Vino bought the 2010 LBL?

[Panda Claws]

Good analogy but we're not talking bunch sprints here.

I know, just wanted to drive the point home.

 

[El Pistolero]

Watch? I guess that's where the difference of our views come from. My views, however flawed they might be, come from years of racing for a pay cheque. It was never big but enough to get by (just). Yours, on the other hand, come from watching the action from the comfort of your couch. This, by the way, doesn't make either of us more right or wrong but we're surely see things differently and judging by the number of your posts, care about being right all the time differently as well

That's your problem, you think cycling at a professional level is the same as cycling on your "amateur" level. I can imagine corruption being a little big higher there. After all, I did grow up with Kermis koersen. So I do know the Kermis scene rather well, I know the doping stories there, I know the bribe stories, etc

While all those things exist in professional cycling, it's still different than a kermis koerske.

 

[OJ....]

That's your problem, you think cycling at a professional level is the same as cycling on your "amateur" level. I can imagine corruption being a little big higher there. After all, I did grow up with Kermis koersen. So I do know the Kermis scene rather well, I know the doping stories there, I know the bribe stories, etc

While all those things exist in professional cycling, it's still different than a kermis koerske.

I think this is cycling's problem. Different set of perceived values and application of rules, but the rules and the idea of the sport are the same. It's bit crooked.

LBL doesn't have an uphill finish

Really!? You're either pretty strong cyclist or from very hilly area as the last 1,5 km passes as a decent hill in many parts of this planet.

 

[CobbleStoner]

Watch? I guess that's where the difference of our views come from. My views, however flawed they might be, come from years of racing for a pay cheque. It was never big but enough to get by (just). Yours, on the other hand, come from watching the action from the comfort of your couch. This, by the way, doesn't make either of us more right or wrong but we're surely see things differently and judging by the number of your posts, care about being right all the time differently as well

very well said,
and this is all part of what makes cycling a great, complicated, misunderstood, epically human sport. love it or leave it, but stop trying to change it

 

[killswitch]

Don't know where to post it, so ...

Vino's manifesto

I've established myself as a successful athlete. I'm now an athlete with a worldwide reputation and recognition. But my career, as a professional racer, is coming to its end little by little. And I'm already building my new career: I'm a candidate for deputy and the future leader of the " Astana Team".
Of course there are opposition, rivals, and just banal envious. But I know full well that there ...is no way to do without them!
All these scandalous articles about me are a put-up job,otherwise some tabloids or individual journalists want only make their "PR" using the name of a famous person.
All the famous and successful persons, whether in sports, in politics or in business are figuring, from time to time, in the "yellow" articles. This is a part of their lives, pay for success. In my view it's not fair, but there is a perception in the community: if you are not in the "yellow press" - it means you do not succeed.
Regarding to me, I think - that kind of lying, scandalous articles about me will continue to be. But they won't stop me. I'll go ahead and reach new heights.
I would like my fans, the fans of cycling, my friends, colleagues and acquaintances to treat with understanding the various rumors and false articles about me.
I'm mentally prepared for any attacks and provocations from the part of the ill-wishers; and my lawyer are ready to repel them.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Alexandre-Vinokourov/374951987462?v=wall

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Don't know where to post it, so ...

Vino's manifesto

I've established myself as a successful athlete. I'm now an athlete with a worldwide reputation and recognition. But my career, as a professional racer, is coming to its end little by little. And I'm already building my new career: I'm a candidate for deputy and the future leader of the " Astana Team".
Of course there are opposition, rivals, and just banal envious. But I know full well that there ...is no way to do without them!
All these scandalous articles about me are a put-up job,otherwise some tabloids or individual journalists want only make their "PR" using the name of a famous person.
All the famous and successful persons, whether in sports, in politics or in business are figuring, from time to time, in the "yellow" articles. This is a part of their lives, pay for success. In my view it's not fair, but there is a perception in the community: if you are not in the "yellow press" - it means you do not succeed.
Regarding to me, I think - that kind of lying, scandalous articles about me will continue to be. But they won't stop me. I'll go ahead and reach new heights.
I would like my fans, the fans of cycling, my friends, colleagues and acquaintances to treat with understanding the various rumors and false articles about me.
I'm mentally prepared for any attacks and provocations from the part of the ill-wishers; and my lawyer are ready to repel them.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Alexandre-Vinokourov/374951987462?v=wall

wow! .he could turn out to be a great politician

 

[VeloCity]

but stop trying to change it

So you'd have no problem with say Contador paying off Schleck and Evans to let him win the Tour? How would that be any different from Vino paying Kolobnev to let him win LBL?

 

[jens_attacks]

illustre didn't published more yet so there might be a problem there.some good lawyers can't lose this,it's just too easy.
but yeah vino has some pretty strong enemies at home that's for sure.i hope he will squash those cockroaches

 

[BroDeal]

So you'd have no problem with say Contador paying off Schleck and Evans to let him win the Tour? How would that be any different from Vino paying Kolobnev to let him win LBL?

Contador doesn't have to pay those two. Evans is not good enough to beat an uninjured Contador, and Schleck is weak in the head.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

wow! .he could turn out to be a great politician

Can see it now, Vinokourov president, cycling legend and a hell of a guy

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Contador doesn't have to pay those two. Evans is not good enough to beat Contador, and Schleck is weak in the head.

not good enough anyways

 

[rgmerk]

Apropos of this this discussion, thisin my local paper today:

SENIOR police will warn Australia's elite sporting bodies today that they are at risk of being infiltrated by organised gambling networks unless administrators take aggressive action to protect their codes.

The warning will be delivered at a forum in Melbourne involving international crime experts and representatives of Australia's leading sports.

...
Several police investigations have revealed crime identities using their personal relationships within sport to glean inside information in order to punt large amounts - usually to launder drug money.

Last month the Australian Crime Commission released a report that said some sporting bodies "lack a comprehensive understanding of the capabilities and impact organised criminal groups can have on their sector''.

 

[ferryman]

not good enough anyways

Not yet no.

 

[The Hitch]

Someone bring back the Vino twitter account. The one Vino had closed (was a real **** in doing so as it helped rather than hindered his reputation)

Would love to see what would be said about this after these gems.

April 15: Vino on Twitter. You will follow me.
April 16: Vino is ready at the Ardennes. My legs as strong as Kazakh steel.
May 9: No Giro for Vino this year, route too easy.
June 5: Vino Tweet from Dauphine. Prologue done - easy. Heart rate stay low. I crush them in the mountains.
June 8: Today Grenoble will crumble under Kazakh thunder. I never heard of this Wiggons guy you talk of. Vino crush him.
June 8: Vino love the rain. Vino love the cold. Vino love the hot. Vino not feel the difference

 

[CobbleStoner]

So you'd have no problem with say Contador paying off Schleck and Evans to let him win the Tour? How would that be any different from Vino paying Kolobnev to let him win LBL?

you are misunderstanding what happened/happens in bike racing, (made even more apparent by your analogy)
Vino did not pay Kolb to let him win, he paid him to work like a teammate in the final kilos once they had a small gap.
that happens in racing.
that is not even close to the tour favorite paying off his closest 2 rivals to win a 3 week race, regardless of what is going on in any stage. your premise makes no sense.

 

[El Pistolero]

you are misunderstanding what happened/happens in bike racing, (made even more apparent by your analogy)
Vino did not pay Kolb to let him win, he paid him to work like a teammate in the final kilos once they had a small gap.
that happens in racing.
that is not even close to the tour favorite paying off his closest 2 rivals to win a 3 week race, regardless of what is going on in any stage. your premise makes no sense.

Why would Kolobnev worry about having his balls cut off then?

 

[pmcg76]

Just wanted to add this for all the naive people who believe races are not bought or sold.

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/results/2001/jun01/jun22news.php

Pascal Richard, pretty decent rider in the 90s, won a good few races including Lombardy, Romandy, L-B-L!!!

 

[El Imbatido]

This should clear a few things up:

 

[ak-zaaf]

This should clear a few things up:

He already admitted he put 100k in Kolobnev's account. He just said it was a loan.

Still don't see the problem in buying a race when you're in the lead with 1 other guy though. Happens all the time.

 

[Arnout]

At age 36 (?) and after coming back from suspension, he beat the whole peloton except one, and he is determined enough to spend 100,000 for that win. You have to love the guy

 

[Fetisoff]

This should clear a few things up:

 

[profff]

the padova attorney roberti, while investigating on lance and ferrari and the money laundry found emails and bank transfers that finally confirms that vino paid 150.000 euro to kolobnev for the win.
the act have been transmissed to the liege attorney and to uci,

http://www.corriere.it/sport/12_nov...to_3b8a611a-2583-11e2-a01c-141eb51207fd.shtml

 

[Poursuivant]

He already admitted he put 100k in Kolobnev's account. He just said it was a loan.

Still don't see the problem in buying a race when you're in the lead with 1 other guy though. Happens all the time.

Well if it happens all the time it must be ok.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Well if it happens all the time it must be ok.

well it happens all the time then why now make a fuss about it all of a sudden

and ye sit is ok. he doesn't buy the race. he simply covers the expenses of the guy losing

 

[webvan]

I think someone posted a Freddy Martens interview at some point that summed it up well...better to go home to the wife and kids with something to show for the week-end away.

So does anyone think Vino bought the Olympics ?