares by now. He's too exciting for his own good. (Good username though.)

Ryo Hazuki said:
I believe 95% he's clean. there are very few riders I could 100% tell you, but nibali is up there with the most trustworthy cyclists imo.

also liquigas wasn't a dirty team at all back around 2010. astana I'm sure is clean save some exceptions like aru, who may even work with ferrari.


While I disagree with this, it did make me wonder if Ferrari was really still about. He's in retirement (as the quote goes), isn't he?
 
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Ryo Hazuki said:
I believe 95% he's clean. there are very few riders I could 100% tell you, but nibali is up there with the most trustworthy cyclists imo.

also liquigas wasn't a dirty team at all back around 2010. astana I'm sure is clean save some exceptions like aru, who may even work with ferrari.

Yeah, and Hamiton swore on his dead dog's brother's soul. Or something like that. Was cleans. Honest. :rolleyes:
No, Hamilton swore on his still living dog. I remember because he was in a Swiss team when the alleged positive occurred (Phonak Hearing Systems).
 
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Ryo Hazuki said:
I 95% believe in nibali for one very important reason alone. when as a junior and early u23 he went to north italy like anyone would to get pro. he was already a big talent and yet he choose for the small local team g.s. mastromarco. back in the 2000s and before, italian elite cycling was all about money, results and all sorts of doping. only in recent years have they got rid of many teams and structures that were full of doping.

This might be good reason to think he was clean as an amateur, but his and Aru's miracle comebacks late and grand tours are very similar. And with Martinelli in charge....
 
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Ryo Hazuki said:
I 95% believe in nibali for one very important reason alone. when as a junior and early u23 he went to north italy like anyone would to get pro. he was already a big talent and yet he choose for the small local team g.s. mastromarco. back in the 2000s and before, italian elite cycling was all about money, results and all sorts of doping. only in recent years have they got rid of many teams and structures that were full of doping.

I don't think 95% Feel that way about him now, especially after what's happened with his team getting popped and almost losing their license.

I didn't think he was awesome, I thought he was lucky. ALL the top riders were out when he won his Tour, he was able to win because of that.
 
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Ryo Hazuki said:
I believe 95% he's clean. there are very few riders I could 100% tell you, but nibali is up there with the most trustworthy cyclists imo.

also liquigas wasn't a dirty team at all back around 2010. astana I'm sure is clean save some exceptions like aru, who may even work with ferrari.

May I ask: what on earth makes you sure that Astana is clean?

There's flying under the radar and there's not giving a sh*t at all about appearances. I put Astana firmly in the latter category, and kudos for that. But I don't know how it would even be possible to think of them as clean as some kind of philosophical thought experiment.
 
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Ryo Hazuki said:
I believe 95% he's clean. there are very few riders I could 100% tell you, but nibali is up there with the most trustworthy cyclists imo.

also liquigas wasn't a dirty team at all back around 2010. astana I'm sure is clean save some exceptions like aru, who may even work with ferrari.

Yeah, and Hamiton swore on his dead dog's brother's soul. Or something like that. Was cleans. Honest. :rolleyes:
what does that have to do with it? where do I bring in someone swearing on their dog or family? :rolleyes:
 
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Ryo Hazuki said:
I believe 95% he's clean. there are very few riders I could 100% tell you, but nibali is up there with the most trustworthy cyclists imo.

also liquigas wasn't a dirty team at all back around 2010. astana I'm sure is clean save some exceptions like aru, who may even work with ferrari.
Haven't you guaranteed people's cleanliness before only to have them test positive?
where do I guarantee nibali is clean? reading is hard, isn't it? :eek:
 
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Liquigas ... Di Luca winning the Giro ... Pellizotti finally getting the recovery of a top tier gt rider ... Basso realizing his second spring ... clean ... yeah!
you have to be blind not to see how much worse basso was there compared to before his suspension :rolleyes: